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Thread: Catalan independence is rooted in human greed, not cultural identity This thread is 5 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 · «PREV
artu
artu


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posted October 28, 2017 05:30 PM
Edited by artu at 17:31, 28 Oct 2017.

Blizzardboy said:
The Catalan flag isn't older than the Cuban flag

It looks like it, but the joke is on Neraus, because the star of the Cuban flag is not representing communism as one may easily assume but instead, it is a salute to the capitalist U.S.:

After fighting for the Spanish Crown against the rebel armies of Venezuela, Narciso López moved from his native Caracas to Havana, Cuba. His involvement in anticolonial movements forced him to be banished. In 1849 he moved to New York City, where he continued to fight for the rights to be an independent Cuban.

The three blue stripes represent the three departments in which Cuba was divided at that time, the white purity of ideals, the light; the red triangle, originating from the French Revolution – and the three ideals of liberty, equality and fraternity: red for the blood and the courage; the star was the new state that should be added to the United States.


The Catalan flag is directly inspired by it:

The flag dates from the early 20th century; it was most probably designed in 1918 by Vicenç Albert Ballester i Camps.[1] It came from combining the traditional four red stripes over a yellow field of the Senyera with a blue triangle at the hoist containing a five-pointed white star, inspired by the flags of Cuba and Puerto Rico. Later designs combine the Senyera with a yellow triangle at the hoist containing a five-pointed red star. In both designs the lone star motif means Catalan independence.
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Neraus
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posted October 28, 2017 08:44 PM

Funny enough, so Cuba's flag should have been a symbol of unification with the US but Catalonia is for independence, nevertheless I like to make off-handed quips about stars and commies.

I simply hate stars in flags, or striped flags with a canton, I think they made a crime in changing the Greek flag, it was so much better when it was simply a white cross over blue.
You can imagine my opinion of the USA flag and the EU flag.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 28, 2017 10:07 PM

Nothing beats mythical beasts on flags: Wales
Sri Lanka.

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Blizzardboy
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posted October 28, 2017 10:31 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 22:38, 28 Oct 2017.

@ Mafia:

Mexico has the upgraded version of your flag with a bird of prey devouring a serpent. Without the imagery it just looks like a delicious mozzarella salad.



I could so go for that with some salt and balsamic vinegar. Om nom.


The original Mexican flag is arguably better though. It has a saber, bow & quiver:


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kiryu133
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posted October 28, 2017 11:22 PM

I quite like the current Mexican flag even if mostly because the story behind it is just darn rad.

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Neraus
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posted October 28, 2017 11:56 PM
Edited by Neraus at 23:56, 28 Oct 2017.

@blizz

You seem to be mistaken, this is historically our flag.


Alright though, this is actually our flag.



Back in the day they were original when making flags, now Europe is littered with tricolors... What were they thinking? In certain conditions I can't even distinguish the Irish flag from the Italian flag from the Ivory Coast flag, for crying out loud.

And really, Italy has its tricolor because some students in Bologna ripped off the French flag and Napoleon was chill with it.
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Dies_Irae
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posted October 29, 2017 10:36 AM
Edited by Dies_Irae at 10:42, 29 Oct 2017.

@Neraus: I have a (large) Sicilian flag with the Trinacria in my humble 'collection' .  

Concerning the topic of uninspired flags, here's another for you:
- Libya (from 1977 till 2011)

Flag confusion:

Poland
Indonesia
Monaco

If you have one, you basically have them all .

My personal favorite from abovementioned collection:



Not a country, not even a province or region, but a city. The city of Leiden.
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Neraus
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posted October 29, 2017 11:00 AM

This is the flag of the city I was born in (and currently studying in)



And this is the emblem.



Sicily still has awesome emblems for almost every city, as does Italy for the most part.

While the USA has probably the worst city flags, sometimes even the worst state flags. (Although I really like the Maryland flag)
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Dies_Irae
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posted October 29, 2017 11:13 AM

That emblem beats the flag without breaking a sweat .

Emblem of Leiden:


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tSar-Ivor
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posted October 29, 2017 12:10 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 12:12, 29 Oct 2017.




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Blizzardboy
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posted October 29, 2017 01:04 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 13:05, 29 Oct 2017.

Neraus said:

While the USA has probably the worst city flags, sometimes even the worst state flags. (Although I really like the Maryland flag)


The State flags are awesome. Washington's state flag is George Washington's face slapped on a green background, lol


I'm pretty sure Hawaii and Mississippi are guilty of treason though:





What is this I don't even.
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tito_reni
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posted October 29, 2017 02:07 PM

Blizzardboy said:
The Catalan flag isn't older than the Cuban flag


That's the original one, which doesn't have the blue triangle with the star. It goes back to a legend about a battle in which the Kingdom of France and the County of Barcelona fougth the muslims. During the battle the Count of Barcelona died and the King of France, as a gesture of respect, put his hand (except for his thumb finger) in the blood of the Count and painted four vertical lines over a yellow shield.

The one with the blue triangle and the star originated during the XIX century as the separatist movement was starting to form.

Oh, by the way, the blue triangle with a five-point white star is a masonic symbol.

And yes, we should go back to beasts in the flags. In fact, the Kingdom of Aragon used to have a legend about the knight Saint Jorge (or Saint Jordi if you are catalan and [CENSORED]) who killed a dragon. It's an allegorical story about how christianity defeated paganism.

I say we take back the dragon. Give to him the color scheme of Aragon (red and yellow). Hell, you could use the Red Dragon of Heroes 2 as a good example of what I want.

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Blizzardboy
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posted October 30, 2017 04:12 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 04:29, 30 Oct 2017.

Saints. Who needs them when you got public veneration of celebrities and hypochondriac French emperors?

Russell Crowe was a pivotal Spanish figure in history when he traveled back in time from New Zealand and became an enslaved Roman general who killed the emperor in a gladitorial fight in 82 AD. Why not put an image of him screaming at the top of his lungs next to the image of a red dragon for the Spanish national flag?



@ the people of Spain: You're welcome. I know, I know. I'm incredible.


I have all the best ideas. Further advice on flags will require a service fee.
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