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Thread: Is it worse to be racially abused than just simply abused? This thread is 4 pages long: 1 2 3 4 · «PREV / NEXT»
kiryu133
kiryu133

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posted January 09, 2018 07:35 PM

JollyJoker said:
You say yourself it's not. Calling someone the n-word is NOT worse than calling someone a fa...t, is what you say. And in THAT regard calling someone a "retard" is basically coming from the same corner, because there ARE retarded people, and calling people that way is marginalizing the retarded. It shows that retarded are in low regard.


I kept the list short but yes you are correct that neurodivergents should be a part of it. There are many axis of privilege and oppression that people might fall under. For example, me personally am a gay autistic woman. That puts me on at least 3 axis of oppression and referring to any of these in any sort of insulting way is insulting to me and people like me as well as a way of oppressing us. It enforces held beliefs that it's "ok" to abuse people because of these things when it is, in fact, anything but. It's not ok to abuse anyone for anything but when it's to push marginalized people down further it is worse because it's a way of oppression.
I am also white which means I have little say in anything about racism or knowing how people of colour feel or are marginalized by society. That's not something I can comfortably talk about as I have not experienced it.

(And no, you can't be sexist against men for example since men already enjoy a higher hierarchical status on behalf of their gender and you can't be racist against white people for the same reasons. It's a question of weather you're punching up or down and on that white cis straight men are ALWAYS on top)
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OhforfSake
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posted January 09, 2018 07:40 PM

Racism and sexism are both forms of discrimination. No one are automatically immune to be discriminated against.

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fred79
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posted January 09, 2018 07:48 PM

OhforfSake said:
Signatures most usually aren't meant to be taken seriously, but are more, I think, tongue-in-cheek.

Edit: I have also seen signatures used to honor or tease other members through "quotes" or used as a link reference to something the person finds important.


yeah, and i've said a lot of things that were tongue-in-cheek that were taken in a negative light. even if that were the case here(it'd be great if it were, but i doubt it), it's still incorrect to view anything as worse if it's done with a different thought in mind. like i said, thought-crime is a slippery slope, and we're already headed there because of special-interest groups(who are just playing into the hands of the controllers). to say that any crime or act is worse merely based on the belief behind it doesn't make logical sense. the severity of the crime or act should be what is judged; not the fact that special interest groups want to tack on another charge because they feel like they've been SPECIALLY slighted. if i get shot by somebody, i'm not really going to care WHY they did it, only THAT they did it. the WHY'S could fill pages; WHY'S are fluid, and can be manipulated based on who reports it or who you talk to. WHAT is concrete, and cannot. laws aren't about "why's", they're about "what's".

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fred79
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posted January 09, 2018 07:56 PM
Edited by fred79 at 20:29, 09 Jan 2018.

kiryu133 said:
(And no, you can't be sexist against men for example since men already enjoy a higher hierarchical status on behalf of their gender and you can't be racist against white people for the same reasons. It's a question of weather you're punching up or down and on that white cis straight men are ALWAYS on top)


yeah, that is ABSOLUTELY wrong. that people believe this for whatever reason really tests my patience. that people are bullied into believing this by the very people that claim to be bullied, is even worse.


edit: come to think of it, that statement's also racist AND sexist. way to go, moderator.

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Salamandre
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posted January 09, 2018 08:41 PM

Well, the accurate question and answer about racism is which kind of society offers better opportunities and chances to succeed for a black person (or any color, white, yellow, any), a majorly black society or a majorly white society. No society is perfect, but I think people who keep bashing on the only one who did enormous efforts to improve, question itself and even sacrifice its own interests in favor of others, are indeed autistic.  

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JollyJoker
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posted January 09, 2018 08:45 PM
Edited by JollyJoker at 20:53, 09 Jan 2018.

@ artu
Jews are no RACE, though...

Which means, we are already in agreement, that racial abuse isn't worse than others - depends on the sensivity.

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Elvin
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posted January 10, 2018 05:17 AM

kiryu133 said:
I am also white which means I have little say in anything about racism or knowing how people of colour feel or are marginalized by society. That's not something I can comfortably talk about as I have not experienced it.

Take a trip to South Africa. White people are not safe even if they were born there and their business are being boycotted. The fact that you do not see racism where you live, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Kipshasz
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posted January 10, 2018 04:44 PM

Elvin said:
kiryu133 said:
I am also white which means I have little say in anything about racism or knowing how people of colour feel or are marginalized by society. That's not something I can comfortably talk about as I have not experienced it.

Take a trip to South Africa. White people are not safe even if they were born there and their business are being boycotted. The fact that you do not see racism where you live, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


There is no racism in the rape capital of the world. There is no racism where cops have to get military grade gear to enter some neighborhoods in certain cities (Malmo).

Sweden is a mess. It's not even Sverigestani Caliphate anymore, it's more like Swemalia at this point. A festering, failing state. Because it's better to commit nationwide suicide, than to appear "racist" to all the "asylum seekers" who have criminal intents. So, actually there's plenty of racism in Sweden, but they ignore it, thinking it'll go away. Tell that to the parents of a 15 year old, who got backstabbed by a "asylum seeker" in school, for standing up for some girls that were harassed by the murderer. and the murderer got away scot free, because tolerance and acceptance.

The "hip, rpogressive and tolerant" part of Swemalia don't see the obvious anti-white racism, even when they're being murdered by clearly racist immigrants. Hoobleepingray, GG, WP.
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blizzardboy
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posted April 11, 2018 09:34 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 09:48, 11 Apr 2018.

Acts of hatred rooted on identity (race, sex, sexual orientation, nationality, language) are almost always worse psychologically for a person than general hatred or insults.

i.e. Somebody losing their temper and insulting you because of a traffic accident vs somebody insulting you because of your race. I guarantee the later will sink deeper into you because it isnt a circumstantial argument, but it is instead interpreted as an attack upon your personhood. It is an insult of a deeply personal nature.
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blizzardboy
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posted April 11, 2018 09:40 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 10:03, 11 Apr 2018.

JollyJoker said:
@ artu
Jews are no RACE, though...



The point is more-or-less irrelevant, since "race" is simply a vernacular (and not very accurate) way of describing similar genetic patterns in groups of people based on commom ancestry. If you take a DNA test and analysis, they are able to differentiate and determine different groups of Jewish people in different parts of the world among the Jewish diaspora and which one you belong to.


It is also (often) a core to that person's identity.
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blizzardboy
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posted April 11, 2018 10:24 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 10:30, 11 Apr 2018.

fred79 said:
kiryu133 said:
(And no, you can't be sexist against men for example since men already enjoy a higher hierarchical status on behalf of their gender and you can't be racist against white people for the same reasons. It's a question of weather you're punching up or down and on that white cis straight men are ALWAYS on top)


yeah, that is ABSOLUTELY wrong. that people believe this for whatever reason really tests my patience. that people are bullied into believing this by the very people that claim to be bullied, is even worse.


edit: come to think of it, that statement's also racist AND sexist. way to go, moderator.


I wouldnt call it all absolutely wrong, just oversimplified. ("women cant be sexist" is clearly insane and Ill leave that be)

It is the reality in the vast majority of cases that discrimination is worse for minorities than it is for the majority, because the surrounding culture supports and cushions you and it is rare to be the only member of your race in a room, or, for example, for your boss/bosses not to share your race or ethnicity. It takes a certain level of humility to imagine yourself in those shoes to realize racism is generally worse for minorities.

But yeah, it is still false that whites arent subject to racism.
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blob2
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posted April 11, 2018 11:40 AM
Edited by blob2 at 11:47, 11 Apr 2018.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/04/09/the-simpsons-made-its-apu-problem-even-worse

Articles like this are what's tilting me. A 30-year old series which is built around stereotypes is being bashed because it didn't "take the right, politically correct" stance. Yeah like, none of us were bullied in this or another way because we were different in some way. Like you weren't called a character from some popular at that time series because of some resemblance. And this is something you will nowadays find even on a (mostly) gaming site. Sign of times.

To some extent I enjoyed reading through the comments under this article. It shows that at least a part of American society thinks rationally.

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OhforfSake
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posted April 11, 2018 11:47 AM

I didn't remember what apu meant, so at first I read it as A.P.U.

blob2 said:

To some extent I enjoyed reading through the comments under this article.


Number of comments below article: 0. Are you feeling alright?

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blob2
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posted April 11, 2018 11:50 AM
Edited by blob2 at 11:51, 11 Apr 2018.

OhforfSake said:
Number of comments below article: 0. Are you feeling alright?


Well, I see like 1,7 k comments. Maybe check you're browser, they are using some plugin (called Coraltalk?) for comments section...

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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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posted April 11, 2018 12:09 PM

blob2 said:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/04/09/the-simpsons-made-its-apu-problem-even-worse

Articles like this are what's tilting me. A 30-year old series which is built around stereotypes is being bashed because it didn't "take the right, politically correct" stance. Yeah like, none of us were bullied in this or another way because we were different in some way. Like you weren't called a character from some popular at that time series because of some resemblance. And this is something you will nowadays find even on a (mostly) gaming site. Sign of times.

To some extent I enjoyed reading through the comments under this article. It shows that at least a part of American society thinks rationally.


The regressive commie soyflakes are outraged by pretty much everything these days.
Remember the screeching they emitted over the "Ugandan Knuckles" meme?
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fred79
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posted April 11, 2018 02:42 PM

blob2 said:
Like you weren't called a character from some popular at that time series because of some resemblance.


i know, right. my stepbrother used to call me "remy" because i looked like(to him, anyway) that guy from "higher learning" who became a nazi and shot up the school. i hated being affiliated by someone so weak-willed and controllable; not to mention, being a nazi. but despite the fact that my stepbrother was mixed(half-black, half-white), i didn't think him racist for it. he and his friends used to call me "powder"(from the movie powder, obviously) too, lol. once i realized it was a comaraderie thing, i started firing back with my own jokes. and i got damn good at it, too. but i've been out of practice for so long now, that i'm pathetic at it. for the most part, anyway. every now and then i get a good zinger in on someone.

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OhforfSake
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posted April 11, 2018 02:46 PM

Are you sure powder wasn't more along the lines of the powder puff girls?

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fred79
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posted April 11, 2018 03:08 PM

nope. because it's the "power puff girls", not the "powder puff girls". you better recognize.

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blob2
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posted April 11, 2018 03:39 PM
Edited by blob2 at 15:42, 11 Apr 2018.

Well, in my childhood years I was called by a diminutive of my second name which was usually associated with someone dull or even a bum. It was used in some fairy tales even. It seems silly now, but I was very tilted by this at that time. I think this was more about the context then the meaning itself (I was easy to make fun of at that time as I was quick to "erupt"). This shows that you can be 'bullied' by virtually anything. Should I sue my long-time friends for "moral damage"? Or the authors of children's books (cause the name 'rhymed' with their fictional characters trait, you know like silly Willy etc.)?

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fred79
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posted April 11, 2018 03:46 PM

well, think about how europeans call americans "burgers". i don't really care about it; burgers are great. and besides the hot dog(which i think is more american than burgers), it IS the defining american food. over on 4chan(and especially on /pol, which is an international board), americans are called "burgers", and europeans are called "europoors/eurocucks"(i can't say what australians are called, because it's against the coc, lol). some might think it's a serious thing, but it's only because they believe the trolling that started the phrases in the first place.

lol, noobs.

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