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Neraus
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posted April 11, 2018 10:44 PM

Indeed, there were almost no outstanding theological issues between Orthodox and Catholics I might add, thus why it was actually pretty simple for the Roman Emperor in Constantinople to declare the churches reunited not once, but twice.

The first time, in the orthodox side this was opposed mostly by the low clergy, while in the Catholic side this was met with joy... Until the Emperor, Michael VIII at the time, decided to fund the Sicilian Vespers against the Papal lapdog Charles of Anjou, long story short, the emperor got excommunicated and his son rekindled the schism.

The second time it was Koustantinos XI who declared the union in a hurry to get some aid against the Ottomans, but the union was declared null once Constantinople was taken by the Turks.

Then after the advent of Protestantism and the council of Trent the differences became more marked, which makes it harder today to reunite.
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blizzardboy
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posted April 11, 2018 10:47 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 22:49, 11 Apr 2018.

No. Even when Christianity was illegal in the 2nd century, pretty much everybody deferred to the bishopric located in Rome (and this continued even when Alexandria and Constantinople had become larger and greater).

The details in the 100/200s are a little fuzzy but the Catholics have the strongest claim to a ridiculously obvious degree. Orthodoxy and Catholicism are 98% identical and that incident is mostly a political ragequit from the gigantic ego of the mentally retarded Eastern Emperor.

Protestantism changes its theology every 3 months. It is basically a group therapy session for people with some corny spiritual music thrown in.

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artu
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posted April 11, 2018 10:50 PM

You start with a "no" but nothing you say actually contradicts with what I just said.
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posted April 11, 2018 10:59 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 23:20, 11 Apr 2018.

Contradicts: no. Not strictly.

But "not having a running digital record of every bishop's teachings" = / = "the original Christianity is not connected to the Catholics".

Things like the Eucharist, the authority of the Papacy specifically in Rome etc., were taught many generations before the legalization of the Catholic Church.

The Eastern Emperor's claim over the Roman Pontiff was complete garbage. It had literally zero historical precedent. Orthodoxy comes from a mentally unstable egomaniac / demogogue. The Patriarch of Constantinople was a total ****ing retard. He was the Byzantine equivalent to Donald Trump.

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posted April 11, 2018 11:24 PM

People arguing about things happening up to 2000 years ago, claining they know what happened.


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posted April 11, 2018 11:25 PM

Orthodox Christianity is the equivalent to Donald Trump / American Imperialism. That is all you need to know.

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artu
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posted April 11, 2018 11:27 PM

But there are various Christianities before any Church, there are sects without Trinity, sects that don't consider Jesus son of god, if you really insist to go back and find an origin, most you can say is St. Paul and his evangelism is the first thing that resembles an institutional core, since his universal claim is what starts the idea of a Church as a concept. So in that sense, the Church itself is also an inovation. And to call it Catholic (in opposition to Orthodox) seems misleading to me, because before that political distinction, it is more like just plainly the Church.
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posted April 11, 2018 11:30 PM

personally I think all of those poohole countries (I may not use presidential language here at HC) of the Old Soviet Stalin (Nyet) and the Angry Balkans (χαχα) are a great linchpin for us to get the Scottish independence,

if Kosovo and Servia will have a ridiculous tiff to get out from under the thumb then easily so can I have my tantrum, after all there are no racist Mel Gibson movies about those primitive unspoiled places, therefore a rather disunited Yurop is fine by me and so I say smell my esteemed bum to your esteemed proposal cheers mate cheers lol
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posted April 11, 2018 11:33 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 23:34, 11 Apr 2018.

Youre not wrong entirely that even after Byzantine's Donald Trump ragequit from the authority of the Papacy, the commoners themselves still viewed themselves as one Church. That distinction would take several generations. They had zero control over something that happened between members of the aristocracy.

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artu
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posted April 11, 2018 11:35 PM
Edited by artu at 23:36, 11 Apr 2018.

JollyJoker said:
People arguing about things happening up to 2000 years ago, claining they know what happened.



The more ancient you go, the less documented history becomes, of course. Hence, more open to various interpretations and theses. But 2000 years ago is certainly not a complete mystery.
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posted April 11, 2018 11:38 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 23:45, 11 Apr 2018.

Scotland has to remain part of the UK otherwise the whiny little leprachauns in Ireland will start to ***** and moan. However, since England is obviously incapable of democracy or experiencing a rational thought, sovereign control will be relocated to Edinburgh and the royal family exiled to Mississippi. You just have to make sure that the Irish submit by any means necessary, including by violating every treaty that has ever been signed.

Teresa May will be transferred to my haram. Is this offer acceptable?

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verriker
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posted April 11, 2018 11:50 PM

that will **** the dream of the Great Celtic Union up the duff so I will have to talk it over with the klan chieftains in the Scottish wigwam (Holyrood Parliament), albeit it sounds more than reasonable to me, especially given those Plastic Paddies will forgive anyone (except Cromwell and Thierry Henri) cheers lol
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Tsar-ivor
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posted April 11, 2018 11:55 PM
Edited by Tsar-ivor at 23:58, 11 Apr 2018.

Yo Blizz....Dunno what to say but Ireland's been independent for almost 100 years. Only thing even remotely British is  Ulster, populated primarily by undesirables, to put it very kindly.

Yer Scottish scaver is getting tossed bk into to sea whence he came if he dares set foot on.my island with ill intent

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posted April 11, 2018 11:58 PM

blizzardboy said:
Teresa May will be transferred to my haram.


to each his own lol
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Tsar-ivor
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posted April 11, 2018 11:59 PM
Edited by Tsar-ivor at 23:59, 11 Apr 2018.

Pretty sure she's well passed breeding age.

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posted April 12, 2018 12:01 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 00:03, 12 Apr 2018.

Imperial rule over your conquered enemies is much cooler and more satisfying than independence. You should accept my offer.

The English are savages and I would be much happier seeing them controlled by their 1st world civilized neighbors in the north.

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posted April 12, 2018 12:07 AM

Tsar-ivor said:
Yo Blizz....Dunno what to say but Ireland's been independent for almost 100 years...


... by an illegal and illegitimate government that rightfully belongs to the Sceptered Isle.

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verriker
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posted April 12, 2018 12:14 AM

blizzardboy said:
Imperial rule over your conquered enemies is much cooler and more satisfying than independence. You should accept my offer.

The English are savages and I would be much happier seeing them controlled by their 1st world civilized neighbors in the north.


OK Sturgeon says fair enough we might as well usurp Erin Go Bragh, if only to learn Ivan the Great Hungarian Cultural Appropriator how to write digestible posts with punctuation and grammar and **** cheers lol
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posted April 12, 2018 12:23 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 00:25, 12 Apr 2018.

There is zero comparison between Edinburgh and Birmingham. Lower England is a cross between albino-skinned vampires who watch reality TV and reruns of Dr Who in their price-inflated flats and a Caliphate of Mohammedians that drag off blonde women in the back alleys.

Edinburgh is clean and lush and filled with sexy sarcastic women that will insult you and then immediately blow you afterward in the blink of an eye. They can sit on my face whenever they want.

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posted April 12, 2018 06:07 AM

Why don't we leave Europe alone and give control of America to Kim? He will have fewer reasons to launch nukes and he's probably saner than Trump.  
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