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posted April 18, 2018 01:48 AM

Holy cow, I didnt know, you wrote "he took the bait" while I wrote what's above.
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posted April 18, 2018 01:51 AM

artu said:
Holy cow, I didnt know, you wrote "he took the bait" while I wrote what's above.


lol, no snow, you don't know a lot of things. that's what i've been trying to tell you for years, captain literature.


you know, if you were really smart, you'd listen to people once in awhile. especially me.









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posted April 18, 2018 01:54 AM
Edited by fred79 at 02:08, 18 Apr 2018.

*waits the inevitable half-hour or so for artu to come up with another lackluster and ill-advised response again*


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posted April 18, 2018 02:09 AM

Okay, let me write (just a little) faster. My replies to you usually take a little longer because you take offense easily (not the drama queen you used to be but still...). So I have to be thinking about both making a point and also be sure that you wont be offended because, once you do, everything derails and you just suck the life out of everything. (And then you lecture people about egos!) Now, it becomes additionaly annoying when, while I care about that, you sometimes go "hah, how I made my swift point" and your points are usually extremely blunt, ironically, in cases you think of them the most swift, they are even more blunt. I listen to a lot of people, you are not on top of my list, actually, if our frame is here, I had to convince the ones I listened to, that you are not a moron although you sometimes seem so.
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posted April 18, 2018 02:15 AM

dude, when somebody's trolling you, you're supposed to troll back. don't worry about my feelings, you noob. besides, you suck at jokes anyway. just like you suck at logical responses. because you're obviously reading some blatantly misleading or outright lying sjw snow, or something.

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posted April 18, 2018 02:20 AM

ah, read the last sentence. good on you, bro. at least you're intelligent enough to know i'm not a moron. but on a serious tip, the only reason i was breaking things down in the mass shooting thread to building-block level, is because you weren't getting my point(s) on the normal level. i don't know if it's because you have things preordained in your mind as facts, but when you're wanting to know how things work in the u.s.(and why some things won't, in the aforementioned case), you should listen to an american. despite popular international belief, some of us actually have working brains.

ok, now back to our gay banter.

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posted April 18, 2018 02:27 AM

I cant troll like that, I like sarcasm and jokes and all that but "to just troll" would be weird to me. Besides, I think the concept kind of evolved (or devolved) into a blob, people just use it as a "get out of jail free card." One minute they are speaking, the next minute "they were just trolling." The term used to be used for no-lifers whose only fun was aggrivating people on-line and now it is used like it means spam. Spam makes good spice, trolling should be left to trolls. Why should we troll, it's a waste of time.
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posted April 18, 2018 02:33 AM

you should see how ornery i am irl. you wouldn't be able to stop yourself from smiling. i could cheer hitler right out of shooting himself.


did you read my 2nd post?

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posted April 18, 2018 02:35 AM

fred79 said:
ah, read the last sentence. good on you, bro. at least you're intelligent enough to know i'm not a moron. but on a serious tip, the only reason i was breaking things down in the mass shooting thread to building-block level, is because you weren't getting my point(s) on the normal level. i don't know if it's because you have things preordained in your mind as facts, but when you're wanting to know how things work in the u.s.(and why some things won't, in the aforementioned case), you should listen to an american. despite popular international belief, some of us actually have working brains.

ok, now back to our gay banter.

You are the only American in that thread who thinks the current gun policy is just swell and the issue has nothing to do with guns themselves.You are not the only American in that thread though. And btw, what if it was a thread about why women shouldnt be driving in Saudi Arabia, should we then, listen to a Saudi Arabian to see things clearly? Isnt it possible that the norms you are surrounded with are a disadvantage when it comes to objectivity, rather than an advantage.
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posted April 18, 2018 02:36 AM
Edited by fred79 at 03:01, 18 Apr 2018.

artu said:
what if it was a thread about why women shouldnt be driving in Saudi Arabia, should we then, listen to a Saudi Arabian to see things clearly? Isnt it possible that the norms you are surrounded with are a disadvantage when it comes to objectivity, rather than an advantage.


hmm. good point, actually.

i think i understand somewhat why you weren't taking my word for it(at least, partially. because the points i made didn't matter if i was an american or not, really).

but, there is an issue with your skepticism, artu. if you aren't going to take someone's word for something when they're more "in the know" than you, regarding a specific subject; just how are you going to expand your knowledge of that "something"?

do i come across to you, as someone who DOESN'T see things for what they are? do i come across to you, as someone who would be BLIND to programming?


*added the quote that i was replying to. i replied to the first part afterward.

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posted April 18, 2018 02:58 AM

artu said:
no-lifers whose only fun was aggrivating people on-line


Represent.

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posted April 18, 2018 02:58 AM

The issue is not about knowing more about guns. You can say it's about knowing the American society more but then, extreme majortiy of Americans themselves want tighter gun control. And it's very easy to see why. You take it as pro-gun people versus anti-gun people, like it is some match between the two. You have a stereotype anti-gun person in your head and you argue with it. I think you are reactionary to some anti-gun arguments over there and you just put everthing in that reactionary basket.
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posted April 18, 2018 02:59 AM

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You are the only American in that thread who thinks the current gun policy is just swell


this part is horrendously false. i made that abundantly clear in that thread, dude.

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posted April 18, 2018 03:07 AM

fred79 said:
artu said:
You are the only American in that thread who thinks the current gun policy is just swell


this part is horrendously false. i made that abundantly clear in that thread, dude.

The other Americans I remember are Markkur, Blizz, Corribus. Markkur said he opposses military grade weapons sold to civilians, Blizz is right here to confirm why he doesnt think it's swell, Corribus directly objected to you giving him as an example, said he wanted regulations... How is it false? Who's the other yank who sees eye to eye with you on this?
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posted April 18, 2018 03:08 AM
Edited by fred79 at 03:10, 18 Apr 2018.

artu said:
The issue is not about knowing more about guns. You can say it's about knowing the American society more but then, extreme majortiy of Americans themselves want tighter gun control. And it's very easy to see why. You take it as pro-gun people versus anti-gun people, like it is some match between the two. You have a stereotype anti-gun person in your head and you argue with it. I think you are reactionary to some anti-gun arguments over there and you just put everthing in that reactionary basket.


i wasn't alluding to knowing more about guns, but about the gun issue in the u.s.  and, like i stated above, how you got that i think the current gun laws are just dandy, and you keep thinking this despite what i clearly stated regarding that...  i was crystal clear in that thread that people should have to at least go through training and take a test before purchasing a gun, just like they would a car.

"you take it as pro-gun vs anti-gun", wrong again. i was categorizing the argument like that because it was easier to lump the arguments together(because believe it or not, most of the people arguing with me were saying the same thing over and over, like i didn't already know that side of the argument).

the only reason i became reactionary, is because most of you weren't even TRYING to read what i posted, or to understand my posts. that is what led me to breaking things down to an elementary level, btw. most of you continually overlooked what i was posting, and were just focusing on, what you all THOUGHT, were weak points in my argument. because you weren't reading everything i posted, and were only arguing specific points, you lost the utter essence of my stance. which is proven here, by how much you STILL don't understand my point(s).



edit: as for your last reply, see above.

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posted April 18, 2018 03:23 AM

Okay, let me elaborate. You did say people needed training, that is not what I mean by the "swell" thing. What I mean is that you still want all kind of weapons to be available just like it is now, nobody else (American) in that thread said they support that. So, what you think of as missing the essence is actually people telling you no matter how much training you give, there is still no sense in having military grade assault rifles. Remove the words "military grade assault rifle" and insert "biochemical bomb." Biochemical bombs dont kill people, people do. If some terrorist has it, we should too, so we can protect ourself against such criminals, of course people should be trained to use them properly, they should know it is a responsibility to own biochemical bombs etc... Would this make sense to you?
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posted April 18, 2018 03:45 AM
Edited by fred79 at 05:15, 18 Apr 2018.

artu said:
Okay, let me elaborate. You did say people needed training, that is not what I mean by the "swell" thing. What I mean is that you still want all kind of weapons to be available just like it is now, nobody else (American) in that thread said they support that. So, what you think of as missing the essence is actually people telling you no matter how much training you give, there is still no sense in having military grade assault rifles. Remove the words "military grade assault rifle" and insert "biochemical bomb." Biochemical bombs dont kill people, people do. If some terrorist has it, we should too, so we can protect ourself against such criminals, of course people should be trained to use them properly, they should know it is a responsibility to own biochemical bombs etc... Would this make sense to you?


"swell" in america, means "great", man. meaning, "no reason to change". not sure if it means something else in turkey.

"i still want all kinds of weapons"... we don't have access to all kinds of weapons. we have access to revolvers, pistols, rifles, shotguns, and semi-automatic rifles. for everything past that, we need a class-3 weapons license. actual "assault rifles"(a favorite phrase of the left to describe semi-auto rifles) are anywhere from 3rd-burst to full auto, which is what the military has. you need a class-3 weapons license to own one, and there's a $200 tax to get one, AFTER an fbi/atf background check.
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so, to state clearly, i think what we can own now, is fine. THAT is what i think is fine. BUT i also think that idiots and the mentally ill SHOULDN'T have one period(just like i don't think they should be allowed to procreate, OR have a soapbox to express themselves); and i think people should have to take a test and receive training beforehand, IF they even get one, period. i believe in the 2nd amendment, but what i DON'T believe is arming morons or the mentally ill.

"military grade assault rifles"... see above. if you from the left, knew more about guns, you wouldn't be using these ridiculously loaded and provocative phrases to describe a semi-automatic rifle(you're describing the military version of the rifle, and NOT the civilian version of the rifle). it is BECAUSE the left use these phrases, that the RIGHT believe:

a. the left are ignorant or lying, regarding firearms.

b. the left use these phrases because they are afraid of guns(possibly due to being largely ignorant about them, and the issues surrounding mass shootings in general), and want them taken from law-abiding civilians. because, why ELSE would a group use such loaded and provocative phrases, if they WEREN'T trying to lie(or were just completely ignorant regarding the issue) to people in order to push their anti-gun agenda? and why else would they be attempting to punish law-abiding citizens who own guns, when only a small percentage of people are committing these crimes?

now, read a and b again. knowing your opponent, is how you learn both sides of the issue. if you are a reasonable person, you can see why someone would be led to believe both a AND b, based on the left continually:

1. using the phrase "assault rifle" to describe something that ISN'T an assault rifle.

2. continually pointing towards an inanimate object being the source of an issue, instead of the willful HUMAN element wielding said object.

3. pushing for stronger laws, based on 1 and 2.


do you see why such left-thinking(and actions based on that misguided thinking) is WHY law-abiding gun owners THINK the way they do?



as for your "bomb" argument, where does it end on the other spectrum? knives? is that really a good direction to be going in? especially being, that criminals would be able to get guns regardless of law, just like they do now, and just like how illegal drugs are gotten now?

the problem(s) with the left, is that they have no understanding of the objects they so despise. they have no grip on what needs done, to solve the mass-shooting issue. and, they have no understanding of what they're even dealing with; regarding everything surrounding the issue in the u.s.  at ALL. at ALL, artu.

take the florida shooting, for example. some of the kids that spoke out about guns, are kids that actually BULLIED THE SHOOTER. they ADMITTED TO IT.

and have you heard ANY of the left, pointing THAT out? nope. not on the news, certainly. and WHY? because the news is a CONTROLLED MEDIUM. it used to be just TWO companies that controlled all media in the states. and now, one of those companies is supposedly buying the other out. you can understand, i think, that even now, with TWO companies running ALL media and yammering on and on about gun violence and how SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE TO STOP IT(but again, erroneously going about it absolutely the wrong way), that THAT particular voice would be TWICE as bad, if only ONE entity were controlling all media in the u.s.

now, just WHY would such a vastly controlled medium, that has pushed the same rotten government and corporate agendas for years like it was candy, and not poison, to the masses, be SO hell-bent on focusing on diminishing gun rights and/or outright attempting to REMOVE firearms from the populace at large?

DESPITE the fact, that everything they try, is for NAUGHT. there is something like 500,000,000 firearms in the u.s., atm. just HOW do you, or the left, PROPOSE to stop ANY of those 500,000,000 firearms from being used for an illegal or harmful purpose? it is not logically OR logistically possible, to REMOVE WHAT ALREADY EXISTS. any laws submitted to try and HALT that, is sheer stupidity, no matter what.

ANY anti-gun sentiment LOSES on this issue, no matter what(even my own, with how i think guns should be more regulated). you cannot STOP people from owning ANY firearms, period. NO ONE can solve this issue by attempting to stop what is PREVALENT in our culture, and what could be gotten ILLEGALLY anyway.

the ONLY way you can stop this issue, is to stop what's causing it.

the school shootings? try looking at the bullies. school kids are snows; they were when I was in school, which is one of the reasons why i ended up leaving and not graduating.

as for the adults shooting lots of people? well, you can't stop that. the only thing you can do there, is increase security everywhere. which they will. just like with the "taking off your shoes before you board a plane because there was once a bomb in a shoe".

and that's not even mentioning, the MEDIA COVERAGE of these events. they turn these shooters into CELEBRITIES. like they didn't learn that was a bad thing, when covering serial killers in the 80's. all of a sudden, they forget a vital lesson? just to PROMOTE gun violence by making shooters celebrities, so that they can have more ammunition for their ANTI-GUN AGENDA?

the media factors HUGE into these things, man. and so does the internet. both promise INSTANT STARDOM to a would-be shooter; who would otherwise likely live an unknown existence where they're just PUSHED AROUND AND ALIENATED BY EVERYONE IN SOCIETY ANYWAY. just like in school. i mean, forget the mass shooting stats. take a gander at the SUICIDE stats, and you'll see what the underlying issue is. people everywhere are largely UNHAPPY, man. and who can blame them? life in our societies are RIGGED, man. the least significant will ALWAYS LOSE until things change for the better. and by "better", i don't mean removing something to EXPRESS that deep-rooted human issue, regarding human existence in society today.

things are FUBAR, man. not just in the states, but nearly everywhere. --->overpopulation<---, internet sociology, inhumanity to man, and technology are taking their toll on us; not just the rest of the natural world.

most of your(and the left's) focus is on an inanimate object, artu. neither you, NOR most of the left-leaning, is focusing on the ENTIRE PICTURE.

not saying the entire right is, either. but I   AM.

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posted April 18, 2018 07:57 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 08:06, 18 Apr 2018.

More binary arguments that are made of straw to defend a crooked lobby.

Do you have a specific person here who said or who believes that better regulation on guns means a total solution to violent crime? I don't remember ever seeing that.

(I'd simply support banning semi-automatics and handguns entirely, but I'll support anything that moves us in that direction)

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posted April 18, 2018 10:47 AM

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posted April 18, 2018 01:31 PM

I bloody need to write a book.

I also bloody need to learn how to properly format and not lose my train of thought after a line. I also bloody need to stop using bloody as a reinforcement, it's just too British and I hate the British, what gives?
I also bloody need to purchase some insecticides, ants and mosquitoes are going to eat me alive.
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