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blizzardboy
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posted May 22, 2018 10:19 AM
Edited by blizzardboy at 10:24, 22 May 2018.

Infinity War Discussion Spoilers

Stealing the time stone and rewinding the clock would be too obvious of a solution. I think the half of the universe that got dusted was transported into the universe of the soul stone and that Thanos might be one of the people who got dusted. After the retardedly overpowered Stormbreaker flew through a blast from all six stones in the Infinity Gauntlet, and landed in Purple Bro's chest, the wound wasnt present in the next scene.  Anyway, they will somehow need to dissemble the soul world to undo what was done.

The time stone is kind of a cheap plot device so I dont think it will be in play for much longer. I am assuming there will be another Dr Weird movie and the writers wont want to have the time stone in it again.

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posted May 22, 2018 12:09 PM

blizzardboy said:
Thanos might be one of the people who got dusted.


Hm... that's an interesting thought but who will be the villain in the next movie if Thanos is 'dead'? The whole movie can't be placed in the soulstone world. I think the still living Avengers also need some kind of arch-villain.

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posted May 22, 2018 12:59 PM

Unless the characters who disappeared get basically zero screen time in Avengers 5, something or another is going to happen fairly early in the next movie.

Spider Dick and Guardians already have a  movie announced so at least some of them arent staying dead. Black Panther is a cash cow plus he is the only black person who isnt a sidekick.
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posted May 22, 2018 01:57 PM

blizzardboy said:
Stealing the time stone and rewinding the clock would be too obvious of a solution. I think the half of the universe that got dusted was transported into the universe of the soul stone and that Thanos might be one of the people who got dusted. After the retardedly overpowered Stormbreaker flew through a blast from all six stones in the Infinity Gauntlet, and landed in Purple Bro's chest, the wound wasnt present in the next scene.  Anyway, they will somehow need to dissemble the soul world to undo what was done.

The time stone is kind of a cheap plot device so I dont think it will be in play for much longer. I am assuming there will be another Dr Weird movie and the writers wont want to have the time stone in it again.


Thanos dusted? That would be brilliant! But if his threat was gone, what else is left for the second part? To bring back the dusted? How would anyone even know how or if it's even possible? The soul realm where Thanos saw Gamora as a child looked different too, though he could well have shaped it.

What I have a hard time buying was Stormbreaker pushing through and lodging itself in Thanos' chest. What the hell? He could have disintegrated it, turned it into bubbles or teleported it elsewhere. And as for a wound disappearing, that seems easier than blinking half the population out of existence. And that was easy enough for Thanos.

I've heard that the next part will be a time travel story. Antman quantum shenanigans seem a possibility but otherwise I cannot imagine how they'd accomplish that. A genious coming up with a time machine would be silly and I doubt they'd manage to steal the time gem from Thanos.
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posted May 22, 2018 02:10 PM
Edited by blob2 at 14:13, 22 May 2018.

Maybe they will bring Thanos back and fight him again? That might also mean we'll see more of the Black Order

There are many theories circulating around:
- Soulstone world is a given, meaning half of the population was moved there. It's in the comics + yellow sky (color of the stone) etc.
- In comics he's not sacrificing Gamora, but 'Death" as she is his "buddy", and only thing he loves. I think it was a good change in the movie as the concept was to gimmicky for the masses. That said Mistress Death might actually be the next villain. That or Galactus
- They might "remove" some Avangers. Supposedly the ones that stayed (Spider Man included, even though he was "dusted") make a part of the core of New Avangers, another well known motive and what seems to be the natural order of things going forward. Some like Iron-Man stayed because he has a role to play plus his badass (though Robert Downey Jr is said to be wanting to drop the role, sigh).
- Time travel seems like a valid plot device. At the end we will see Dr. Who, err, Strange telling all of us "See, I told you!"
- We still don't know where Hawkeye, And-Man or Captain Marvel are at...

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posted May 22, 2018 02:23 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 14:24, 22 May 2018.

Time travel takes suspense out of plots (I think, anyway) because you can always hit the undo or redo buttons, and I just dont see the Marvel writers wanting to overplay the time travel card because they already used it in Dr Strange and a little bit in Infinity War. Plus - this is important - the soul stone hasnt been explored yet. We've seen the other stones used heavily in other movies, but once Thanos jettisoned Gamora off the cliff and got the stone, that was it. So it makes sense imo to see the soul stone / soul world in use in the next Avenger movie.

Edit: I definitely wouldnt mind seeing more telekenesis by Ebony Maw but I doubt it.
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posted May 22, 2018 02:31 PM
Edited by blob2 at 14:35, 22 May 2018.

BTW I didn't mention one thing I wanted to add: about the "why didn't Thanos use the Stones to turn all opponents into bubbles or sth else"

Aside from the whole "why didn't Hobbits use Eagles to fast-travel to the Mount Doom"-style discussions (meaning, you wouldn't get the whole book/movie/story if they did it), there's a simpler solution: because he honors "struggling". He wanted to give a chance for his opponents to do something, to struggle for their lives, as for instance was shown with Hulk at the beginning of the movie. It's pointed out in a few instances of the movie.

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posted May 22, 2018 04:09 PM

I dont think anybody knows how the Reality stone works.
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posted May 22, 2018 06:23 PM

If there's one thing I disliked about IW, it was the treatment of Banner/Hulk. He's one of my favorite Marvel characters, but in this movie? Just no.

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posted May 22, 2018 06:30 PM

Drakon-Deus said:
If there's one thing I disliked about IW, it was the treatment of Banner/Hulk. He's one of my favorite Marvel characters, but in this movie? Just no.


Hulk got his ass beaten once, so now he doesn't want to get out again. Wuss.
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posted May 22, 2018 08:16 PM
Edited by tSar-Ivor at 20:17, 22 May 2018.

How is Thanos dusted though? Pretty sure I saw him chillin at the end.

My major beef with the movie though, while it was good fun it is child tier in a philisophical sense, very basic in terms of morality and Thanos is a downright special cupcake, what I imagine would happen if you give a crap ton of political power to an average geezer.

P.S  Also I swear he said that the halving the population thing would be indiscriminate, but when I saw an epicly disproportionate amount of Wanganda spear throwers bite the dust (hehe) I laughed so damn loud it made heads turn. Sure on paper the whole world is getting the taste, but that is a shrodinger's cat for me (till the post credits, but still).
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posted May 22, 2018 08:59 PM

Isn't Captain Marvel going to save everyone's asses with some time travel plot of some kind? They say Miss Marvel or Captain Marvel is the strongest Marvel hero anyway.
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posted May 22, 2018 10:08 PM

@Tsar

I'd be surprised if a movie with that theme was more philosophical, it already is an improvement over the original story. Sure, Thanos is an idealist but while he assumes the role of a natural force, he still has his own personality and motivations. I like the way he exudes and conveys power. His comic counterpart was.. comical. Insecure, power-hungry, arrogant, over-the-top kind of villain. The only things he had going for him are his cunning, pride and unshakable conviction. Oh and he could manipulate the odds of who disappears like.. his father. He apparently didn't like him very much.

Speaking of the post credits, I loved Fury to the end. Motherf-
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posted May 22, 2018 10:17 PM

blob2 said:

Aside from the whole "why didn't Hobbits use Eagles to fast-travel to the Mount Doom"-style discussions ...


Or ask Tom Bombadil to ride on an eagle and throw the ring in the fire.
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posted May 23, 2018 12:50 AM

Or just ask Artu to one-shot Thanos.
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posted May 23, 2018 09:40 AM
Edited by blob2 at 09:46, 23 May 2018.

@Tsar

I don't think it's fair to judge a blockbuster comic book adaptation movie in terms of its philosophical sense. Imo you shouldn't get more in this kind of movie, as it would cross the border for casual viewers and make them say "what is this philosophical cr*p!". And casual viewers are the gist of this movie watchers. Actually that was my problem with Nolan's Batman Trilogy: the movies put too much emphasis on its philosophical/social themes instead of giving us a comic-booky feel. It worked with Joker, but the third part was simply over-the-top in this regard. You might call me a casual viewer in this right, but I like my comic book adaptations the way Marvel does it: fun, comic-y, but with a plot that looks like it had work put into it and makes sense (and keeps its continuity). Plus it's hard to throw in a multi-layered plot and make a fun movie at the same time in a 2,5 hours-long venue. I think for a more intricate plot/multi-layered villains logic we would need a TV series (Thanos: Origins anyone?).

I think the movie does a good job between juggling with humorous and serious/darker tones. And regarding Thanos, when you think about it, it doesn't take much for a tyrant to justify his simple logic in his own world view. He doesn't even need to make sense with his ravings, it's how he "pushes" it on others.

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posted May 23, 2018 09:53 AM

Well, we've gotten a little more demanding as far as villain motivations go. Simple villains have always been a dime a dozen so it is not unexpected for some of us to develop certain standards. Even to expect morality questions in comic book movies. Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman and Frank Miller may have spoiled us a little
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posted May 23, 2018 11:46 AM
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Yeah, we're a demanding a lot But I always try to reasonably 'adjust' my expectations. I don't think you can eat a cookie and have a cookie with movie of such big scale. Besides keep in mind that we're mostly 'soaked' with pop-culture so in reality it's hard to surprise us...

Still, Thanos was a good villain in my book. Charismatic with a larger-then-life agenda. They mention in the movie that he already destroyed quite a few worlds already. This reminds me of SW's Empire and their Death Star. True, his reasoning is 'childish', but I think that it's 'simplicity' is the most terrifying factor. This is a true question of morality, one our own Earth might face in the future when resources start to get scarce and it's overpopulated. I don't think we will get 'sophisticated' resolutions at that point, if something isn't done before things get hairy.

Btw at one point in the movie a thought came to my mind that the movie is more about Thanos then any other character...

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posted May 23, 2018 01:43 PM

blob2 said:
They mention in the movie that he already destroyed quite a few worlds already.


Actually, he just killed half of the population. He didn't destroy those worlds completely, as is also shown in the flashbacks with Gamorra.
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posted May 23, 2018 02:17 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 14:18, 23 May 2018.

Thor also mentioned that Thanos only killed half of his crew. So there is a good chance Korg and Miek are still around, lol


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