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Galaad
Galaad

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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted July 21, 2018 08:32 AM

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Being second in votes gives you second air time, you already know that.


But it was the other way around, both Macron and le Pen were omnipresent in the media and press *before* any vote were cast.
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Salamandre
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posted July 21, 2018 09:10 AM

I don't believe in some conspiracy acting to always bring le Pen at second round, that would be really very risky, as I am 100% persuaded that his party will succeed one day, IF current politics remain unchanged. But also Macron is brilliant, maybe he does not run politics as you or I we would prefer, nonetheless he is a very solid adversary, also he has a great bonus from never being in power before.

The pre-election debates and votes play on who is more cocky, smart, cool, charismatic, calm and such things, because there is no yet some political balance. I think Macron would have smashed anyone, including Fillon or Melenchon. Sure it is sad they removed Fillon on unproved charges, but politics are merciless, he did stupid things, he is out because of that, period.
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Galaad
Galaad

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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted July 21, 2018 09:25 AM
Edited by Galaad at 09:39, 21 Jul 2018.

Salamandre said:
I don't believe in some conspiracy acting to always bring le Pen at second round, that would be really very risky, as I am 100% persuaded that his party will succeed one day, IF current politics remain unchanged.


FN was founded in 1972, for them it was now or never. Why MLP was dancing and partying the night of her defeat? "People will vote how we tell them to vote", like the other said, and we were told to vote Macron. I am 100% persuaded FN will never win, I think the party exists exclusively  to steal voices from others and act as scarecrow but that's my personal speculation, you can find it absurd, a lot of things add up nevertheless.

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Sure it is sad they removed Fillon on unproved charges, but politics are merciless, he did stupid things, he is out because of that, period.


Since his charges are unproved, he didn't do anything as far as we know. Why are you condemning him then?

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Le Pen has not Trump's backbone and wealth, she would have been smashed internationally.


Because Macron didn't get smashed already? A Belgian deputee even offered him a rope straight in the EU parliament, that's going pretty far. And I pass Trump walking him by the hand and the likes...

Just to make it clear, I don't defend MLP, I don't like her and I don't like Front National. But honestly, I think Macron is even worse as his politics are 100% in line with both his predecessors.
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Salamandre
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posted July 21, 2018 09:44 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 09:49, 21 Jul 2018.

I don't condemn Fillon, I would have voted for him if he was at second round. There is no proof he did any crime but on the moral side - because there IS a moral side when you choose one person over another - it is embarrassing to prone for austerity as unavoidable - remember, THIS was his political crux, asking financial efforts from the working class, when you wear 12k euros costumes offered by lobbies and when you hire your wife for speeches corrections and pay her in one year what an university teacher gets in 10.

Personally I don't care much because I don't think one can reach highest power status without tickling corruption and narcissism, but I can understand those being hard-liners about, is human nature.

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted July 21, 2018 09:51 AM
Edited by Galaad at 09:52, 21 Jul 2018.

No politician is 100% clean anyway. How they consider the country and its people, what is their international approach etc matters much more IMO

But yeah, somehow people focused on his wife and suit.
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Salamandre
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posted July 21, 2018 10:01 AM

I agree, but remember how stupid he acted, by constantly emphasizing how clean he was, morally speaking. How many times he brought that, while no one was asking for. This is like Kip swearing "I never trolled anyone".
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artu
artu


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posted July 21, 2018 10:42 AM

@Sal

If what you’re getting at is that Le Pen isnt far-right by “our” definition but unjustifiably treated like one, that may be. I mean, the daughter already choose a more moderate path and bannished the father accordingly. But considering the secularist tradition of France (which I also value very much) and the standards of the country, saying things like “this is a Christian nation” is still pushing the line, in my opinion.

Still, the far-right (the definition we both agree on) does exist in Europe, it is indeed on the rise and not a phenomenon of “just a few fanatics.” You see it on social media on a daily basis, there are sociological studies about it, articles, TV debates. What you’re saying is, all of this is either a few fanatics here and there or complete fake news, there is all this smoke but no fire and that seems like pure denial to me. I dont know what you expect of the articles, they give examples of street parades, social studies (one of my links is a study itself), they even talk about the position which you seem to be completely okay with, hostile attitude towards a group of millions because of attacks commited by dozens.

Mind you, the actual discussion was about why such mass immigration is still a policy, despite it causes enormous social reaction. Where as I was focusing on the structure of capitalism, you ended up in a stance claiming “politicians trying to do the moral thing although it costs them a fortune and all the people hating them for it.” I assume you realize how unrealistic that sounds yourself but the weirder thing is, as unrealistic as it is, your perspective is like the perfect recipe for far-right to emerge. Far-right never emerges because people are demons, there is always a cause. And I guess, that is the key to our difference, you consider the causes as a reason to no more call it far-right, but Islamic terrorism also has its” causes” by that logic, for any extremist reaction, you can always find a mixed bag of reasons like instability, poverty, historical prejudice, social transformation. These combine and marginalize some people. You first draw a picture that would inevitably result in far-right movements and then go, but we have none! You must think Europeans are angels or something No, it’s not that you have none, it is you also have the social and institutional antidotes for it since WW2, kind of like a historical vaccine. The side effects of the vaccine can be problematic sometimes but it is still much better than not getting vaccinated.

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Salamandre
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posted July 21, 2018 11:15 AM

We must be very careful with words/associations of words quoted, when you interpret and change them to fit what you want to prove, there is no counter argument except total dismissal.

MLP NEVER said "we are a christian nation", which would brush off any separation between state and church, a constitutional law. If media reports such things, it is still easy to google and find no match in her speeches. Have a READ on MLP's insights about our judeo-christian origins and heritage, within her OWN words. You will need to translate it but at least you have now access the the SOURCE, I think it is a good read.

I will end here this far-right witch hunt. From your definition, only "hostility against minority groups" remains, but thats so flat and debatable (I mean leftists are crazily hostile to what they define as far right - a minority based on political beliefs, EXACTLY AS Islam is, so are they far right?) that is not worth fighting over and people here might already being annoying by our squabble.

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artu
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posted July 21, 2018 11:22 AM

Dude, YOU linked me an interview of her with eng subtitles, she did say “we are a Christian nation” (or the subtitles did.)
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Salamandre
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posted July 21, 2018 11:30 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 11:42, 21 Jul 2018.

No idea, do you still have it?

And by the way, by your standards, De Gaulle would be worse than Hitler for his speech

It's a very good thing that there are yellow French people, black French people and brown French people. It's a sign that France is open to all races and that it has a universal vocation. But on condition they stay a minority. If not, France wouldn't be France anymore. After all, we are an European people from white race, Greek and Latin culture, and Christian religion. Try to mix oil and vinegar together. Shake the bottle. After a while, they get separated again. The Arabs are the Arabs, the French are the French. Do you believe that the French nation is able to integrate ten million Muslims who shall be twenty million tomorrow and forty million the day after? If we integrated them, if all the Arabs and Berbers were considered French, how could we prevent them from moving to our home country where the standard of living is so much higher?

I agree this was 60 years ago (yet the nowadays reality show he was damnt right), yet considering today that the only allusion to France being of judeo-christian roots makes you far right is the most preposterous thing I ever heard.
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posted July 21, 2018 11:54 AM

Probably the thread got deleted, can’t find it. As far as I remember, she wasnt talking about roots though.

About your quote, yeah, different times, we cant be anachronical about such statements. One that makes me smile the most is one from Churchill in 1937, champion of democracy who defeated facism goes:

I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.
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Salamandre
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posted July 21, 2018 12:01 PM

I don't agree on the dog part
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Dies_Irae
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posted July 22, 2018 11:57 AM

Meanwhile in early 16th century Italy:

"In 1500, Atalanta Baglioni's son, Grifonetto, was murdered by Gianpaolo Baglioni and his associates - in other words, by a member of his own family. This was hardly surprising, for not long before Grifonetto had attempted to kill all the other Baglioni. Gianpaolo was able to escape, and he avenged himself on Grifonetto, who had in the meanwhile repented. Grifonetto died in his mother's arms after she had begged him to forgive his killers".
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Drakon-Deus
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Quién Sabe?
posted July 22, 2018 01:52 PM

My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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posted July 22, 2018 06:04 PM

GG on bleeping up Galaad's nostalgia thread snows.


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Kipshasz
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posted July 23, 2018 03:07 PM



So I found Neraus' baby photos on teh interwebz.


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Neraus
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posted July 23, 2018 08:07 PM

Tbh, it's not far from the truth, there are still children remembering who was their consul in daycare.
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fred79
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posted July 24, 2018 08:04 AM

Kipshasz said:
GG on bleeping up Galaad's nostalgia thread snows.




i realize now(what i should have realized immediately, but i was too taken aback), that the people who are complaining about the content being less intelligent or of lesser quality here at hc, or that certain behaviors/content are preventing them from posting, aren't doing jack snow to improve/alter what they complain about. they're just waiting for something to change in their favor, and they're not being proactive about what bothers them, in the least.

it seems to me, that if you're going to claim that you don't post because of certain behaviors(or, that hc is different and "it used to be better"), then you SHOULD be posting whenever those behaviors/content aren't present(or, actually posting content that you were so fond of being at hc at any point in time where you were happier here). and since they're not lifting a finger to fix what bothers them, i'm just going to conclude that they're part of their own problem; and me not posting isn't going to fix that(even if they have a problem with me myself, since i'm not seeing their activity pick back up when i don't post). which again, with this subject matter, i should have realized as soon as i read their posts.

regardless, i apologize for being a part of what derailed the thread.

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Kipshasz
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posted July 25, 2018 08:13 AM

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that the people who are complaining about the content being less intelligent or of lesser quality here at hc, or that certain behaviors/content are preventing them from posting, aren't doing jack snow to improve/alter what they complain about.


Darth Soygdor in a nutshell.
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Neraus
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posted July 25, 2018 01:28 PM

Today I went out looking for some adhesive plastic, so I took a deep breath and entered the Saharian heat and went down the road. So I went to the utensil shop down the road, but they told me they didn't have any, tough luck, I went further down and found this little shop, and bloody hell was I depressed. It was run by this elderly guy, and the shelves were almost empty, I took a look, and found nothing of use, so at least I explained why I went there, and he told me: "Did you try the shop up the road?", what actually hit me was when I told him they didn't sell those he said: "I used to sell it, but now I stopped".

That poor guy will lose his activity I fear, lack of clients I suppose, he himself has lost any hopes of selling what he still has. In the same vein, the pizzeria I've been eating at during the winter has closed again, which saddens me even more.
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