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AlHazin
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posted December 07, 2017 08:56 AM

Donald Trump recognizes AlQods as Israel’s capital city

Blocking the peace process for ever. Another step to ultimate unrest.

I guess that’s what it is to have a stupid president.
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posted December 07, 2017 09:18 AM

Yeah because in the last 20 years the peace process worked marvels, how many UN resolutions against Israel and nothing worked out? Look, he is trying to get a solid support by teasing the Zionists, which are ruling the world. He got them all excited, now even in France, our Jews associations call for Macron to do same thing, so is a smart move imo.

Then one thing bothers me, why do YOU care? Why every Arab through the world is so affected by what happens at thousands of kilometers away and it doesn't concern him or his country? What if the western world was also so picky and aggressive about every political slogan used let's say in Iran, or Hamas, Hezbollah and so on, the world would be in continuous war, and for no serious reasons. Because this is a only political slogan and political move, you realize, right? Unless an international resolution, Jerusalem is not going to be anything that wasn't yesterday, on a legal basis.

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posted December 07, 2017 09:51 AM

You really believe Zionists rule the world?
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posted December 07, 2017 10:00 AM

Capitalism, finances and information rule the world. Key jobs in those fields are majorly hold by zionists, in all important democracies.

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posted December 07, 2017 10:37 AM

Israel should be moved to space station...

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posted December 07, 2017 10:41 AM
Edited by artu at 10:42, 07 Dec 2017.

@Sal

That is a propaganda originating from the 1930's. Considering their ratio to world population, jews have a significant existence in top positions, sure, but it's nowhere near enough to call it "filled with zionists" and it's not like they have complete control over the market either.
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posted December 07, 2017 10:47 AM

Let's not shift the discussion. I have no problem with jews being in top positions, as long as they deserve it on individual base, and so far, I consider each deserves it - take classical music for example, about 30% of world best musicians are jews and I believe we are blessed to have them. But is hard to not observe that such pattern profits to Israel politics overall, I already made clear my position over time: they are illegally colonizing another country, stirring hate and unrest all; over the Arabic world. Yet you can't criticize or even discuss that nowhere, because guess what, they own the medias. So in the end, that poses a problem, not to them, but to other nations who are finally accused of covering some conspiracy.

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posted December 07, 2017 12:02 PM

The massively disagreeing nations could move their embassies in the US from Washington to Richmond, Virginia...

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posted December 07, 2017 06:24 PM
Edited by AnkVaati at 18:27, 07 Dec 2017.

Wonderful news!

Salamandre said:
Capitalism, finances and information rule the world. Key jobs in those fields are majorly hold by zionists, in all important democracies.
If that would be true, they're doing a horrible poor job considering that this conflict could be over in 24 hours, yet it's been going on for over 50 years and Jews not being safe in their own country thanks to appeasement to Hitler-admiring murderers who demand a totally ahistoric 'judenrein' state in the Jewish people's historical homeland. 'Palestinians' have been killing Jews since before the creation of the State of Israel, they massacred 62 Jews in Hebron 1929, a place the UN and all the great powers now demand to be part of a perpetually 'judenrein' state, after the ethnic cleansing of Jews from those ares perpetuated by the Jordanians during the Israeli war of independence.

So if Zionists are really controlling everything as you say, they're doing a horribly poor job with supporting the Zionist cause. Croatia managed to expel a quarter of a million Serbs in a matter of days back in 1995, after the later had created an ethnically cleansed state on Croatian land through a bloodbath. And boom - that conflict was no more. Perhaps Croatians rule the world? (or perhaps Serbs didn't have a gigantic lobby with oil-producing countries in the UN) Actually if an alien arrived from another world and looked at the UN records she'd probably think that Israel is the most evil country in the world, much thanks to the disguising 'non-aligned bloc' with all the rouge states and third-world dictators constantly voting to condemn it while admiring themselves (we should make a new UN only for western democracies imho..)

The Israeli people have been living in fear constantly for their lives because of appeasement to people with an iron-age mentality following a fascist ideology, who have no moral qualms with sending their kids to bomb school buses, or even let their kids be killed by Israeli airstrikes (the finest honour in their ugly religion) so that they can play victims before international media. 'Conservative' Likud has actually been responsible for most of the appeasement policies towards the islamofascists, including the withdrawal from Gaza, turning Gaza judenrein for the first time in history. And the only person of note in Israel who explicitly dared to say the obvious, that a population exchange of 'Palestinians' to the Arab world was necessary for peace (Reverend Meir Kahane) got his party banned for racism.

It would probably take less than 24 hours to repatriate the 'Palestinians', which would be more than well-deserved, and none of the Arab states would be able to react in time. But the Israelis have as much of a guilt complex towards Muslims (and people in failed states who can't keep their snow together in general) as the rest of the west has, no matter how bloodthirsty and savage the later behaves. Had the 'Palestinians' been white Christians, you bet everyone from the left to the right would have condemned them as Nazis and none would ever think of giving them a 'judeinrein' fascist state. But Muslims are simply above Jews in the western guilt pyramid today, as they are father away from those horrible white Christian straight males who are seen as the source of all evils in this world.

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@Sal

That is a propaganda originating from the 1930's.

Word.

Actually, with the kind of broad definition the conspiracists have regarding 'Jews', everyone with some Jewish heritage or a Jewish-sounding last name is Jewish. I'd probably qualify since I fill both of those criterias... despite the fact that I'm an.. ehh... de jure Christian, de facto some kind of dharmic pagan who's biggest relationship with the Jewish people is enjoying myself with beautiful older Jewish women.

In my country, the - according to neo-nazis and tinfoil hats - supposedly 'jewish-owned media' (by families that largely aren't Jewish and haven't been for near a century) are about as 'pro-israeli' as Bernie Sanders or some other devoted anti-nationalist, and would maybe at most say something totally pointless like 'we condemn Settlements and the Israeli occupation, but we also condemn islamic terrorism'. While those who defend the 'Palestinians' are clear and loud: 'this is our land, the Zionists must go, when we bomb school buses or kill civilians it's the Jew's own fault allahu akbar'. It is a looser strategy that does Israel more harm that good. Actual Zionists who value the Jewish state's continued existence enough to realize that the creation of judenrein islamofascist 'Palestine' would be both immoral and impossible are never heard of in the MSM...
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posted December 07, 2017 06:33 PM

too much "nazi" and "fascists" name calling slogans, my eyes bleed.  

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posted December 07, 2017 06:36 PM
Edited by Baronus at 18:38, 07 Dec 2017.

Baronus

As you see zionist really rules in USA! Its his power demonstrations. They want rules all the world. Banksters masons etc. Yes mony rules but Zionists rules in banks! Bank is a Great Temple of Baa for money.

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posted December 07, 2017 06:38 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 18:38, 07 Dec 2017.

As somebody who is part Jewish and a member of the Zionist plot, let me be the first to say that your attempts to stop us do not have a chance of success.
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posted December 07, 2017 06:51 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 19:41, 07 Dec 2017.

@sal:

I don't seem to have much trouble finding media criticism of Israeli colonization of Palestinian communities. You won't find so much on conservative outlets but that is because ideologically they are more sympathetic to Israel.

It's not front and center on the news because there are injustices happening all over the world and Israel gets disproportionate amounts of attention as it is. As we are speaking right now there are Christian communities literally getting raped and brutalized with the government turning a blind eye and it's not on the news much because nobody cares, especially in Europe where it is standard etiquette to be self-depracating.

Israel enjoys leverage but not as much leverage as Saudi Arabia gets, who is literally supplying weapons and mercenaries for a civil war as we speak. They're both American allies/pets and as long as they concede to X, Y, and Z, then the alliance is going to stay intact unless they do something really wild.

Is it unjust? Yep. Are Palestinians being treated unfairly? Yep. Do large segments of trailer trash Middle Eastern Muslims want to commit genocide on Israel? Also yep.
So good luck fixing the problem. People have been trying for awhile.

Is this unique to Israel? No.
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posted December 07, 2017 07:10 PM

Our Lady ( polish original and translator):

Quote:
Syjoni&#347;ci b&#281;d&#261; coraz bardziej prowokowa&#263;, by zdoby&#263; wzgórze &#347;wi&#261;tynne. Kiedy wojska otocz&#261; ze wszystkich stron Jerozolim&#281;,
wiedzcie, &#380;e og&#322;osz&#261; oni swojego „mesjasza” i wybuduj&#261; o&#322;tarz ofiarny. To doprowadzi do powa&#380;nego konfliktu, który podburzy
narody spod znaku pó&#322;ksi&#281;&#380;yca.


The Zionists will increasingly provoke, to get the hill temple. When the troops from all sides surround
Jerusalem, know that they announce their "messiah" and build a sacrificial altar. This will lead to
serious conflict, which stir up nations from the sign of the crescent.

Quote:
Izrael jako pot&#281;ga militarna b&#281;dzie coraz bardziej manifestowa&#263; swoj&#261; si&#322;&#281;, mówi&#261;c o swoim przeznaczeniu po&#347;ród wszystkich
narodów ziemi. W ten sposób b&#281;dzie udowadnia&#263;, &#380;e czas jego „mesja&#324;skiego przeznaczenia” wype&#322;nia si&#281;. To wszystko zosta&#322;o
ju&#380; dok&#322;adnie przygotowane, poniewa&#380; zmiana rz&#261;dów w krajach s&#261;siaduj&#261;cych z Izraelem zosta&#322;a zaplanowana. Wszelkie
dzia&#322;ania s&#322;u&#380;&#261; do wywo&#322;ania wi&#281;kszego konfliktu, by wci&#261;gn&#261;&#263; coraz wi&#281;cej narodów w jego plany.


Israel as a military power will become increasingly manifest his power, speaking about his destiny
among all the nations of the earth. This will prove that the time of his "messianic destiny" fills up.
That everything has been carefully prepared, since the change of government in the neighboring
countries of Israel was planned. All activities are designed to induce a greater conflict to draw more
and more nations in his plans.

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Moje kochane dzieci, pami&#281;tajcie, &#380;e zmilitaryzowany Izrael nie my&#347;li o pokoju, gdy&#380; tylko w [atmosferze] chaosu i prowokacji
mo&#380;e og&#322;osi&#263; swojego fa&#322;szywego „mesjasza”. Dwa &#347;wi&#281;te miasta, [Jerozolima i Rzym], stan&#261; si&#281; scen&#261;, gdzie nie b&#281;dzie
widoczne &#347;wiat&#322;o prawdy. Bóg dopu&#347;ci, aby w&#322;a&#347;nie tam okaza&#322;o swoj&#261; pot&#281;g&#281; z&#322;o, by w ten sposób dokona&#322; si&#281; podzia&#322; na tych,
którzy s&#261; wytrwali w wierze, oraz na w&#261;tpi&#261;cych i niezdecydowanych. Próba, która wyjdzie z tych dwóch miast, jest znakiem nie
tylko podzia&#322;u, lecz tak&#380;e przemiany


My dear children, remember that Israel is militarized, not thoughts of peace, because only in [the
atmosphere] of chaos and provocation can announce their false "messiah." Two holy city [Jerusalem
and Rome] will become the stage where it will be seen the light of truth. God permits that's where his
power was evil and thus made a distinction between those who are steadfast in the faith, and the
doubters and undecided. Attempt, which will come out of these two cities is a sign not only the
distribution but also transformation.


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posted December 07, 2017 07:28 PM
Edited by AnkVaati at 19:29, 07 Dec 2017.

Oh my God @Baronus... what are you doing - have you learnt nothing from Poland's history? As a European you should be more worried about a certain other religion.

Hindus, Jews, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Pagans etc. have the same interests as Christians. Splintering the west is only in the interests of communists and islamists. Most Traditional Catholics I know seem to realize this as well. The saints had a lot to say about Islam you know...
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posted December 07, 2017 07:30 PM

Blizzardboy said:
@sal:I don't seem to have much trouble finding media criticism of Israeli colonization of Palestinian communities.


Well, America is very different, fortunately. Where I live, journalists criticizing Israel are no longer invited and black listed - Galaad can confirm, showmen joking on Israel/jews have their shows cancelled then prosecuted, bloggers have their blogs deleted, people saying that earth is plate are considered clowns but when saying the holocaust didn't exist they are thrown in prison due to some dumb law, then to the usual accusation of racism, a new wacky term was invented, the anti-Semitic. So you don't have to convince me about some "conspiracy" I support, as I said it doesn't bother me to extreme as those jews in key jobs didn't seize their jobs, if you work harder and become better, you can replace them.

And about Israel doing what others do as well, no. There are 60+ UN resolution condemning Israel for its present and past actions, show me who else got that record. I am however torn on such matters, as after seeing Arab immigration disastrous effects on EU, I understand better the complexity around Israel defending itself and being surrounded. But also such people uses the past oppression and genocide to get a free card for doing whatever it pleases them, then when you object, you are remembered the '30 era.
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posted December 07, 2017 07:40 PM

Salamandre said:
There are 60+ UN resolution condemning Israel for its present and past actions, show me who else got that record.
So you're gonna trust the dominant bloc of third-world dictators (many of the communists) inside the UN, who think that the west owes them everything and is the cause of their failures, as the world's best truth-tellers? The same people who put the Saudis in a committee for human rights and stuff?

Rather it shows us how much we need a UN only for westen democracies...
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posted December 07, 2017 07:48 PM
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Salamandre said:
Blizzardboy said:
@sal:I don't seem to have much trouble finding media criticism of Israeli colonization of Palestinian communities.


Well, America is very different, fortunately. Where I live, journalists criticizing Israel are no longer invited and black listed - Galaad can confirm, showmen joking on Israel/jews have their shows cancelled then prosecuted, bloggers have their blogs deleted, people saying that earth is plate are considered clowns but when saying the holocaust didn't exist they are thrown in prison due to some dumb law, then to the usual accusation of racism, a new wacky term was invented, the anti-Semitic. So you don't have to convince me about some "conspiracy" I support, as I said it doesn't bother me to extreme as those jews in key jobs didn't seize their jobs, if you work harder and become better, you can replace them.

And about Israel doing what others do as well, no. There are 60+ UN resolution condemning Israel for its present and past actions, show me who else got that record. I am however torn on such matters, as after seeing Arab immigration disastrous effects on EU, I understand better the complexity around Israel defending itself and being surrounded. But also such people uses the past oppression and genocide to get a free card for doing whatever it pleases them, then when you object, you are remembered the '30 era.


@sal:

That is because authentic anti-Semitism is rampant in France. Do a Google search on Jews leaving France. They want out because the country's Vichy past is very much alive today. The problem you have from that is that when you have so much lewd anti-Semitism, it becomes increasingly difficult even to talk about legitimate criticism towards the Israeli state because the two often end up blended together. The conversation gets heated quickly and shuts down.

The US doesn't have that  history so it is much easier to talk about the subject in a cool-headed manner.


As for the UN resolutions against Israel that keep getting vetoed by its benefactor in the States: the reason there are so many resolutions is because Israel is a developed country with a strong rule of law and ties to Europe and the US. Trust me: you could pass over 10 times as many resolutions in various African, Asian, or Latin American countries, but that doesn't happen because for the time being the situation is so ****ed that is seen as a lost cause and the UN simply doesn't bother because it would just make those countries want to leave.
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posted December 07, 2017 07:51 PM

Blizzardboy said:
@sal:

I don't seem to have much trouble finding media criticism of Israeli colonization of Palestinian communities. You won't find so much on conservative outlets but that is because ideologically they are more sympathetic to Israel.

It's not front and center on the news because there are injustices happening all over the world and Israel gets disproportionate amounts of attention as it is. As we are speaking right now there are Christian communities literally getting raped and brutalized with the government turning a blind eye and it's not on the news much because nobody cares, especially in Europe where it is standard etiquette to be self-depracating.

Israel enjoys leverage but not as much leverage as Saudi Arabia gets, who is literally supplying weapons and mercenaries for a civil war as we speak. They're both American allies/pets and as long as they concede to X, Y, and Z, then the alliance is going to stay intact unless they do something really wild.

Is it unjust? Yep. Are Palestinians being treated unfairly? Yep. Do large segments of Middle Eastern Muslims want to commit genocide on Israel? Also yep.
So good luck fixing the problem. People have been trying for awhile.

Is this unique to Israel? No.


The thing is there is no 'problem', people here have invented rather strange idealistic morals and then have the nerve to actually believe their own cookie cutter crap, which is fine if we didn't live in a democracy where these delusions have 'some' weight.

There is a solution to conflict, there is a way to 'peace' (but it's not a problem, we don't do it to stop people butchering each other, we do it because it's the job we're cut out for, the moral kick from conflict resolution just there to keep us warm at night), but for that we have to compromise - negotiate and most of all understand (which is well beyond most), this requires a non-judgmental calculating attitude that can analyse all the relevant variables (this is so damn crucial, too often our focus is so misplaced simply due to our own disposition - perhaps the way we're wired, we see what we want to see, without realizing we tunnel vision). For instance, the Cuban missile crisis, that took some serious out of the box thinking and that zero-sum situation was resolved soundlessly lol with just a small change in attitude (small understanding of the other conflicting party), it was a potentially world ending scenario that ended up being a victory for both parties, give and take - above all understand and compromise.

The solution to the Israel/Palestinian conflict will be borne from a specially dedicated individual/group/institution (etc) that can discern the true desires and motives of the conflicting parties (through actual analysis), then remedy the situation through compromises. The problem is that Palestine has almost no leverage with Israel. Jews are particularly effective at setting up situations where the focus is on them, you rely on them or they steal from you, but not vice versa, which puts other parties at a significant disadvantage. This is extremely effective and desirable to maximize one's own security, but it's so heavy handed that no wonder their kind has been hated since records began. That said they have the right of it, simply because they do, Palestinians if they had any sense would not long to return to a world that is long gone, they live in a perpetual delusion that something that has long not been theirs is still theirs, it's absurd and they'll continue to burn from their ignorance.
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posted December 07, 2017 08:01 PM
Edited by AnkVaati at 20:07, 07 Dec 2017.

Salamandre said:


That is because authentic anti-Semitism is rampant in France. Do a Google search on Jews leaving France. They want out because the country's Vichy past is very much alive today. The problem you have from that is that when you have so much lewd anti-Semitism, it becomes increasingly difficult even to talk about legitimate criticism towards the Isareli state because the two often end up blended together.

The US doesn't have that  history so it is much easier to talk about the subject in a cool-headed manner.
Perhaps France should its election system so that liberal/moderate nationalists who have been successful in other European countries actually stood a chance of getting representation...

Sweden Democrats could have a beautiful young lady of Polish-Jewish heritage as their leader in a couple of years... while the FN still have people like Bruno Gollnisch around..
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