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fred79
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posted May 14, 2018 11:13 PM

mass killings outside the u.s.

since nobody is apparently going to make this thread, i'll make it. i entitled it "mass killings" instead of "mass shootings", because i think that will cover the appropriate bases, depending on firearm laws in said countries outside the u.s.

i'll start it off with the latest:

australian grandpa kills 6 family members and then himself

i think it may or may not be important to note, that he shot them all to death.

the story:

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A grandfather suspected of shooting and killing six members of his family, including four of his grandchildren, before turning the gun on himself may have carried out Australia’s worst mass shooting in more than two decades because he was dealing with emotional turmoil that he was trying to “fix,” a family member said.

Peter Miles, 61, is accused of killing his wife Cynda, 58, his daughter Katrina, 35, and her four children Taye, 13, Rylan, 12, Ayre, 10, and Kayden, 8, on Friday at Forever Dreaming Farm, where they lived in the village of Osmington in Western Australia state. Miles was found dead on the property, believed to have died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

"Why he did it, what he did, you can only ever surmise," State Premier Mark McGowan told Perth Radio 6PR. "As far as I'm aware, there was no evidence that he had any sort of mental health issues that could have resulted in the firearms being removed from him.”

Authorities have released few details about the tragedy. On Sunday, Aaron Cockman, the father of the four children killed and the estranged husband of Katrina Miles, opened up on what he believed may have led his former father-in-law to commit the mass shooting. Cockman said Miles was struggling with the suicide of a son and news that another son had serious kidney disease, Australian Broadcasting Corporation reported.

“Peter has been just trying to hold it together for a long time,” Cockman told reporters. "I thought, 'there's no way possible he could lose another son, he'll kill himself.’ But I thought, 'no, he won't do that either because he's so close to my kids that he would not leave the kids upset for the rest of their lives about it.’”

Cockman said he believed Miles was trying to “fix” the pain he was feeling. He added that he believed Miles “thought [the murders] through” and didn’t simply just snap when he shot and killed the family.

“He's just gone: 'Right, I can't kill myself, I can't live anymore, so this is it for me, but I need to take out everyone with me because that will fix the whole problem,’” he said.

Cockman said police told him Miles shot the children and Katrina while they were sleeping in a converted shed. The 61-year-old then killed his wife in the home’s living room.

Miles called police after the deadly shooting, then killed himself before cops arrived, according to Cockman.

A coroner is investigating the shooting.

Friday’s tragedy was Australia’s worst mass shooting since a lone gunman killed 35 people in Tasmania in 1996, prompting the nation to introduce tough gun controls.

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posted May 15, 2018 08:43 AM
Edited by phe at 08:45, 15 May 2018.

Twice as many killed with bare hands than by guns

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posted May 15, 2018 11:07 AM

Bullsnow selective Breitbart news.

This is the relevant table of the FBI data base. In 2015 there are 15.696 cases of homicide in the US. Table 20 lists ONLY those for which they received supplemental data (that is, those for which the weapon was identified for them).
This includes obviously the cases of manslaughter. Manslaughter is highly likely in all homicide cases without a weapon, while it is highly unlikely, where rifles of any type are used.

The arguing as such is bullsnow as well. You could argue that in 2015 35.485 people died as consequence of a traffic accident, which is a lot more than the above mentioned homicide victims. But would it make sense to point to those in order to say, you can't forbid the use of cars/motorcycles, so why forbid assault rifles?

Geez...

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posted May 15, 2018 12:06 PM

Lithuania had one mass killing that I at least know of, back in 1998, on Febuary 15th, a dude massacred an entire village, save for his mother. The crime was hushed for a bit since it was perpetrated before a national holiday during which the polish president would visit, and the perp was a polak, so people were afraid of ethnic backlash.

There were also some other shootings, but they were related to organised crime groups feuding with each other.
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posted May 18, 2018 07:13 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 19:18, 18 May 2018.

Lmao Australia doesnt have remotely the homicide as the US with its cave-dwelling era regulations on weapons of death. Maybe post news from subsahara Africa if you want places with worse lethal crime than dilapidated, illiterate ****holes like Baltimore or Chicago.

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posted May 18, 2018 07:32 PM

Detroit?
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posted May 18, 2018 07:56 PM

Well, I could post some past incidents from here, there have been quite a lot of cases lately of husbands shooting their wives, and there was also Luca Traini, the god of race war, who injured a bunch of Africans in a drive-by shooting.

These are the most recent ones off the top of my head, if I can be bothered about I'll post some examples of gun violence in our gun regulated country.
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posted May 18, 2018 11:59 PM

by all means, post them. that's what this thread is for.

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posted May 19, 2018 01:54 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 01:59, 19 May 2018.

Anecdotals. Your gun stance still fails and you know it Statistics.

But by all means: enjoy your show & tell thread.

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posted May 19, 2018 02:10 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 02:15, 19 May 2018.

President Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines, "We will shoot your vagina", speech to soldiers on female communist rebels in the country.

There you go. Filipino president is advocating shooting communist rebels' vaginas. Mass vagina shootings. That is my contribution. Good to know.
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posted May 19, 2018 02:19 AM

It's what a man's gun was designed for you know, sex education 101.
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posted May 19, 2018 02:30 AM

blizz, you seem actually upset that i would create a thread airing other countries' dirty laundry despite the fact that you're an american yourself(and by that i mean, americans are just as scrutinized by OTHER countries), and you seem to forget that i also created the "mass shooting's in the u.s." thread, because i'm not afraid of scrutinizing the u.s., either. in fact, it should be widely known by now, that i have no problem scrutinizing ANYONE across the globe, for ANYTHING.

my question to you is, what exactly offends you about scrutinizing any other country, regarding their own mass violence? why, exactly, are your panties in such a wad?

are you actually becoming an sjw, yourself? or are you only back to your trolling that you'll eventually feel the need to apologize for?

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posted May 19, 2018 04:06 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 04:15, 19 May 2018.

@fred

I have "my panties in a wad" because of the subtext.

I dont think this thread is just a newsfeed. My guess - and yes I might be wrong - is that this thread is an attempt to make it look like mass shootings are just as bad everywhere else as they are in the US, which is entirely false. Mass shootings with such high casualties are uniquely American and our anarchic gun regulations are (partially) responsible.

Putin uses the same horse**** tactic. He points to instances of corruption in the States or Britain or France and then says something to the effect of, "See? They have no right to talk!" Anybody with an IQ above 75 can see that the tactic is meant to deflect responsibility so that the population doesnt focus on the enemy within.


Edit: SJWs are leftist fascists who want to shut down free speech; I have never advocated shutting down conversations and I am 110% opposed to people who try.

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posted May 19, 2018 04:21 AM

mass killings don't have to be mass shootings. i already clarified in the op why i named the thread as such.

if you don't like the thread, don't post in it; just ignore it, plain and simple. but you shouldn't be arguing with the subject matter, because it DOES, in fact, exist.

i asked if you were an sjw, because that's the kind of snow that sjw's do, that you're doing. just so you know. if you don't want to mistaken for an sjw, then you shouldn't act like one. same for people who act like nazi's, or racists, or sexists, or hipsters, or whatever else that has a negative stigma attached to it.


btw, i don't know WHY the immediate response to this thread was a post having to do with U.S. mass killings, because this ISN'T the thread for that(looking at you, here, phe). THAT thread was the one shut down because cor and myself didn't want to have to deal with the 40+ pages(which would have been more if the subject was kept unlocked) of arguing over guns that exploded in that topic whenever i posted another mass shooting that was in the news.


THIS topic is for mass killings(and not limited to mass shootings) outside the u.s.  so let's keep it as such, shall we?

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posted May 19, 2018 04:34 AM

I still have absolutely no idea why that thread is locked. A normal conversation was happening in it and nobody was forcing you to respond to 5 different people.

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posted May 19, 2018 04:42 AM

off-topic/

what happened in that thread was a full-on attack on my pov, and nothing short of that. i was DEFENDING myself from 5+ people in that thread, and it carried on like that for 40+ pages; which was exhausting and enraging for me, as well as exhausting and at least irritating for cor, since he had to read through all that snow to make sure nobody was breaking the coc, which a good amount of posts there, came close to doing. that thread is locked for a good reason; just like the abortion and feminist threads were. apparently, some subjects cannot be handled in an adult manner here at hc.


back on-topic/

but again, this ISN'T that thread. hopefully, we can show how much more dignified we are as adults, in THIS one, since it ISN'T a thread about the u.s., and thus an EASY TARGET for the overwhelming amount of international posters, here.

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posted May 19, 2018 04:55 AM

Well I think the US mass shooting thread should be opened up if we are going to have a "mass killings outside the US" thread.

If you really want to automatically label anybody who disagrees with you as an "SJW", by all means, name-call away. The word will become inflated and meaningless within a decade, just like "bigot" no longer carries the same weight as it did 10 years ago. I am expressing my opinion and if you want to summon Corribus to silence me I guess that is your choice. Frankly, this forum has always been pretty snowflaky and overzealous with locking threads the second they get mildly heated, which I fail to see how that is a bad thing unless people are arbitrarily lobbing F bombs around like candy in a childen's parade.

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posted May 19, 2018 05:02 AM
Edited by fred79 at 05:10, 19 May 2018.

none of that has anything to do with this thread. do you NOT know how to stay on-topic, or are you just going to continually attempt to provoke me?

also, i stopped petitioning any mods for anything a good ways back. i may respond in kind to something they address me with via hcm, but i don't initiate anything anymore. so you have no worries there.

lastly, that aforementiond thread wasn't locked for 40+ pages. so there was nothing "in the second". and to be utterly blunt, the mods have given plenty of leeway for the adults here at hc to sort themselves out for quite awhile now.

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posted May 19, 2018 05:14 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 05:18, 19 May 2018.

fred79 said:
what happened in that thread was a full-on attack on my pov, and nothing short of that. i was DEFENDING myself from 5+ people in that thread, and it carried on like that for 40+ pages; which was exhausting and enraging for me, as well as exhausting and at least irritating for cor, since he had to read through all that snow to make sure nobody was breaking the coc.


I am once again mystified by the absurd notion that you were "defending" yourself in a voluntary conversation, as if you were a victim. It is highly mainstream outside of the US to have a less lax attitude towards guns and people were targeting your pov because they disagreed with it. Simple as that. The fact that the conversation went on for 40 pages was YOUR choice and your responsibility as much as anybody elses.

But I am sure you wont fess up to that very basic truth.

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posted May 19, 2018 05:21 AM

give it a rest, guy. this, what you're doing right here, is why that other thread is still locked.

if you don't have anything to post towards the topic, then why are you here arguing? take a second to think about that, and resonate some understanding.

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