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Salamandre
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posted December 07, 2017 08:10 PM

Blizzardboy said:
that is because authentic anti-Semitism is rampant in France. Do a Google search on Jews leaving France. They want out because the country's Vichy past is very much alive today.


Absolutely false. Every search and report show that anti-semitism in France is directly triggered by Arab immigration, Jews quit France because of Muslims. But my point wasn't about that, but on the fact that a certain lobby influence is so powerful that we invented a new term to emphasis racism, anti-Semitic. When people are racists on Africans or whatever, there is no need of a new term.  

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posted December 07, 2017 08:15 PM

Sal said:
I understand better the complexity around Israel defending itself and being surrounded. But also such people uses the past oppression and genocide to get a free card for doing whatever it pleases them, then when you object, you are remembered the '30 era.

Too much "crazy" and religious non-sense in this thread already to go through everything one by one but just let me remind you that I am also critical of Israel politics, I was quite straight forward about that when discussing it with Israeli members of this community. To say "zionists rule the world" does not fall under the category of rational criticism though, and that part is indeed originating from the '30's Nazi propaganda.
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posted December 07, 2017 08:16 PM
Edited by Geny at 20:23, 07 Dec 2017.

Side-note: Jew =/= Zionist.


On topic: I wish Trump kept his declarations to himself. This was a purely political move with no actual substance, but while the politicians pat each other on the back, this little statement will cause unrest and going by prior experience people will probably die because of it.
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Salamandre
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posted December 07, 2017 08:21 PM

artu said:
To say "zionists rule the world" does not fall under the category of rational criticism though,


oh come on, it was only a figure of speech, to explain why Trump needs a solid support when isolated. Their lobby is very powerful, I do not literally believe they rule the world.

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posted December 07, 2017 08:27 PM

@Geny

As far as I know, Israel already considers its capital Jerusalem but the world does not recognize this officially, so all the embassies are at Tel Aviv. What Trump does now is to recognize Israel's stance. While I agree, it is just provocative and unnecessary, especially at the moment (although the moment isnt so unique after all, this conflict is quite like a chronic migraine), do you, then, hold the position that your country should declare its capital as Tel Aviv and be done with it?
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posted December 07, 2017 08:35 PM

I do not. That Israel considers Jerusalem to be its capitol is a well known fact and unlike the settlement policies, it never comes up as a problem (the future of Jerusalem does, but not Israel's current state on it). What I speak against here is not the stance itself, it is the change in it. Radical and controversial changes are needed to make progress, but in this particular case I just cannot see how it benefits anything.
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posted December 07, 2017 08:49 PM

Salami said:
Then one thing bothers me, why do YOU care?


Dude, this AlQods, Jerusalem, the saint city, the holy land. It doesn't mean anything to you, yeah, but to me it means a lot. Jerusalem is far more valuable than any of my country's cities.
Plus Arabs are actually one nation, divided into 22 yes, but still one anyway.


lol that reminds me of what Golda Meir said to Boumédiene: "If you're a Berber, what are you doing in Palestine? If you're an Arab, what are you doing in Barbaria?".
Upon the creation of OLP (organisation for the liberation of Palestine) in Algiers, he said something like: "we are with palestine, be her right or wrong".


You know me Salamandre, I'm no Egyptian traitor, Morrocan slave or Syrian farmer, docile, beni oui-oui and all that. I'm Algerian and when something like that happens it burns in me I can't let it go like that. An ultimate provocation of a stupid president who hasn't any idea of what he's doing, just following his team's directives that one's sure. What I bemoan is the unrest this will create, not only in middle east but also here, and there where you are. If as you say Macron starts going a wee bit too much on the Israelis side, you know what Algerians are gonna do. We are terrorists man and then we'll go for another series of killing, killing people that are innocent of this political move. Everything is related you see, what happens far away can affect you where you are.


Sure peace was not really going to achieved anytime soon, but this is an ultimate stop to it.
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posted December 07, 2017 08:54 PM

Yeah. And Constantinople matters a lot to Christians. So Turks should be expelled from there. Because that would be worth the cost of lives since the place is 'holy' and should not be defiled by those haram infidels....

(Honestly, just move the Palestinians to the other side of the Jordan river and be done with it. For all of humanity's sake. )
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Kipshasz
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posted December 07, 2017 08:55 PM

It's a provocation from the Trumpster. Nothing more than a obvious bait for a pretext to bomb islamists back into the early stone age.

They try to pull anything funny - more MOABs on their heads. Gotta use 'em while they haven't expired.
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Salamandre
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posted December 07, 2017 08:57 PM

AlHazin said:
you know what Algerians are gonna do. We are terrorists man and then we'll go for another series of killing, killing people that are innocent of this political move. Everything is related you see, what happens far away can affect you where you are.
Sure peace was not really going to achieved anytime soon, but this is an ultimate stop to it.


There are far more effective ways to deal with that, getting educated, then become journalist, then become more powerful until finally your voice counts and is heard. In my view, terrorism is exactly what lobbies hope to trigger, as this is one more reason to go to war then get those precious resources. Look what is going in Israel, Hamas bombs the jews, then in retaliation they colonize, again and again. For every rocket you launch you lose land, and will continue until there will be none or not enough anymore to claim any state. One doesn't have to be very smart to not see that. They use your hate against you.

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posted December 07, 2017 08:59 PM

Kipshasz said:
It's a provocation from the Trumpster. Nothing more than a obvious bait for a pretext to bomb islamists back into the early stone age.

They try to pull anything funny - more MOABs on their heads. Gotta use 'em while they haven't expired.
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While we're at it... Copts, Arameans, Assyrians (ie. the native peoples who didn't adopt the religion and language of their opressive conquerors) - maybe they deserve their own countries as well. Arabs are supposed to live in Arabia for all I know, and it's a perfect place for them. No one else would want to live there... they can live as they please with only their own kin...
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posted December 07, 2017 09:11 PM

@Sal: that’s what reasonable people do. Most people are not reasonable that’s the problem.

There is no solution, all this **** will clash some day, it will end in war in the Middle East, absolutely no other possible outcome.

Rather sad. Everyone forgets how Middle East is such a beautiful region of this world. Now known only for clashes and perpetual unrest.

Hey Geny, do you think we’ll have to meet someday in the battlefield? Would you shoot me while I’m holding the banner HC?
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posted December 07, 2017 09:15 PM
Edited by LizardWarrior at 21:21, 07 Dec 2017.

Jesus Christ, Jerusalem was already the de facto capital of Israel for years now. Just because the US embassy moves or Trumps says something won't change anything. No matter the president, both Clinton and Trump, whoever would have won, would be 100% pro-Israel, Clinton even said US would retaliate with a nuclear strike against Palestine.

All those muslim countries around Israel should just suck it up, it's not like they didn't take all that land in the middle east by conquest. Israel is the rightful owner of Jerusalem, wherever Palestine or the "international" community like it or not, it was theirs to begin it and then they reconquered the city. Dare the arab nations attack or do something equally stupid, it's not like Israel didn't single handedly btfo'd 7 arab nations, nor do I believe that (the rich countries) countries who are good on terms with US (like Saudi Arabia) would intervene.

There's gonna be no nuclear Armageddon there, which capable country would actually support Palestine or Turkey or Iran or another of those "crybaby" countries? We are talking about someone that could go toe to toe with US. The answer is no one, While in Syria there is some gas pipe that attracts both US and Russia, there's no such interest at the Dead Sea.


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posted December 07, 2017 09:17 PM

Well, I don't think we'll actually meet, but I might send some missiles your way. And unfortunately by the time I'll be able to decipher what you got on your banner it will be too late.
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posted December 07, 2017 09:19 PM
Edited by AnkVaati at 21:21, 07 Dec 2017.

Lol according to Sultan Erdogan - who's been supporting jihads in Syria like Ahrar-al-Sham, Al-Nusra (AQ), probably tacitly IS and the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya (and probably a few more Islamist savages) - Trump is 'adding fuel to the fire to the conflict in the region'.

If Hamas manages to incite a third intifada and raise the savages to kill Jewish civilians once again, I really hope the Israelis have guts to finally expel those Arabs who want a 'Palestine' once and for all so that there can be peace. No more blood should be spilled for their dream of an ahistorical Judenrein islamofascist state in the historical homeland of the Jewish people. We don't need another failed state to send tax money too in foreign aid that threatens the existence of one of the greatest nations on the planet.

Do You Pass the Israel Test?

^ Great video. When faced with success like that of the genius of the Jewish people, you can either admire it and chose to emulate it, or feel it diminishes you and resent it, react violently etc.

'Palestine' is all about not passing the Israel test.

Oh and I'm sure the Middle east could be a perfectly nice region... if it abandoned Islam... It was the cradle of civilization once, after all, before it was brutally raped by the followers of the warlord of Makkah. We should thank God or whatever we believe in that the Indian peoples successfully resisted the ways of their brutal conquerors and still is a great civilization - where the Babylonians, the Carthaginians, Egyptians, Persians, Byzantines etc. - all those great civilizations, were destroyed and replaced with the barbarity of a genocidal fascist ideology that has no place in any modern liberal democracy.
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posted December 07, 2017 09:19 PM

USA embassy in Lybia: burnt.

Let the fun begin...
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posted December 07, 2017 09:24 PM

If USA wouldn't have overthrown Gaddafi or Saddam, (and maybe support Persia to suppress Islamic revolution) those things would never happen. US seems like it shoots itself in the foot.
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posted December 07, 2017 09:25 PM

AlHazin said:
USA embassy in Lybia: burnt.

Let the fun begin...
Ah... the people who sell black refugees as slaves. Yeh - they fit nicely in the 'bloodthirsty savage club' along with 'Palestinians'.
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posted December 07, 2017 09:38 PM

@Ank: if you’re here to keep throwing provocative anti-Arab one lines I suggest you leave me alone. I prefer more meaningful exchanges.

@Liz: saying Jerusalem belongs to Jews is like Saying Mecca belongs to Saudi Arabia and Varican city to Italy. If I took Vatican and stopped you from reaching it you’d understand. Say what you want Israel has been crafted in pain and a lot of people suffered from it.

Oh and I can single all of Europe with errr Zimbabwe’s army if I’m backed up by USA. Yeah, Israel « singled » us. When I say things will end in blatant I don’t give pronostics on the outcome. If you can do so, I suggest you to get recruited in the strongest armies’ headquarters of this planet.
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posted December 07, 2017 09:45 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 21:57, 07 Dec 2017.

Geny said:

On topic: I wish Trump kept his declarations to himself. This was a purely political move with no actual substance, but while the politicians pat each other on the back, this little statement will cause unrest and going by prior experience people will probably die because of it.


Sounds about right. Except replace 'probably' with 'will'. People will die.

Don't expect an apology from Washington either. He knew full well that it would make **** get real.
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