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posted November 07, 2017 07:13 PM

100 Years of Communism

A hundred years ago today, some people in St. Petersburg made the world's biggest mistake.
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posted November 07, 2017 07:22 PM

They drank pure alcohol on an empty stomach.
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posted November 07, 2017 07:22 PM

There are bigger mistakes; barbarian invasions of the Late Roman Empire for an example.
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posted November 07, 2017 07:49 PM

The worst mistake is to invade Russia in winter.
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posted November 07, 2017 07:59 PM

calling Caucescu a genius is like calling Barack Obongo(oganja) a Black Kennedy.


And then we have Comrade Corn Fetish. the 'ol Khokhol drunkard who gifted Crimea to Ukraine, Nikita Chruschev.
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posted November 07, 2017 08:06 PM

Prices and cost equivalences were much better under Ceausescu. Everyone had a home and a job. At the price of censure of speech and travel prohibition. Many, including my parents, say now that they regret Ceausescu. Things are complex.

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posted November 07, 2017 08:10 PM

as is with every commie regime, the negatives far outweight the benefits.
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posted November 07, 2017 08:15 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 20:17, 07 Nov 2017.

People had money because they had nothing to spend it on, there was nothing to buy, maybe except some Vietnamese shrimp paste. Another funny thing is that you couldn't own property, you also had to pay rent to the state for your own house. And let's not forget retarded taxes like "chimney smoke tax".
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posted November 07, 2017 09:08 PM

You could not buy a house but the rent was about 1/4 of monthly income. Now a house to buy is 60 years of income and the monthly rent is 1 month of income, is it better?

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posted November 07, 2017 09:15 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 21:24, 07 Nov 2017.

This depends on where you live and what you do for a living. Romania was an economic powerhouse during the inter-war period, but after WW2 and 50  years of communism, it went down the toilet. Yes, I admit it ain't that good around here (the fact that we had communism dragged us down a lot), but it's far better than in communism. Forced labor for students and schoolchildren (getting children out of school and into the fields to harvest wheat and vegetables), few to none human rights (the secret police even gave x-rays to miners on strike so they get cancer), the security eavesdropping on anything you do, closed borders, insane trade protectionism, frequent electricity and heat cutoffs and day-long queues to get some deplorable groceries aren't worth cheaper rent.
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posted November 07, 2017 09:29 PM

How old were you in '85? I never experienced forced labor, harvest whatever, nor electricity cuts. On the other side, is true that my granfather had to join the queue at 4 am to get some food when it opened, then we were monitored as close as possible. Anyway, not trying to praise the "old times", just stating some facts which are a burden for me nowadays.

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posted November 07, 2017 09:34 PM

The only mistake I see is that the rich have ruled Russia. Today, not much has changed, either.

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posted November 07, 2017 09:42 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 21:43, 07 Nov 2017.

Salamandre said:
How old were you in '85? I never experienced forced labor, harvest whatever, nor electricity cuts.


All members of my family had to "work for the country" when they were in school. My grandmother was an elementary school teacher and she had to bring students every year (we're talking 10 - 11 years olds here). Most common was harvesting grain (let's also remember that means trusting a 10 year old with a sickle).

Here's some links, so you don't say I'm not talking out of my ass:

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posted November 08, 2017 01:31 AM

I think communism had been tested under enough variety of cultures and periods (an isolated island such as Cuba, an ancient, very populated civilization such as China, the Balkans, Russia, North Korea...) to safely say that the theory never works even closely as intended and the results, although not always the demonized hell hole from some McCarthy rhetoric, are not pleasant.

Marx's importance and legacy is his contribution to social sciences, mainly sociology and ironically, how his "anti-thesis" for capitalism resulted in drastically changing capitalist states themselves. All of us live under some sort of welfare state with basic education, healthcare for everybody, union rights for the workers, laws that control monopolies and this was not the case in the 19th Century. And all developed countries have a leftist political mainstream which balances things out. After the post-cold war era, it's easy to see how, if that leftist mainstream is abandoned or loses touch with the concerns of working-class people, the complaining masses can be quickly vacuumed by religious bigotry or far-right movements. It's happening globally and had there been no left, it could have been much closer to the post WWI trauma of the 1930's. Look at the Middle East, that is what happens when you totally crush leftist movements in the name of religion or nationalism.
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posted November 08, 2017 02:00 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 02:02, 08 Nov 2017.

LizardWarrior said:
Here's some links, so you don't say I'm not talking out of my ass


Not saying that, only that in 18 years of school/university I or my school never experienced "patriotic harvesting". So your articles are not accurate/exaggerating when they say "everybody", or maybe it was prior to my generation (article says 1971). I don't have only negative souvenirs about, I recall a large frustration on one side, but also a very rich spiritual life around, people were motivated, disciplined and cultivated. At least in the urban area.

There is a captivating documentary on North Korea made by Alain Soral, the black sheep of our benevolent medias. But also a brilliant intellectual, and he has a refreshing perspective on stereotypes about NK. Too bad is only in french.
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posted November 08, 2017 06:22 AM

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I think communism had been tested under enough variety of cultures and periods (an isolated island such as Cuba, an ancient, very populated civilization such as China, the Balkans, Russia, North Korea...) to safely say that the theory never works even closely as intended and the results
It's never been tested in the economically advanced society which was supposed to be its base though. Admittedly it will probably not work as intended even in this case but when the Marx/Engels duo wrote their stuff, they had Great Britain, France and the US in mind, not Russia and China.

Nowadays the nostalgia of the older generation about the times of what ultimately was state socialism (not even close to communism) is outweighed by the some fairly ridiculous criticism on it from the "new" generation. The most amusing one probably is that everything was nice and cool and shiny and veeeery advanced before a small band of evil commies backed by the huge Russian monster arrived and enslaved everybody for ~50 years - it's a de facto urban legend in the former Eastern block past the USSR times.

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posted November 08, 2017 06:45 AM

Well, in such a developed state, you cant just convince enough people to a revolution that will reset all institutions. The Brits still dont even give up on their monarchy, although it's just symbolic.
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posted November 08, 2017 07:05 AM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 07:35, 08 Nov 2017.

The Brits having a mostly ceremonial monarchy boils down to how stable & successful their nation used to be in the 19th/20th century.

European countries without monarchies all experienced extreme violence in the process of shedding them. To my knowledge there are no examples to the contrary. I think the German king abdicated, but Germany and Italy are historically cluster****ed  into all sorts of kingdoms and princedoms and the average German never knew what the hell was going on, so he just got wasted instead of trying to figure it out.

Communism mass K.O'd the Eastern monarchs.

The UK transitioned into a parliamentary democracy incrementally and peacefully.

I think the UK is in second place behind Japan for world's oldest monarchy. They have to keep it alive purely for the sake of competition. They can't lose to a country of sexually dissatisfied robophiles.

Reintegrating the US into the commonwealth of nations (UK, Aus, Canada) would help keep it alive. Our mentally & emotionally defective president has talked of the idea and for once I wouldn't personally mind the idea. It would be a symbolically nice gesture as well as the perfect opportunity to supplant Tom Hanks onto the throne.
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posted November 08, 2017 07:35 AM
Edited by artu at 07:36, 08 Nov 2017.

Blizzardboy said:
The Brits having a mostly ceremonial monarchy boils down to how stable & successful their nation used to be in the 19th/20th century.

Well, the British middle-class was the first to decapitate a king in 1649 (as opposed to royals with a claim to the throne killing each other, which was considered fair game) but unlike the French, they didnt try to turn it into something permanent, a country needed her king after all. I would be hesitant to argue it couldnt have gone any other way though.
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