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Damacon_Ace
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posted October 02, 2017 05:02 AM

Ahhh...Catalonia and their independence referendum...who cares? Do we  really want a Balkanization of the Iberian peninsula? Remember what happened to Yugoslavia?
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posted October 02, 2017 07:59 AM

Spain, USA, and the whole Western Europe cheered for that, they bombed and they armed the opposition,. And there was no "referendum". And here Spain is repressing a peaceful voting process.

There's like 1000 injured. Over 10000 police mobilized from all of Spain.
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Kipshasz
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posted October 02, 2017 08:00 AM

Damacon_Ace said:
Ahhh...Catalonia and their independence referendum...who cares? Do we  really want a Balkanization of the Iberian peninsula? Remember what happened to Yugoslavia?
yes, and yes.
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NoobX
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posted October 02, 2017 08:39 AM

You don't want Balkanization.  Look at where it has led us - petty countries filled with corrupt politicians who thrive off of the mess left behind by the war.
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Kipshasz
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posted October 02, 2017 08:47 AM

NoobX said:
You don't want Balkanization.  Look at where it has led us - petty countries filled with corrupt politicians who thrive off of the mess left behind by the war.


Spain is exactly that right now. A petty country with corrupt politicians. and some spaniards thrive off of the mess made by a war, although in another country.
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artu
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posted October 02, 2017 10:15 AM

Have you people ever seen somebody here who says his country isn't corrupt? Some degree of corruption is inevitable because power corrupts (and absolute power corrupts absolutely), this, combined with the iron law of oligarchy, makes it impossible to prevent it completely.

The thing is, if enough people really want to seperate, that is, if it is not a "cola or pepsi" question to them but an actual goal, something that matters, it will eventually happen one way or the other. I'm not sure Spain is at that point though.
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EnergyZ
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posted October 02, 2017 01:15 PM

Well if Catalonia vote succeeds, we may also see Scotland doing the same, I think. Or perhaps the vote to get back North Ireland to Ireland.

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tSar-Ivor
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posted October 02, 2017 01:56 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 13:57, 02 Oct 2017.

Scotland is one thing, but Ireland is a whole 'nother mess entirely. Northern Ireland is predominantly Ulster scum, no way we want their ilk just the land please, ship them back to that god forsaken island or beyond for all I care.
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Corribus
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posted October 02, 2017 03:05 PM

Let's try to keep things respectful or I will close it down.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted October 02, 2017 03:09 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 15:14, 02 Oct 2017.

Just trying to highlight the sillyness of outsiders yapping about united Ireland, nobody here is calling for it for a good reason, number one Ulster ain't Ireland period (only the land, so if they fancy giving that back that's fine, but don't leave those delicate little unicorns behind please, which is of course hardly viable no matter how you slice it, that's why only radicals are even considering a united Ireland or outsiders who know little).
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Ghost
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posted October 02, 2017 03:39 PM

Catalonia voted 90% yes

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AlHazin
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posted October 02, 2017 04:01 PM

Kipshasz said:
AlHazin said:
Ahahahahahaaaa Spain will fall!

#freegranada #freealandalus


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NimoStar said:
If Spaniards complain so much about catalunya making them poor and RUINING EVERYTHING FOREVER, why won't they let it go?


Haha yeah, like Malaysia did with Singapore.
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tito_reni
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posted October 02, 2017 04:56 PM
Edited by tito_reni at 17:03, 02 Oct 2017.

Ghost said:
Catalonia voted 90% yes


So did Crimea

NimoStar said:
If Spaniards complain so much about catalunya making them poor and RUINING EVERYTHING FOREVER, why won't they let it go?

It doesn't fit to complain about a land being a part of your realm and then keep wanting it conquered.

If you don't like it, leave it.


Maybe we should. And then make bettings about how long it takes until they come back begging to be part of Spain again.

They have too many muslims inside because they didn't want latinoamerican immigrants (you know, because they speak spanish). In the best case, they will turn into a Caliphate.

I'm warning you guys, if Catalonia goes independent, so will many regions of Europe. Yesterday, there were some concentrations in french Bretania asking for independence. Appart from those which are very small (like Andorra or Luxemburgo), almost every european country has separatist problems (I think only Ireland and Iceland are free from this).

You all seem to be very ignorant on the matter, so take this picture:



Original one (big size): Link

Now you might understand the size of the problem.

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Neraus
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posted October 02, 2017 05:19 PM

That's not so bad, it would actually be a dream come true!
If only... If only...

But let's be honest, for some reason independentism is run by commies, and I certainly wouldn't want to hand Sicily to some socialist party, I much prefer subordination than Socialism.

Now the other dream of returning to be a kingdom is a wee bit more complicated and improbable.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted October 02, 2017 05:31 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 17:31, 02 Oct 2017.

You need some well bred Normans for that, and to breed those you will first need to get your hands on some fine naturalized Vikings (though savage/wild ones will do too, just extra work).
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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted October 02, 2017 05:38 PM

Spain out of the EU

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tito_reni
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posted October 02, 2017 05:39 PM
Edited by tito_reni at 17:44, 02 Oct 2017.

Neraus said:
That's not so bad, it would actually be a dream come true!
If only... If only...

But let's be honest, for some reason independentism is run by commies, and I certainly wouldn't want to hand Sicily to some socialist party, I much prefer subordination than Socialism.

Now the other dream of returning to be a kingdom is a wee bit more complicated and improbable.


Ahem, ahem.

It's plain obvious that the Globalist plan is to weaken all european nations by turning them into smaller and weaker states. Then, they will be able to force the will of the European Union into all of them.

Merkel is like Palpatine: she wants to cause a crisis (separatist and immigrational one) to justify her tyranny.

Well, let's be honest, Palpatine was way more cooler and less evil than Merkel.

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Neraus
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posted October 02, 2017 05:53 PM

That is if the recently independent states are willing to enter the EU in the first place.

As I said it would be a dream, that would only succeed if these separatists weren't bloody socialist-progressive oafs.
I would love a Europe of actual nation-states, that is Sicily for the Sicilians, Veneto for the Venetians, Scotland for the Scots, you name it and yes, Catalunya for the Catalans.
But on the condition of them not joining the EU and just doing those damn trade agreements by themselves.

The only reason why I oppose the current movement of Catalonian independence is that it would create another lefty-republic that would join the EU while allowing more immigrants.
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tito_reni
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posted October 02, 2017 06:43 PM

Neraus said:
That is if the recently independent states are willing to enter the EU in the first place.

As I said it would be a dream, that would only succeed if these separatists weren't bloody socialist-progressive oafs.
I would love a Europe of actual nation-states, that is Sicily for the Sicilians, Veneto for the Venetians, Scotland for the Scots, you name it and yes, Catalunya for the Catalans.
But on the condition of them not joining the EU and just doing those damn trade agreements by themselves.

The only reason why I oppose the current movement of Catalonian independence is that it would create another lefty-republic that would join the EU while allowing more immigrants.


And why not Federal Republics??? Why think small and not big? Can't there be a brotherhood of cultures within a nation?

I'm a huge fan of the Roman Empire. I would love to see something like the European Union but done in the interest of europeans, not the other way around. Like a "Mediterranean League" that reunifies the lands that belonged to the Roman Empire, so we stand united to defend our interest and to cast away abrahamic religions and marxism.

And this "Mediterranean League" could be composed by Federal Republic that mantain a brotherhood regions within the nation.

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tSar-Ivor
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posted October 02, 2017 06:54 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 18:56, 02 Oct 2017.

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mantain a brotherhood regions


What the hell does this mean? I mean last time I heard something similar was brotherhood of nations between Russia and the former Soviet states (Uzbekhistan, Checky, Belerus, Ukraine, Moldova et cetera), and that is hardly brotherhood more like a dressed up criminal sindicate, with the top dog and the unwilling lackeys.

More to the point, creating something like this is a pipedream at best, unless you just want it down in structurally and leave out all the psychology out of it, but then it's just regions and nations, there's no brotherhood unless the people actually feel like that (or unless you got an effective propaganda machine going and can dupe people into thinking that's how things are).

You need carrots and sticks, you can't just wish for federalism and poof it happens, the whole reason nation states are breaking down is because there is less 'brotherhood' going on, so people regress into the familiar (or at least what they 'believe' to be familiar).
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