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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: What am I missing ?
Thread: What am I missing ?
Erdamon
Erdamon


Adventuring Hero
posted January 28, 2018 02:24 PM
Edited by Erdamon at 14:25, 28 Jan 2018.

What am I missing ?

Scenario is as follows:

Player A: Orb of Vulnerability and mixed troops
Player B: Black Dragons, Expert Earth Magic and Anti-Magic

How is player B not able to cast Anti-Magic on his B.Dragons ?

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Erdamon
Erdamon


Adventuring Hero
posted January 28, 2018 02:38 PM

No. Player inventory as following.
Also Anti-Magic is not a mind spell (?)



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Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted January 28, 2018 02:44 PM

Yeah, I figured out so removed. Test the situation in sod to see if not hota feature.
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Erdamon
Erdamon


Adventuring Hero
posted January 28, 2018 03:29 PM
Edited by Erdamon at 15:30, 28 Jan 2018.

So I've tried it in SoD, both with HD+ and without and the results are way worse. Not only did it not allow me to cast Anti-Magic on either player's dragons, but it only damaged the units of the Orb's wielder. Went then back to HotA and same effect. This is nuts. See for yourselves.

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Ranger_Gelu
Ranger_Gelu


Adventuring Hero
Looking for Armageddon's Blade
posted January 28, 2018 04:16 PM

Aren't Black Dragons immune to both damage and beneficial spells. Correct me if I'm wrong, because it's been a while since I played HoMM.

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Erdamon
Erdamon


Adventuring Hero
posted January 28, 2018 04:24 PM

Ranger_Gelu said:
Aren't Black Dragons immune to both damage and beneficial spells. Correct me if I'm wrong, because it's been a while since I played HoMM.


Normally, they are but one of the player wields the Orb of Vulnerability which, and I quote
Quote:
During combat, negates all the magic resistance and natural magic immunity of all creatures on the battlefield


The case here is Orb of Vulnerability acting weird, denying MR to only one of the players, or not completely denying the magic immunity  of creatures.

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Zmudziak22
Zmudziak22


Famous Hero
posted January 28, 2018 04:30 PM

Orb have strange mechanic. Player 2 (without orb ) cannot use antimagic withput welding orb but he can blind enemy immune troops like golems or dragons.

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Alyx182008
Alyx182008


Hired Hero
posted January 28, 2018 04:34 PM

Zmudziak22 said:
Orb have strange mechanic. Player 2 (without orb ) cannot use antimagic withput welding orb but he can blind enemy immune troops like golems or dragons.


Antimagic gives magic immunity, while the Orb takes the immunity away. Maybe this contradiction prevents the use of Antimagic.

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Promising
Famous Hero
posted January 28, 2018 04:38 PM

Maybe this will be helpfull http://heroes.thelazy.net/wiki/Orb_of_Vulnerability
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Ranger_Gelu
Ranger_Gelu


Adventuring Hero
Looking for Armageddon's Blade
posted January 28, 2018 04:46 PM

I guess the system got confused or something like that. I mean, I'm confused just as much as you are.

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RoseKavalier
RoseKavalier


Honorable
Famous Hero
posted February 02, 2018 05:09 PM
Edited by RoseKavalier at 17:10, 02 Feb 2018.

Probably not so much a bug as a coding oversight; I'd say game checks if target's owner has orb and applies new rules accordingly instead of checking if any of both heroes has it.
I can check later if nobody does before.
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thGryphn
thGryphn


Promising
Famous Hero
posted February 02, 2018 09:56 PM

Alyx182008 said:
Zmudziak22 said:
Orb have strange mechanic. Player 2 (without orb ) cannot use antimagic withput welding orb but he can blind enemy immune troops like golems or dragons.


Antimagic gives magic immunity, while the Orb takes the immunity away. Maybe this contradiction prevents the use of Antimagic.


I think this. The game apparently prioritizes the Orb higher than spells, in that you cannot render any stack immune to spells while the Orb is present.


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OhforfSake
OhforfSake


Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
posted February 02, 2018 10:58 PM
Edited by OhforfSake at 23:18, 02 Feb 2018.

A lot of unnecessary silly guesses that could be avoided if people would look for themselves before guessing.

As far as I can see, it does matter if attacker or defender holds the orb, e.g.

1) Attacker holds orbs and attacker summons fire elements. Both attacker and the defender can hurt the fire elements with fire spells.

2) Attacker holds orbs and defender summons fire elements. Only attacker can hurt the fire elements with fire spells.

3) Defender holds orbs and attacker summons fire elements. Only defender can hurt the fire elements with fire spells.

4) Defender holds orbs and defender summons fire elements. Only defender can hurt the fire elements with fire spells.

The scenario in this thread is scenario 3, so my guess is that only our opponent could cast Anti-Magic on his own Black Dragons if he had any.

Had your opponent attacked you on the other hand, it would be scenario 1, in which case I believe you would have been able to cast anti-magic on your Black Dragons.

This was only 5 minutes testing, so there may be more to it than that.

Edit: Sorry, I just realized you were attacked, and I see it is probably scenario 2 in stead of 1 since it's defenders creatures, not attackers, which likely means no matter what you have to hold the orb yourself to be able to cast spells on your Black Dragons.

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foerno
foerno


Hired Hero
posted May 20, 2018 09:45 PM

came across this bug in my recent game. i had orb of vulnerability and phoenixes in my army. my opponent had phoenixes and magic elementals. he cast armageddon which was powerful enough to kill every troop on the battlefield. however, only my troops died while his remained untouched. wtf? this sort of defies the purpose of this artifact, doesn't it?

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firespirit
firespirit


Famous Hero
with warm hands
posted May 22, 2018 05:17 PM

Did he have the sword Armageddon's Blade? The orb only negates natural immunity, so that would render the troops immune.
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foerno
foerno


Hired Hero
posted May 22, 2018 10:16 PM
Edited by foerno at 22:17, 22 May 2018.

firespirit said:
Did he have the sword Armageddon's Blade? The orb only negates natural immunity, so that would render the troops immune.


nope, this was not during a campaign, just a normal PvP game, where armageddon's blade is disabled (and no, he didn't have it).

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Evaline
Evaline


Known Hero
posted May 23, 2018 09:51 AM
Edited by Evaline at 09:56, 23 May 2018.

foerno said:
and no, he didn't have it

Are You sure? At the moment, many cheaters have divorced in PvP games. By the way, Armageddon's Blade can be easily obtained from Warrior's Tomb.

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Erdamon
Erdamon


Adventuring Hero
posted May 23, 2018 02:52 PM

Yes, I'm sure. It was all done in a test environment. Too bad the gifs are no longer hosted. I can recreate the test if you'd like and this time I'll film it.

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foerno
foerno


Hired Hero
posted May 24, 2018 08:09 PM

i'm also sure since the opponent gave me the pass and i tried it myself.

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