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artu
artu


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posted March 30, 2018 07:01 AM

Lol, that movie was such a brilliant idea and it was executed really well. It was an equally terrible idea to have sequels though. Some plots arent meant to have sequels, no matter how much cash they make.
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Salamandre
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posted March 30, 2018 08:53 AM

tSar-Ivor said:

I mean just look at Jordan Peterson's interview at the BBC. Have to fight tooth and nail and be attacked by a total nimrod every step of the way, there's simply no reason unless you really want to go down that path, and frankly I don't see why anyone would. Kudos to him for the attempt, but there's quite really nothing to gain the intelligencia aren't leaders, their valuable tools to lean on if the powers that be weren't ruled by aberration that is the love child of democracy and corruption.


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posted March 30, 2018 11:01 AM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 11:02, 30 Mar 2018.

What the snow?!

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Gender

If you are transgender (live as a different gender to that shown on your birth certificate), or if you have changed or are in the process of changing your gender visit https://www.gov.uk/changing-passport-information/changing-your-gender for further guidance.



Renewing my passport and there's no transgender option, omg this is it...ima start my own crusade and hammer a group of people to get this fixed, then use these peons as my starting warband then establish a base of operations. Kinda like how Hitler used the lefty Brown shirts then had them all massacred once he got in bed with the army, baby steps.

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artu
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posted March 30, 2018 03:33 PM
Edited by artu at 15:34, 30 Mar 2018.

I checked the guy out, Jordan Peterson, he certainly has valid objections here and there but also  superficial reductionisms, I mean, the lobster... You can justify any set of norms with that level of  “evolutionary” origins, including Sharia. He is smart enough not to just know it, but to manipulate it. Hence, the chess metaphor.

1- Unlike what he implies, nobody reasonable claims biological sex and gender identity are isolated. People point out, gender roles are not binary, most of what had been presumed biological, had turned out to be sociological indeed. (Anybody can dig a little history and read how people rationalized why women were not fit to be on stage, by their nature.) So, it’s not about neo-marxism, whatever that neo- means, fighting the fight against nature.

2- Claiming “ the market” determines everything, so there can be no gender discrimination on such a pragmatic platform, as if the market is a tool absolutely immune to ideological tendencies, social traditions, its very own history is just dull.

3- This one’s especially to Sal, not Tsar. Please listen to Jordan Peterson or whoever when he is confronted by someone who can ask questions, not in front of a moron such as Tucker Carlson who will only pamper his own populist idiocracy.

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Salamandre
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posted March 30, 2018 07:31 PM

Don't even bother, when you, artu, call someone moron, populist, racist or xenophobic, it should be considered as a medal in my view. Beside, I find Peterson to be very limp on critical matters as immigration, welfare, "tolerance" and politics, I agree with him only on the gender thing and on Trudeau being an sissy.

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artu
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posted March 30, 2018 07:40 PM

I’d bother, brother.
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Tsar-ivor
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posted March 31, 2018 11:44 AM
Edited by Tsar-ivor at 12:23, 31 Mar 2018.

Artu my friend, genders are binary and gender roles are socially constructed (whether knowingly or unkowingly). Peterson argued against the Far Left approach that goes 'okay if it's artificial then we can demolish it or change it as they please'. It's a nonsensical chaos, I'm all for critical rethinking and reconstruction of genders and roles, but it has to be done right (the methodology not the goal). The objective has to be clear.
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artu
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posted March 31, 2018 01:03 PM

We're okay there, but I think when it comes to the link between gender roles and biological traits, he is overwhelmingly diminishing the role of social construct aspect, especially about women. His kind of arguments are used by hojas here to justify the sexism of Islam. Also he has no clue about Marxism and calls things "Neo-Marxist" when they are not. He says minority movements are Marxist because they act on group identity, where as Marxism is not about group identity, it is about "strength in unity." According to Marxism, the oppressed classes have only one advantage: Numbers. Simply think of going on a strike, it can only work if all workers do it. Identity politics is considered a divisive distraction in Marxism. Another problematic thing with him is he talks about "the rules of the game" as in free market's determining things as if the market is a completely neutral zone, stripped of all ideological tendencies which, since you studied politics you pretty well know, is far from true.
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 12:48 AM

I don't know even why they discuss that. Let people claim whatever gender they like to be, but tell them to fack off if they try to force upon you to call special pronouns or have special status. Life is already enough stressing to add some "other dimension" where you have to guess someone's mental disorder then adapt and be artificially kind before they earned it. I don't care if someone calls me a woman, why would you.

Also the gender theory is a feminist "theory", you talk about like it is stone written. The genders are majorly a biological construct, men and females are very different, biologically speaking in first place, we don't know yet what tiny part is social, also a lot of recent studies tend to contradict any social part. I mean, during thousands of years, all societies on this earth, from different continents, different cultures, most of times without any connection each other, still opted for same and same pattern over and over, without a single exception.
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artu
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posted April 01, 2018 08:13 AM
Edited by artu at 08:22, 01 Apr 2018.

I dont know where you read that but it's not true. There are even some matriarchal societies, especially much more common before the invention of property. With property comes inheritance and then, things really change because they want to know who the father of a child is, (you always know the mother), notice how even the etymology of the word patriarchy means "rule of the father" not rule of the man, obviously we dont have that kind of issue anymore with DNA tests, birth control, condoms and sex education, hence, things started to change so fast again. When examined, hunter-gaherer societies are much more egalitarian about genders roles and everybody participates in all kinds of work and fun compared to agricultural ones. Yes, there are biological and neurological differences between the sexes, nobody claims there are none at all but gender roles are mostly a social construct and the differences are not about women being more passive than men or something similar.
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posted April 01, 2018 08:46 AM

So wth are people arguing about then, if it's not about the obvious that anyone centered in reality and with half a brain would know? Why even discuss something so elementary in the first place? What purpose does it serve?

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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 01:30 PM

Nope, some past societies being clearly matriarchal is a myth, all serious anthropologists agree on that. Gender roles indeed were more balanced before the agrarian society, but once the mechanical tools became dangerous and heavy, that was the end of it.

The gender role is a tricky claim, such thing obviously exist, but in my view it is biologically driven, not else. Men went to war to protect the land and the community not driven by some burdening cultural conventions but because they only are effective into succeeding at that. The same pattern is applied to age, some would say your age is a social construct because the society clearly sees and threats you very different, had you 20 or 60 years, then it assigns you specific roles and even discriminates you. Yet is the only way it has to assure optimal survival, by allowing more chances, opportunities and hope to young generation. I don't say that everything went smooth and great, there is always room for "critical thinking" as you say, but when I hear you guys claiming gender roles should be entirely "rethink and reconstructed", I wonder who will take responsibility for that and for what purpose. We survived until now and not so bad - there is more to be proud of than ashamed, and placing humanity future on a dice roll on so important matters sounds to me extremely irresponsible. And arrogant.

Also I have one question: do you believe that women can, intellectually speaking, do every thing that men did? This is very important to think at, before anything else. And I am not implying they can't, just placing the debate where it has to start.
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Galaad
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posted April 01, 2018 01:39 PM

Salamandre said:
just placing the debate where it has to start.


In the VW?
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 02:04 PM

Exactly, and I profit from this thread volatility to ask a survival question to you, Galaad: wtf is the "identifiant wi-fi", I bought finally a mobile phone but I can't connect to internet because every login/pass (which I used before) I type is "unknown".

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Galaad
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posted April 01, 2018 02:09 PM

Not sure I understand you, you need to connect to the same network you use to reach the internet from your computer. You tried doing this and it didn't work?
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posted April 01, 2018 02:17 PM

Salamandre said:
Also I have one question: do you believe that women can, intellectually speaking, do every thing that men did?


Yes. Would anyone seriously argue about that?
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 02:17 PM

The thing is, from home I connect automatically, don't need to enter any credentials. but phone asks me for "wi-fi credentials" so no clue what that means. All my credentials accessing free.fr, as for email, client space, are not working on phone. Also is Sunday so no assistance, will have to wait.

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Galaad
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posted April 01, 2018 02:21 PM
Edited by Galaad at 14:23, 01 Apr 2018.

From your computer, hit the wifi symbol and it will show the name of your home network. This is the one you need to select from the phone. As for your password, I hope you remember it. Are you sure about no assistance on Sunday? I think it's 24/7 but I could be wrong.

Edit: If you didn't set up the password yourself, it should be written on your box, something with a hundred characters.
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 02:28 PM

Galaad said:
I think it's 24/7 but I could be wrong.


thanks, you were right, now going to annoy some operator and destroy his sunday

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bloodsucker
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posted April 01, 2018 03:08 PM

Here you need a password to access your own wi-fi and it is written somewhere on your router. I guess its what it's asking for...

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