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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: With Sword and Fire. Valeska
Thread: With Sword and Fire. Valeska This thread is 2 pages long: 1 2 · «PREV
bytes85
bytes85

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posted February 02, 2018 04:40 PM

thGryphn said:


Funny enough, it had not worked for me either in my first couple of tries. I don't remember why. Maybe I had focused on attacking the griffins, instead of the archers. Definitely keep attacking the archers for fast recovery. In the meantime, one griffin stack thins out with your retaliations. When the archer stack is almost finished, I started attacking the 9x Griffin stack which had not received any damage. It starts thinning out, and the other Griffin stack dies away, then the other stack comes in (Curse before first attack).



Did you have an artifact removing all morale bonuses from the other side? As someone reported here, there was an option to select it at the beginning. Apparently, I haven't done that. So the high morale makes it impossible for me. Yes, so far this approach seems like the best option considering the number of moves I can stand and the damage caused, but still when griffins get 3x morale bonuses and 1x archers, it just leads to this situation: http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/1300/CTsjZu.jpg

Yes, only 2 griffin stacks can attack me - see the third is waiting. And of course I'm using curse properly keeping all three stacks under it as early and as constantly as possible


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lutyee
lutyee

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posted February 02, 2018 05:31 PM

Blader87 said:
bytes85 said:

Hi,

somehow I was able to pass them with all archers split by 5 in each stack and 1 fly. I couldn't recreate the win, but it was split this way according to my saves



Thx for the adviece. I think my skills are not good enough to complete this. Now, I would like just to watch some gameplay video of this map I definitely give up.


I answered on maps4heroes too, but here:
https://imgur.com/a/1dcTG
attack 4 stack, they dont die, then attack with fly from right side, they still dont die but will with ur retaliation. 3 come up, 1 too archers, go down with fly, wait with archers, 2 stack come to archers, kill them and then last stack.
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thGryphn
thGryphn


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posted February 02, 2018 11:53 PM

bytes85 said:
thGryphn said:


Funny enough, it had not worked for me either in my first couple of tries. I don't remember why. Maybe I had focused on attacking the griffins, instead of the archers. Definitely keep attacking the archers for fast recovery. In the meantime, one griffin stack thins out with your retaliations. When the archer stack is almost finished, I started attacking the 9x Griffin stack which had not received any damage. It starts thinning out, and the other Griffin stack dies away, then the other stack comes in (Curse before first attack).



Did you have an artifact removing all morale bonuses from the other side? As someone reported here, there was an option to select it at the beginning. Apparently, I haven't done that. So the high morale makes it impossible for me. Yes, so far this approach seems like the best option considering the number of moves I can stand and the damage caused, but still when griffins get 3x morale bonuses and 1x archers, it just leads to this situation: http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/1300/CTsjZu.jpg

Yes, only 2 griffin stacks can attack me - see the third is waiting. And of course I'm using curse properly keeping all three stacks under it as early and as constantly as possible




I don't remember if it was the morale issue, but I used that artifact in the battle I won, so there were no morale triggers.


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Blader87
Blader87

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posted February 04, 2018 05:28 PM
Edited by Blader87 at 21:52, 04 Feb 2018.

bytes85 said:

I answered on maps4heroes too, but here:
https://imgur.com/a/1dcTG
attack 4 stack, they dont die, then attack with fly from right side, they still dont die but will with ur retaliation. 3 come up, 1 too archers, go down with fly, wait with archers, 2 stack come to archers, kill them and then last stack.


Thank you very much. Weird, I could swear that I had tried this tactics at some point, but found it ineffective. Well, I must have done sth wrong I'll try this today.

Edit: Yes, I finished the map today! It turns out that the only fight I was not able to win by myself was that with the horned demons, however, according to my play, it was like one hex movement away from the right decision Some of the remaining battles were challenging either (e.g. against the wyverns) but I eventually completed the map. Thx!
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Ebonheart
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Rush the rush
posted February 04, 2018 11:55 PM
Edited by Ebonheart at 23:57, 04 Feb 2018.

thGryphn said:
I understand it just fine, thank you.
You obviously don't considering your snide answer.

thGryphn said:
It just doesn't work. As I said, the archers take out 60 hitpoints off the 3x VL stack in round 1, which means they're now a 1.5x stack that becomes easy prey for the griffins. Further, there is simply no way to make it so that only one stack of griffins attack that 1.5x stack of VL. Each turn two of them attack it (it wouldn't be able to handle a single stack, even cursed, because it simply cannot recover fast enough), which means the third stack (instead of waltzing around doing nothing as you would hope, go after the 1x stack that's attacking the archers. That 1x stack, by the way, is dying off at the hands of the archers even without help from the griffins (you can tell by seeing their diminishing hit points).
So, your "tactic" fails in so many ways that I call it a complete BS, until you show me a video where you use it to beat this battle, at which point I'll know to apologize.

You do realise that this map is just like any other map. It has problems and solutions. I made it work just fine and I believe I have already helped out more than I got time for these days. Making video-tutorials for this old game is something I got neither time or interest for. Now if you can't seem to get the tactic to work then that's too bad, and yet no one is pointing a gun to your head forcing you to use the tactic I used. If you want to go and brand my tactic as BS then I suggest you first BS-mark your own ineptitude.

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