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Galaad
Galaad

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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted April 01, 2018 01:39 PM

Salamandre said:
just placing the debate where it has to start.


In the VW?
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 02:04 PM

Exactly, and I profit from this thread volatility to ask a survival question to you, Galaad: wtf is the "identifiant wi-fi", I bought finally a mobile phone but I can't connect to internet because every login/pass (which I used before) I type is "unknown".

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted April 01, 2018 02:09 PM

Not sure I understand you, you need to connect to the same network you use to reach the internet from your computer. You tried doing this and it didn't work?
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posted April 01, 2018 02:17 PM

Salamandre said:
Also I have one question: do you believe that women can, intellectually speaking, do every thing that men did?


Yes. Would anyone seriously argue about that?
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 02:17 PM

The thing is, from home I connect automatically, don't need to enter any credentials. but phone asks me for "wi-fi credentials" so no clue what that means. All my credentials accessing free.fr, as for email, client space, are not working on phone. Also is Sunday so no assistance, will have to wait.

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted April 01, 2018 02:21 PM
Edited by Galaad at 14:23, 01 Apr 2018.

From your computer, hit the wifi symbol and it will show the name of your home network. This is the one you need to select from the phone. As for your password, I hope you remember it. Are you sure about no assistance on Sunday? I think it's 24/7 but I could be wrong.

Edit: If you didn't set up the password yourself, it should be written on your box, something with a hundred characters.
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 02:28 PM

Galaad said:
I think it's 24/7 but I could be wrong.


thanks, you were right, now going to annoy some operator and destroy his sunday

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bloodsucker
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posted April 01, 2018 03:08 PM

Here you need a password to access your own wi-fi and it is written somewhere on your router. I guess its what it's asking for...

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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 03:42 PM

Got it, it was a 36 symbols credential lol.

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Galaad
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posted April 01, 2018 03:52 PM

Good, now get Creature Quest and join HC guild
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 04:04 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 16:05, 01 Apr 2018.

Umm, moment, Coco. Spent last 15 minutes to find how to get past my first screen. Those precious things are ridiculously small and slow to react.

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artu
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posted April 01, 2018 04:26 PM
Edited by artu at 16:34, 01 Apr 2018.

@Sal

1- I clearly remember reading about pre agricultural matriarchal examples, so it is not a myth. It is not common yes, but it existed. Hence, I said "even some existed." I am at the airport now, so no research link  will be possible.
2- Intellectually, women are not less capable than men, their intellect is not identical but that is something else. They will be better at some things and we will be better at other things if you take things on a task specific base. So your question is kind of like asking can Beethoven compose everything Mozart can, he doesnt have to and the system shouldnt be set up only according to Mozart's or Beethoven's skills.
3- Btw, what is your point, that patriarchy is justifable because it's biological, 75.000 years of pre-agriculture without patriarchy and 10.000 years make it biological? No, most of it is indeed sociological and that is not a debate, it has been documanted by comparing cultures of all sort.
4- 300 years ago, arguments similar to yours were presented to justify slavery, it had existed in almost all cultures (again not before property), it had always been around, etc etc... Things progress, the physical brawn you have over women is very insignificant today in almost any situation, so it's pointless to make it a cause for social significance.
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Galaad
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posted April 01, 2018 04:44 PM

@Artu

Give Sal a sec so he gets around how his phone works, it might take a while.

Besides, wasn't OSM content banned in the VW a long time ago?
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 06:21 PM

artu said:

2- Intellectually, women are not less capable than men, their intellect is not identical but that is something else. They will be better at some things and we will be better at other things if you take things on a task specific base. So your question is kind of like asking can Beethoven compose everything Mozart can, he doesnt have to and the system shouldnt be set up only according to Mozart's or Beethoven's skills.


Well, my answer to that questions would have been objective: "I don't know" while you all jump in the unknown and claim you know, without any statistics supporting your claim. But, if we take in consideration your arguments about the sociological construct parameter, I would say wait and see, now that every gender gets same opportunity. Also your comparison is not good, the question is not if Beethoven can compose everything Mozart can - this is a technical shift, but did a woman contribute to the shape of - in this case- classical music as much as Beethoven, Mozart + 150 other composers males did. No, or not yet, and this is like your matriarchal societies, they were so important and decisive that you need "research" to find one. Nonetheless, I sincerely hope you show me one, because I am eager to know their Aristotle, Plato and Kant equivalents, right?

My view is that  genders, races and cultures are not interchangeable, they can possibly complete each other, females are surely better fit at some things than males, but also vice-versa, and that includes self-control, discipline, mental endurance, parameters which define the top-level of what some human can potentially achieve - all fields included. So when you guys say "let's rethink the genders roles" and you base your arguments only on kindness because this is how it sounds in the end, I am not at all tempted to follow this path.

Also I will add that the guys who defend the right of women to same opportunities because they supposedly are men's equals, find no strange that in most of civilized countries, there is an increasing and legalized attempt to positive discrimination, so on one side you think they deserve, but when in fair competition - which is what you asked btw, you allow them to start running minutes before. Thats a serious problem.  


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artu
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posted April 01, 2018 08:08 PM

There are hundreds of comparative IQ statistics supporting “my claims” about gender, race isnt even biologically a scientific reality among humans, we havent evolved far away enough to be considered really seperate races. Culture is not static, it constantly reshapes and all cultures slowly merge as the world gets smaller, just like provinces evolving into national cultures. Women can have as much endurance and discipline as men and there are literally thousands of historical examples of this. So your views are utterly wrong, even my granny born in 1926 has a more contemporary understanding of the world than you do. Keep watching Tucker, Sal.
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Salamandre
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posted April 01, 2018 10:50 PM

Look, it is you who came with the claim that matriarchal societies already existed. So, following your logic which says that gender roles are a social construct and women were kept at the bottom in patriarchal societies, IF we had indeed matriarchal ones, we should naturally find the feminine equivalent of Plato, Aristotle, Homer. Where are they?

artu said:
. Women can have as much endurance and discipline as men and there are literally thousands of historical examples of this.


Ok then. Give me  the feminine counterpart of Bach, Mozart, Kant, Plato, Aristotle, Darwin, Marx, Freud and so many others who shaped the societies, culture and values we cherish today. You speculate and call yourself a modernist while rewriting history to fit your narrative. This is usually called propaganda, however I give you the opportunity to back your claims with substantial data.

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bloodsucker
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posted April 01, 2018 11:39 PM

Salamandre said:
Give me  the feminine counterpart of Bach

Please, there is no counterpart to Bach (masculine or feminine) and you know it. But I would argue that Margaret Mead is quite a counterpart (in her field) to Freud.

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artu
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posted April 02, 2018 05:55 AM
Edited by artu at 16:35, 02 Apr 2018.

I said some matriarchal societies existed in pre-agricultural times, tribes, which obviously wont produce Plato or Bach, similar anachronism with your other examples, you take them from a period when it wasnt even customary for women to be professionals, put aside geniuses. A Room Of One's Own and all that...But look at 20th century and there are already top notch female artists or scientists, even though the conditions werent still exactly ideal. Also, endurance and discipline is not about the core of genius, to quote Helen Fischer, men's intelligence work more step by step, we usually tend to compartmentalize better, now that is an actual neurological nuance you see, which is a very big advantage when it comes to genius level creativity. Still, I'd say Le Guin classifies as one of the most important sci-fi writers of 20th century for instance, and even one example is enough to show it is not biological unless that person has a biological anomaly which she don't.
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posted April 02, 2018 08:10 AM

dear sweet lord, do i love porn.

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posted April 02, 2018 10:28 AM

Goddamn it. I hate being exhausted and still unable to sleep because my mind won't stfu. This has been happening for a week now.

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