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Thread: what would you do if you were god? This thread is 5 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 · «PREV / NEXT»
Neraus
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posted February 12, 2018 12:27 AM
Edited by Neraus at 00:31, 12 Feb 2018.

I only played once as the Ottomans, got the achievement and left the game because it was too easy.
While in my run as the Papal States I had a lot of fun completing the Holy Trinity achievement since it meant manouvering around other extremely powerful nations.

I also did have fun by cheating as Sicily and Byzantium by crushing the eternal kebab, since in every other game they ruin my dreams of conquering the world, but I never complete those games because I don't feel like I need to do anything else.

The point being, cheats are fun to use to either spice up the game or to beat that obstacle that you can't ever seem to overcome.
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OhforfSake
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posted February 12, 2018 12:43 AM
Edited by OhforfSake at 00:45, 12 Feb 2018.

I played the civilization first game some time ago, never having played it before I played on the easiest challenge.

After seeing how the game worked, I changed tundra (I think) or some similar bad terrain to be super awesome. Created an island inside an island so the AI couldn't figure out how to get there, with all tundra, and then I played on hardest difficulty winning a tech victory without ever meeting the AI.

I don't remember what year, but it was most likely very bad.

In any case that was also fun enough to try, and I didn't have to spend nearly as many hours on the game as I did the other times.

Edit: I also found a version of dosbox with save states, which allowed me to complete many old dos games I could never complete.

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posted February 12, 2018 12:45 AM

I'd pay off my student loans.

Then join a band hahaha
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OhforfSake
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posted February 12, 2018 01:03 AM

@Stevie

I read your examples now (sorry I didn't before) and I realize we are of very different understanding of what the utopia world the machines refer to in the Matrix would be like.

Can you back up your examples are representative of what was mentioned in the movie, because I don't really remember the details?

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artu
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posted February 12, 2018 02:52 AM

His examples are objections to FredTheGod land, FredTheGod land claims, it is a utopia for humans. In Matrix, humans are cattle, the Matrix is designed by the machines, for the interest of the machines, to keep the humans docile and unaware. They are very different, even opposite contexts.
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tSar-Ivor
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posted February 12, 2018 03:03 AM


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Stevie
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posted February 12, 2018 03:23 AM

OhforfSake said:
@Stevie

I read your examples now (sorry I didn't before) and I realize we are of very different understanding of what the utopia world the machines refer to in the Matrix would be like.

Can you back up your examples are representative of what was mentioned in the movie, because I don't really remember the details?


I lost interest in the conversation, however unfortunate that might be.
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fred79
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posted February 12, 2018 09:15 AM

artu said:
His examples are objections to FredTheGod land, FredTheGod land claims, it is a utopia for humans. In Matrix, humans are cattle, the Matrix is designed by the machines, for the interest of the machines, to keep the humans docile and unaware. They are very different, even opposite contexts.


I was trying to understand that myself.

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OhforfSake
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posted February 12, 2018 12:16 PM

artu said:
His examples are objections to FredTheGod land, FredTheGod land claims, it is a utopia for humans.


I read both Fred's OP and Stevie's examples of objections to Fred's world (the scientist and the gamer), and I don't see how Stevie's examples follows from what Fred said.

@Stevie alright no probs, feel free to enter the conversation again if you wish. Otherwise thanks for the discussion.

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Maurice
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posted February 12, 2018 01:30 PM

After having read the discussion, I tend to agree with Stevie's point of view.

Basically, it boils down to the "survival of the fittest" concept. ALL life on the planet, no exception, has endured through the aeons on this principle alone. It's either adapt to changing environments with limited resources, or die and be left behind by the wayside.

That means that all life - human life included - is centered around the concepts of survival and procreation. Because of this, strife is a very core aspect of our existance; without it, we lose the definition of who we are, as a species. Or any species, for that matters.

If there are no limitations, no boundaries and no shortages of any kind - in other words, no sources of conflict - you take away the very essence of what life is all about. When you have everything that you would ever want or need available to you in infinite quantities at every moment in time, you start vegetating and you stop living. And as an aside, it's the very reason why the initial "heaven Matrix" setup failed (as stated by the Architect to Neo).

As such, yes, I would agree with Stevie that the world described in the OP is akin to hell. I wouldn't want to live in it.
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fred79
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posted February 12, 2018 01:48 PM

so you'd rather strive/struggle and needlessly suffer to achieve your desires/needs until the day you inevitably die(making your existence pointless anyway)? that makes no sense whatsoever.

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Maurice
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posted February 12, 2018 02:05 PM

Let me turn the question around. You've been hard at work for quite some time now (years?) to reshape and redraw tons of Heroes 3 graphics. In your perfect world, you would be able to do all of that with just a snap of your fingers. There and done, just like that, all what you envision is there. Then what?

I won't say I dismiss the Utopian world you create completely; it would be nice as a holiday resort for a few weeks, for instance, but I wouldn't want to spend my entire life there. As weird as it sounds, you need challenges and hurdles in order to feel alive. What matters, however, is the size of those challenges and hurdles.
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fred79
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posted February 12, 2018 02:20 PM
Edited by fred79 at 14:25, 12 Feb 2018.

Maurice said:
Let me turn the question around. You've been hard at work for quite some time now (years?) to reshape and redraw tons of Heroes 3 graphics. In your perfect world, you would be able to do all of that with just a snap of your fingers. There and done, just like that, all what you envision is there. Then what?


dude, i have a ton of ideas for modding; and i'm always getting more. in this reality, i could never accomplish everything i want to do in life(and neither could anyone else. everyone has to make some sort of sacrifice), and not even a FRACTION of what i want to do while i exist. in my op reality, i can accomplish everything i want as soon as the idea pops in my head. the benefits of such a reality is literally BOUNDLESS. the only thing stopping someone from achieving literally whatever they want(in morally-speaking terms), is one's own imagination. and even then, you can make your own version of other's work/ideas. ideas are like viruses, they change from one person to the next. you could literally have EVERY version of EVERYTHING you ever wanted(again, providing that everything you wish coincides with a perfectly harmless and fruitful existence for everything on the planet).

Maurice said:
I won't say I dismiss the Utopian world you create completely; it would be nice as a holiday resort for a few weeks, for instance, but I wouldn't want to spend my entire life there. As weird as it sounds, you need challenges and hurdles in order to feel alive. What matters, however, is the size of those challenges and hurdles.


in this world, struggle can breed greatness, but then again, it mostly doesn't. look at the lives of all the poor people, even the not-so-poor, and compare that to the rich. which life would you choose? the rich life where you can buy and do whatever you want in this reality, or the poor life where you can only WATCH the rich buy and do whatever THEY want(and mostly at the expense of those "under" them; and i'm not even addressing the impact they negatively have on every other living thing, including the planet itself) in this reality, while you and countless others needlessly suffer?

no, this "rock polisher" existence is FAR from perfect. life for all living things could be so much less horrible, if you were to put a creature at the helm of it all, that was capable or caring of just morality.

think about it like this: the current god has no problem watching people suffer, be tortured, starve to death, watch their children suffer all of the above before THEY die, etc(for whatever reason or explanation).

how can you still say that this existence that we, as those suffering humans live in, is OPTIMAL?

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OhforfSake
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posted February 12, 2018 02:35 PM

But strife is not inherently bad. Like the discussion turned to, we play video games for different reasons, but often there is some level of achievement in what we do.

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fred79
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posted February 12, 2018 02:37 PM

yes, but as i said, if you can wish it into existence, then that means you can wish for something to be more difficult for you. there literally is NO downside to my version of the planet.

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OhforfSake
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posted February 12, 2018 02:44 PM

I agree, to me it looks more like a lack of imagination that is presented as a counter-argument rather than something inherently wrong with achieving what you wish for.

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Neraus
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posted February 12, 2018 02:52 PM
Edited by Neraus at 14:54, 12 Feb 2018.

After you've done everything what's left to do?

In the old thread about trading physicality for immortality we talked about the opportunity to just close oneself in its imagination, aided by the boundless thoughts that could finally be divorced from reality once and for all. But then eventually you'll get bored, there is no escape, unlike immortality or life in your "paradise" our wishes are limited by our curiosity, once every road has been walked upon, once every mountain has been mapped and once every star is known, what more do you want to see? That is without considering that eventually it will get stale.

The only imagination that is truly boundless is the imagination of an insane person, however, since you limit everything to anything that couldn't bring harm to this blissful world no one could truly allow their most insane ideas to come to fruition, thus limiting their imagination and thus constricting them to the realm of what is rational and good.

And indeed, by pampering all humans by removing evil and removing their ego you are effectively lobotomizing every human, for that matter, without an ego why have any desire or drive at all? Indeed in all honesty I find this "paradise" as the fantasy of an horny teenager.

No one's saying this world is perfect, however it's the best environment for man to thrive, and it's the best place to find a purpose for our lives.
The Almighty seems uncaring, but in all honesty, how many times have you seen humanity rebel against benevolence?
If our minds were stripped of evil, but you knew that what you liked is considered as evil and you crave it anyway, wouldn't you hate God for not only prohibiting your desire but also actively blocking you from doing what you want? And really, there would be a lot of people that even if they had God in front of them they would just reject Him because they don't want to worship Him. (And indeed I've seen many say this exact thing)

An underlying theme in the Bible is exactly this, if God was able to be seen by us and we would experience Him first hand we would still betray and disobey Him. And that's because no matter what when we're free to choose we do what pleases us and not another.

Addendum:

fred79 said:
yes, but as i said, if you can wish it into existence, then that means you can wish for something to be more difficult for you. there literally is NO downside to my version of the planet.


Can God create a boulder so heavy he can't lift it?

I think this paradox can be perfectly applied in this situation.
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Maurice
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posted February 12, 2018 02:55 PM
Edited by Maurice at 15:00, 12 Feb 2018.

fred79 said:
yes, but as i said, if you can wish it into existence, then that means you can wish for something to be more difficult for you. there literally is NO downside to my version of the planet.


But if you wish for something to be more difficult for you, is that real difficulty, or artificial? You are, by all means, at the very control that regulates that difficulty.

Don't get me wrong, I am a perfectionist at heart, so I *want* to be in control of just about every aspect of my life, but the fact is that I also know that I've grown a lot more as a person, as a human being, by whatever adversity crossed my path without me actually wanting it, than I would have if I had been in full control all the time.

You also say that you don't have enough time in this life to do all the things you want to do and accomplish, but in your world, you can have it all at the snap of a finger. Then are you going to spend the rest of eternity twiddling your thumbs? Creativity is life's very answer to struggles and hurdles and hence, by taking away those struggles and hurdles, you also take away the foundation of creativity. You say that (good) ideas are like a virus, they are contageous and spread, while mutating from one person to the next - but uncontrolled growth is also known as cancer.
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fred79
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posted February 12, 2018 02:57 PM
Edited by fred79 at 14:58, 12 Feb 2018.

oh, man. i just realized what the people who'd rather have this existence remind me of. these directv commercials.

commercial 1

commercial 2

in case youtube discontinues those videos(like they do so many others), the commercials are pointing out the people who prefer cable over directv(or, in the case i'm eluding to; this existence over the existence of mine as god) actually prefer:

1. banging their head on a low ceiling beam.
2. drinking spoiled milk.
3. camping in poison ivy.
4. getting a papercut.
5. having their arm trapped in a vending machine.
6. preshaken sodas.
7. having their seat kicked on an airplane.
8. being rammed by a shopping cart.
9. sitting in gum.
10. and walking into a glass door.

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fred79
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posted February 12, 2018 03:08 PM
Edited by fred79 at 15:09, 12 Feb 2018.

Maurice said:
But if you wish for something to be more difficult for you, is that real difficulty, or artificial? You are, by all means, at the very control that regulates that difficulty.


so others who love you, and who know of your desire to achieve things through difficulty, can't wish that for you, as well?

Maurice said:
Don't get me wrong, I am a perfectionist at heart, so I *want* to be in control of just about every aspect of my life, but the fact is that I also know that I've grown a lot more as a person, as a human being, by whatever adversity crossed my path without me actually wanting it.


do you think someone who has lost children, been tortured, been raped, or suffered horribly otherwise, would agree with your view that suffering is required to live a good life? how about someone who lost their ability to walk/see/hear/etc? tell me, do you feel like you've learned something or grew as a person when you stub your toe?

Maurice said:
You also say that you don't have enough time in this life to do all the things you want to do and accomplish, but in your world, you can have it all at the snap of a finger. Then are you going to spend the rest of eternity twiddling your thumbs? Creativity is life's very answer to struggles and hurdles and hence, by taking away those struggles and hurdles, you also take away the foundation of creativity. You say that (good) ideas are like a virus, they are contageous and spread, while mutating from one person to the next - but uncontrolled growth is also known as cancer.


uncontrolled growth is also known as humanity. and everything suffers because of it, including the humans themselves.

tell me, if you got what you wanted out of modding, would you then NOT feel inclined to play the game? if you were to build a house with just thought, would you NOT live in it? if you were to wish a companion(s) into existence, would you NOT enjoy them? if you were to wish a lasagna into existence, would you NOT eat it, garfield?

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