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AlHazin
AlHazin


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posted August 28, 2017 03:46 PM

NoobX et caetera

NoobX said:
There is no afterlife.


I've got to know, can we work it out, if we scream and shout, till we work it out?
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NoobX
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posted August 28, 2017 03:56 PM

Is there any hard scientific proof of its existence?
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AlHazin
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posted August 28, 2017 04:01 PM

Arcade Fire - Afterlife.

Of course I'm trolling, Noob
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Kipshasz
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posted August 28, 2017 04:13 PM

You will go to the afterlife only if you see a tunnel at the end of the light.
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NoobX
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posted August 28, 2017 04:31 PM

This is no joking matter.
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Maurice
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posted August 28, 2017 05:00 PM

NoobX said:
Is there any hard scientific proof of its existence?


Or of its abscence? Know that abscence of evidence is no evidence of abscence!
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NoobX
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posted August 28, 2017 06:53 PM

It's the same as saying that just because there is no proof that unicorns don't exist, we should keep believing in the possibility that they do.
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Lord_Woock
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posted August 28, 2017 08:39 PM

So I've been trying to observe this tiny teapot that's orbiting the sun, but I just can't seem to find it. I know it's there though.

Do any of you have any pointers?
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Galaad
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posted August 28, 2017 08:47 PM

NoobX said:
It's the same as saying that just because there is no proof that unicorns don't exist, we should keep believing in the possibility that they do.


Unicorns do exist, I saw them at Fred's.
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artu
artu


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posted August 28, 2017 09:07 PM

Maurice said:
NoobX said:
Is there any hard scientific proof of its existence?


Or of its abscence? Know that abscence of evidence is no evidence of abscence!

It's not just absence of evidence. Eveything we know about consciousness overwhelmingly indicates it is nothing other than a neurological process, also, the evolution of consciesness suggests that there wouldn't be a point in this progress where biochemistry evolved into a soul, if consciousness is something that developed gradually (and observing various brains from the animal kingdom clearly demonstrates it did), then it is extremely out of place to suggest that at some point some of the species had a metaphysical attachment to this. That's wishful thinking to the point of absurd.

There is absence of evidence for the multi-verse theory or string theory, yet these are rational, probable estimations, where as after-life is magical in the most literal meaning of the word. Absence of evidence not indicating evidence of absence does not grant each assumption equality in plausibility. Given what we know about life, after-life is implausible to a point where taking it seriously is impossible in practicality. I wish it wasnt so, death sucks. But it is.
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Salamandre
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posted August 28, 2017 09:21 PM

artu said:
Absence of evidence not indicating evidence of absence does not grant each assumption equality in plausibility.




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AlHazin
AlHazin


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posted August 28, 2017 09:26 PM

Yeah, immense turnures of sentences to foreverly seal people's brain, a sentence with so much sense, that you can't understand it.

Death is the road to awe.
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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted August 28, 2017 09:29 PM

It is a pretty simple sentence, dude. Sorry to hear it's giving you a hard time. Keep waiting for that bounty.
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OhforfSake
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posted August 28, 2017 09:37 PM

Well string theory is mathematics, so if someone put up a mathematical formula for an undefined qualia called consciousness which allows for it to exist after the body is no more, would it make the idea of an afterlife more reasonable despite no evidence been presented?

Also does the mathematics have to be very complex so it's not something the general population would understand, or can it be so simple that even small children can understand it, for the assumption to be reasonable?

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AlHazin
AlHazin


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posted August 28, 2017 09:38 PM

And further trying to push things to their edge, you sure look like something.

Not only I'll wait for it but I'll get it as well.
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Salamandre
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posted August 28, 2017 09:43 PM

artu said:
It is a pretty simple sentence,


I shall not argue against it from the supposed impossibility of infinite succession, barely and absolutely considered in itself; for a reason which shall be mentioned hereafter: but if we consider such an infinite progression, as one entire endless series of beings can have no cause from without, of its existence; because in it are supposed to be included all things that are or ever were in the universe; because no one being in this infinite succession is supposed to be self-existent or necessary (which is the only ground or reason of existence of any thing, that can be imagined within the thing itself, as with presently more fully appear), but every one dependent on the foregoing: and where no part is necessary; ’tis manifest the whole cannot be necessary; absolute necessity of existence, not being an outward, relative, and accidental determination; but an inward and essential property of the nature of the thing which so exists.


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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted August 28, 2017 09:51 PM

OhforfSake said:
Well string theory is mathematics, so if someone put up a mathematical formula for an undefined qualia called consciousness which allows for it to exist after the body is no more, would it make the idea of an afterlife more reasonable despite no evidence been presented?

Also does the mathematics have to be very complex so it's not something the general population would understand, or can it be so simple that even small children can understand it, for the assumption to be reasonable?

It is mathematics speculating on a sub-atomic level because at that scope observation is flawed. But it is still mathematics speculating about physics, not magic and it is still hypothetically falsifiable. Consciousness on the other hand is not something that is observed on a sub-atomic level and there already is a solid explanation of how it came into existance. You are suggesting something like having mathematical speculations about iron anvils flying around and telling jokes at each other.

@Sal
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OhforfSake
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posted August 28, 2017 10:00 PM

But both "theories" have the problem of not being falsifiable yet.

Yes maybe one day string theory is testable, but maybe one day we actually understand the mechanics of consciousness very well, and then both ideas becomes falsifiable.

Btw. my own opinion is that the difference is that string theory derives from ideas based on quantities and processes we know exists, and it aims to describe reality as we see it.
While the after life as described in the bible is very outdated, and is almost independent of observation.
Though I admit that I know very little about both subjects.

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artu
artu


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posted August 28, 2017 10:07 PM
Edited by artu at 22:08, 28 Aug 2017.

One is not falsifiable due to technical limitations but the other is categorically unfalsifiable. And when I said one is magical when the other is not, this was about the difference you mention with slightly different words. But it doesnt have to be about Biblical beliefs specifically, belief in an after-life is much older than monotheism, one of the earliest types of religion is actually worshipping the souls of the ancestors.
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OhforfSake
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posted August 28, 2017 10:19 PM

Well if I'm not mistaken you claim string theory is ultimately falsifiable, while afterlife is not.

I suggest that it might be the other way around, imagine this:
The basis of string theory are infinite long strings than are infinitely thin, due to restrictions arising due to quantum mechanics, it is actually not possible to ever measure a string.

On the same time mathematical models evolve to explain the possible future observations predicted by string theory and tested to be accurate by means of other quantities, measurable or not.

On the other hand we somehow gain as accurate knowledge about consciousness as possible and are able to manipulate and track every variable unhindered, making us able to answer any testable question about consciousness.

In my opinion that would be circumstances of the opposite of what I understood to be your claim.
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