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Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted January 29, 2018 11:37 PM

Galaad said:
Instead of looking through the hidden paths of these lands...


Well, he did, he emailed me for a legal copy link.




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Baronus
Baronus


Supreme Hero
posted January 29, 2018 11:43 PM

Because Ubi dont bear costs for MM6-9 and H 1-4 and others. 1,3 mln its not a cost for about 10 games. 130 th $ for one. Try made new H3 for 130 th $... But they buy brand and earn H5-7 and other titles. So I must pay for nothing if I buy 10 games eg. for 10$ = 100$ and 100 th others buy its 10 mln. Nothing means not that its nothing. It means Ubi gives makes nothing and I must pay them?  For what? For nothing.

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pcastaneda
pcastaneda

Tavern Dweller
posted January 30, 2018 12:05 AM

Baronus said:
Because Ubi dont bear costs for MM6-9 and H 1-4 and others. 1,3 mln its not a cost for about 10 games. 130 th $ for one. Try made new H3 for 130 th $... But they buy brand and earn H5-7 and other titles. So I must pay for nothing if I buy 10 games eg. for 10$ = 100$ and 100 th others buy its 10 mln. Nothing means not that its nothing. It means Ubi gives makes nothing and I must pay them?  For what? For nothing.


They did not developed the games but they did buy the rights to sell them, is that part you have a problem with? If so how much money would it be ok for Ubisoft to make out of the property they bought?

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Ranger_Gelu
Ranger_Gelu


Adventuring Hero
Looking for Armageddon's Blade
posted January 30, 2018 12:15 AM

Salamandre said:
Galaad said:
Instead of looking through the hidden paths of these lands...


Well, he did, he emailed me for a legal copy link.






Noooooooooooo, why did you expose me?

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Baronus
Baronus


Supreme Hero
posted January 30, 2018 11:55 AM

Real full MM price is hard to calculate but for sure its not 1,3 mln. Its nonsence price if one copy of game only to download not physical production and distribution is for 50$ and 100000 gives 5 mln. This number is game fail rather than succes. I agree that Ubi can use brand and produce MM games and you should buy them if you like more Ubi MM, but they will never be a authors Jons games and I dont see reason tu give him money only because "rights". In game world we should pay for good work not for "rights" beacuse someone by bad coincidence get "rights". If we loose money for "rights" we dont buy games from real creators.

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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


Undefeatable Hero
Elvin's Darkside
posted January 30, 2018 12:00 PM

Maurice said:
In general, soliciting for or advocating software piracy is not condoned on these forums.

Regardless of personal feelings with regards to the current IP owner (yeah, mine isn't ... superb, either ), they still do own the rights to it and therefore, the old(er) games aren't freeware or abandonware.

Luckily, they're not expensive either.

I'll leave it at that.


pretty sure at least Heroes 1 is abandonware.

you could get it on abandonia.com at least a couple of years ago

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Promising
Supreme Hero
posted January 30, 2018 12:23 PM

Baronus said:
If we loose money for "rights" we dont buy games from real creators.


Everyday you use products that rights was shifted. You read books written many years ago, that originally was released for other publisher, you listen to music originally released by now not-existed companies, you ride a bike originally constructed by now not-existing industry... All you want is to deny to buy a legal copy for 13-years old kid who didn't have opportunity to buy a h3 copy 18 yeats ago.
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Baronus
Baronus


Supreme Hero
posted January 30, 2018 01:53 PM

And its bad because they earn money non working as normal people. Paymerpnt is for work! I told abuot moral not law. Law is often made by gangsters like concerns, banksters etc. for their money grbbing.
In NWC all is clear. Company non existing. I dont play Ubi games and dont pay Ubi! I paid 12$(to much) for Ubi rights and all payment is finished! Noone can forbid me play Jon games.

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Alyx182008
Alyx182008


Hired Hero
posted January 30, 2018 01:57 PM

avatar said:
Baronus said:
If we loose money for "rights" we dont buy games from real creators.


Everyday you use products that rights was shifted. You read books written many years ago, that originally was released for other publisher, you listen to music originally released by now not-existed companies, you ride a bike originally constructed by now not-existing industry... All you want is to deny to buy a legal copy for 13-years old kid who didn't have opportunity to buy a h3 copy 18 yeats ago.


Now I can't help but wonder how many 13 year olds are actually getting introduced to older titles of HoMM franchise these days.

At any case, I'd much rather have Heroes 3 still being sold on a site like GoG, even if some of the money goes to Ubi, than facing the risk of it disappearing completely.  

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Promising
Supreme Hero
posted January 30, 2018 02:07 PM

Baronus said:
And its bad because they earn money non working as normal people. Paymerpnt is for work! I told abuot moral not law.

You are not right. When 3D0 goes bankcrupcty, Ubi paid 'milion' bucks to the creators (JVC as well)  for rights owning. Imagine that nobody wanted to buy rights, JVC would left with any addidtional dollars and 3DO just ceased to exists. And then JVC had budget to organise his further file in other work for example. That quite fair, don't you think?
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Roman2211
Roman2211


Hired Hero
posted January 30, 2018 02:27 PM

For that matter, I repeat, we have the right to require a live multiplayer from Ubi, otherwise, we pay for "nothing"!

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Supreme Hero
posted January 30, 2018 02:31 PM
Edited by avatar at 14:32, 30 Jan 2018.

In HD Edition you have live multi...
On the other hand - try to buy legal digital copy of Diablo I.
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Maurice
Maurice

Hero of Order
Part of the furniture
posted January 30, 2018 02:38 PM

Baronus said:
Law is often made by gangsters like concerns, banksters etc. for their money grbbing.


It doesn't matter who makes the law. When it is applied, everyone has to adhere to it. Cherry picking which laws you follow and which you don't based on some feelings you might have ultimately leads to anarchy.

Baronus said:
I dont play Ubi games ...


Actually, if you play any of the Heroes games, you do play a Ubi game. When Ubisoft acquired the intellectual property of those games, they became Ubisoft games. It doesn't matter if you disagree with the way Ubisoft is run and how they treat their customers, they are the rightful owners of the software. It's their property now.
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Roman2211
Roman2211


Hired Hero
posted January 30, 2018 02:43 PM
Edited by Roman2211 at 14:47, 30 Jan 2018.

I do not play in H3HD Edition, there's no SoD (Complete), I'm waiting for the H4HD Edition, if it comes out, I sure to buy
These facts with any "HD Edition" also explain that the old versions should be free available

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Promising
Supreme Hero
posted January 30, 2018 02:44 PM
Edited by avatar at 14:46, 30 Jan 2018.

Roman2211 said:
For that matter, I repeat, we have the right to require a live multiplayer from Ubi, otherwise, we pay for "nothing"!

That's why Ubi don't sell h3 complete at all, so they don't have to ensure support of this game. Gog.com is 3rd party seller. H3 hd edition is steam powered so steam supports his servers.  
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Baronus
Baronus


Supreme Hero
posted January 30, 2018 03:07 PM

No! Bad law is anarchy! I dont want anarchy so I dont warn law which is bad. Logical. Beter would be if noone buy Jon right. Much much better! MM in Ubi hands it was evil accident. And Im not going to support evil by spending money to it! Horrible! You like this horror you buy Ubi games! But me not!

I can sell 3$ or 5$ for discount but...
I CANT PAY UBI BECAUSE I DONT WANT MORE UBI MM! IF I PAY THEM I TELL - GIVE ME MORE YOUR MM! AND I PAID THEM FOR RIGHTS 12$! UNDERSTAND! AND I WANT PLAY JON GAMES! ONLY MORAL WAY IS FREE DOWNLOAD!
 

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Promising
Supreme Hero
posted January 30, 2018 03:18 PM

Actually your proposal is a sort of anarchy
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Baronus
Baronus


Supreme Hero
posted January 30, 2018 05:07 PM

No its order.
Dont want Ubi games( MIGHT AND MAGIC! Assasins C is another thing) dont buy. I play nothing from Ubi MM.
You like Jon games? Play CQ and give them profits from eg. advertisment watching! Or gems buing.

Anarchy is you dont like Ubi games and dont more MM pay them for Jons games! not created for them! Very ,,logical". Anarchy in head.

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Ranger_Gelu
Ranger_Gelu


Adventuring Hero
Looking for Armageddon's Blade
posted January 31, 2018 02:14 AM

I didn't expect this thread to go this far...

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Ranger_Gelu
Ranger_Gelu


Adventuring Hero
Looking for Armageddon's Blade
posted February 09, 2018 01:21 PM

Phew, I guess we're all cool now

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