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Once upon a time
posted August 22, 2018 09:03 PM
Edited by markkur at 17:06, 23 Aug 2018.

{A Grandfather’s Perspective of our World Today}

I have decided to come back and make this post for chiefly three reasons and the first is I care about every person here, whether I know them or not; secondly, to offer what I hope will be a welcomed perspective (there are no experts) about specifically what is happening today within my America and confess how I failed my family & friends within my own country. The third is, that I believe that my nation’s "We the People" are at a serious crossroads and unfortunately this battle is NOT my nation’s dilemma alone.

Most people here, that are old enough, have had plenty of valid reasons to voice sincere concern or clear opposition to our actions (the Deep-State, not the citizens)in recent decades and I have frequently been in that camp myself but the fact is, I did not understand the “enemy-within” because I was fighting a very different battle that separated Caesar from where my passion naturally focuses and reigns. Honestly, I little valued Money beyond its intended purpose and avoided Politics & Law at nearly all times. My decisions to avoid those three realms of public-life, are now much more than regrettable. I purposely silenced my own voice.

“The Love of money (Greed) is the root of all Evil”
Money has no built-in-morality, no more than a Hammer can be good or bad; when a hammer is used to build a home, it is used for its intended purpose as an instrument or tool in construction but when that very same hammer is used in anger to harm a neighbor? It is made a weapon of destruction, not construction. Money is no different; it
can be used as it was intended, simply as an economic tool of necessity for the basics of work & trade within a community or intentionally directed to the sole purposes of Greed, Power and Control over that very same community.

“Knowledge is Power”
For the benefit of individuals and groups, Learning became a crucial necessity to the general advancement of human civilization but opposing the simple benefit of a given community, knowledge became important in the eventual use inside conflict and the destruction of an opposing community. Knowledge became Intelligence.

“Freedom means, you are not forced to lie.”
Now blend Intelligence with Greed and, the Power of knowledge over the community and add all possible human-banes (often personally selected or traps set for others)of Humanity, where States control to whatever their aGreed-upon purpose regarding what information the citizens are allowed to know and further, what and/or how much? To me, generally today is a time when Orwell’s (his book 1984) warning of reverse-projection of intention should be easily seen by the commoner but instead we the people cannot seem to see through the ruse and recognize that a lie...actually is A Lie. Lie, Deception, Fraud and Fabrication ALL have terrible consequences locally and globally when we blindly trust in what should never have been accepted,let alone ignored or endorsed.

When the evil-eyes make us beholders, under their engineered cloud, what is the result? You have State-Power that swells above our Ignorance and away from the public-eye.

Medusa is merely a tiny monster of Myth compared to the greedy, self-worshiping legions that populate the halls of Power today. Tragically for Humanity,  Medusa’s freezing-glare has been made manifest behind manipulation of the common-mind; what I will define, as our spark of God, our Essence, our Spirit, our shared-humanity, our natural-rights, our agreed-upon freedoms; any word or definition that to you and by you as an individual does fit the beating heart within your own chest, sincerely seeing the greater Family that every one of us are born a part.

I have never witnessed here in the USA, so much determined-separation, fracturing-stances, erred-belief, etc. resulting in such hostile rhetoric, outright deception and subversion and the fostering of hateful divisions, targeting the necessary-space, that was once called, freedom of speech,within our shared public-squares; no matter the size nor location of the commons, where once upon a time
civilization thrived and prospered; even if not perfect.

I will once again use a word that I used not long ago and that word was and is Usurpation. I have not cast myself into dogmatic slab of concrete, expecting by divine or human compulsion that anyone else must follow my lead. Compliance without understanding & consent easily manifests into Tyranny and dreadful and deadly is that dictating master, no matter the disguise it dons.

Sometime back now, I wrote a 5-part piece in that “peaceful” Christianity-Thread called “Christ versus the modern Church.” What I learned soon after (though I did not look for it) was that Usurpation is found everywhere in the pillars of modern America. I am providing some links for you to evaluate. Understand, that no one issue or subject is anything more than one part of an intricate puzzle and where I believe I am seeing only an assembly of “some interlocking puzzle-pieces” and NOT a completed jigsaw-puzzle; that just happens to be, a very fine example of why we all need each other.

[I am not enabling the links because too often what I care about is soon made unavailable...so you'll need to do a tiny bit of work by copy-pasting the provided link.]

MSM

Media Lies (1995 SPIN) unauthorized footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdXtIJNNVZM

SCRIPT - Top 10 Staged Media Events!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHDDQVZ-A98

Hmm

Has Zionism Hijacked Judaism. - Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ-tRrKeAfQ

“Ten ways the Israel lobby ‘moves’ America” Grant F.Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1cIm2C1DWo

Changing Views

Chicago Unchained: Black Activists Slam Democrat Plantation
“During the Obama Years”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUSRZo1BE5o

Obama's Garbage, Trump's Gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3icl5K3AIrs

The Black Community Is Waking Up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjZy6jVaf0

Kevin’s Corner...one of many sharp black-minds.
Don't fall for the, Bugs Bunny, jedi, vampire in Brooklyn mind trick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NT9vScaq78

Other nations

CEC Australia
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCViMLG8C8qWrbODb00LGDpw

Germany
The deceptive promise of free trade | DW Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnW9ZQtI1_E

Italy
In his own words
Matteo Salvini addresses Italian senate about Aquarius migrants ship English subtitles informativa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaEdn1cDho0

Ukraine
The new Henry VIII?
President Poroshenko moves to steal Russian Orthodox

Church property
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947I9ZHV4L0

Pedo-Predators are rampant
(Caution: If you explore more than this one link...you can not unlearn what you find.
Chief Counsel Robert David Steele (ITNJ Seating)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU0YDyThImk

The Deep State is not a myth.

An older PBS interview
The Deep State Hiding in Plain Sight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYS647HTgks

New: CIA Agent Whistleblower Risks All To Expose The Shadow Government
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHbrOg092GA

They are everywhere worldwide
NGOs Are The Deep State's Trojan Horses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r9UrC2uFfM

Something to see here
A GOOD AMERICAN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=666wsDcoNrU

Awareness of the need for Paper-ballots...world-wide.
Evil Men Who Rig Our Elections
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkvVfxZgYd0

About Q versus the MSM (there are many solid links/helps also on the side of this article)
https://www.reddit.com/r/greatawakening/comments/98yduw/connnecting_some_dots/

Fyi, many links of Soros' interviews are banned and some of these here may go soon. Folks...Free-speech IS under attack...world-wide.

My disadvantage does have an advantage; I am able to do what most others cannot. Since you have a Life to Live, I suggest, that if you can help in some way? Pick a battle and do Your Own Research.
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posted August 22, 2018 10:27 PM

Lech Walesa said once: "there is right leg, there is left leg and I am in the middle…"

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Once upon a time
posted August 23, 2018 05:03 PM

phe said:
Lech Walesa said once: "there is right leg, there is left leg and I am in the middle…"

I know about the man of course but no details.

I think the quote above does give a little evidence of frustration he was working for the people.

However, we are in an age where word-art & image are merely tools behind a potent propaganda and far too often, nothing more than BS for desired ends. Not saying he was not a good guy (I have no idea) but today we better research The Image.
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posted August 23, 2018 06:40 PM

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“Knowledge is Power”
For the benefit of individuals and groups, Learning became a crucial necessity to the general advancement of human civilization but opposing the simple benefit of a given community, knowledge became important in the eventual use inside conflict and the destruction of an opposing community. Knowledge became Intelligence.


I find this very interesting in many different ways.

For example, education in the medieval times was a powerful force that upheld the classes in a feudal society. If you have been educated in politics, diplomacy, languages, sciences, religion and warfare when your peasants can't even write their own name it is clear that you regard yourself as better than them. This kind of division is a very real threat in today's world, especially in places where education is unobtainable(either due to cost or availability,) even if the division isn't quite the same.

Then on the other hand, take a look at the German states after the proliferation of the printing press and the education efforts of the clergy. Suddenly masses can read and write, they can count(a lot better than before at least.) All of this enables whole new possibilities for organisations, militaries, workers, rulers. Eventually this leads to German hegemony on the continent(not alone that ofc, but a significant factor.)

Education and knowledge doesn't always mean what you think it does either. Think of WW2 and USA vs Germany. Germany is mostly an agrarian society at this point. USA is the most "modern" society. What do they have in droves that Germans don't? People with a driver's license. Imagine creating logistics for an army when you have to teach all your truck drivers what a clutch is first!

Similarly we can take a look at the modern day information flow. Can you determine what are the skills you'll need to effectively find information? Can you determine what is information is relative to you? Can you determine what is the aim of providing this information to you?

It's a whole set of skills that are badly lacking for, if not majority, at least a very large portion of people. Most of the older generations weren't taught how to find information on the net. Most younger generations weren't taught how to determine what is the aim of providing the information to them. Add to that the masses of people who aren't able to determine what information is relative to them and we've got a whole mess on our hands.

Knowledge is power but remember, without spellpower, your knowledge amounts to nothing
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Once upon a time
posted August 23, 2018 08:03 PM

JoonasTo said:
Knowledge is power but remember, without spellpower, your knowledge amounts to nothing

Excellent response but WE will need to cast...Cleansing.

Cannot comment now but will later, mi amigo bueno.


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posted August 23, 2018 08:19 PM

I kinda feel that the link about the slavmalian alcoholic candy magnate larping as a president(Poroshenko) is missing.

Speaking of that failed state, it should be divided amongst it's neighboring nations. Lwiw is Polish for bleeps sake.
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posted August 23, 2018 08:45 PM

markkur said:
JoonasTo said:
Knowledge is power but remember, without spellpower, your knowledge amounts to nothing

Excellent response but WE will need to cast...Cleansing.


What the actual... Not sure where the excellency of that post is, it lost me completely at the part about Germany being mostly agrarian around WW2 and then the punchline at the end was just cringe. Maybe it's just Elvin trying too hard with that account again, though Elvin would actually know about the cases where knowledge alone would be more than enough to get the job done, all depending on the strategy and the player, so who knows.

But anyway, um, what's this thread about again? Because frankly it seems all over the place with nothing concrete to anchor it.
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The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted August 24, 2018 01:13 AM

Thread cleaned. Needless to say, one of the posts was very much against the HC code of conduct. The person responsible has been penalized and silenced for a short period of time.
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Once upon a time
posted August 24, 2018 02:51 PM

Kipshasz said:
I kinda feel that the link about the slavmalian alcoholic candy magnate larping as a president(Poroshenko) is missing.

Speaking of that failed state, it should be divided amongst it's neighboring nations. Lwiw is Polish for bleeps sake.

You would and should know better than I. I posted that bit for a reason though, I will leave at "meddling ways" but not by the American people.


Stevie said:
But anyway, um, what's this thread about again? Because frankly it seems all over the place with nothing concrete to anchor it.

If you need to see a large global picture regarding corruption but do not want to dictate how it looks but rather want a discussion or questions? I like this idea.

If you remember I am an American, I've given links to topics that connect HERE in the States. But dear friend, after a hell of a lot of reading and digging...it's a small world.

Banking, Trafficking, Rigged trades, Pedo-predators, Voting and NGO Fronts all combine. If you want to ask a specific question about a specific topic I can answer, what I can. Again, I cannot give a full picture, but there is not a topic listed that is not important here in the states, but <imo> these issues spread everywhere.
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Once upon a time
posted August 24, 2018 03:03 PM

JoonasTo said:
I find this very interesting in many different ways.

For example, education in the medieval times was a powerful force that upheld the classes in a feudal society. If you have been educated in politics, diplomacy, languages, sciences, religion and warfare when your peasants can't even write their own name it is clear that you regard yourself as better than them. This kind of division is a very real threat in today's world, especially in places where education is unobtainable(either due to cost or availability,) even if the division isn't quite the same.

Then comes the question...what kind of Education? Handed out like candy, or earned? The good, bad and ugly from History or rewritten opinion more resembling apologetics?

Quote:
Then on the other hand, take a look at the German states after the proliferation of the printing press and the education efforts of the clergy. Suddenly masses can read and write, they can count(a lot better than before at least.) All of this enables whole new possibilities for organizations, militaries, workers, rulers. Eventually this leads to German hegemony on the continent(not alone that ofc, but a significant factor.)

Complex but you know that.

What I will say is this; We better pull Humanity back to Simplicity & Reason and the tried and true scientific principles of improvement or we all will Remain lost behind a growing collection of Grand Usurpations...for Gain.

One link that spans through the Ages; I've seen is what I will call five Gutenburg Epochs. (a simplification of mine but yet notable)

1. First is Writing because way back when, what was said could be shared, preserved, and communicated without the writer/advocate/recorder being physically present, or even breathing.
2. Gutenburg's Printing Press made the New Testament (translations from the original Greek manuscripts) and "eventually" would put the books into the hands of the masses and of course a lot of lies and twisting were soon discovered.
3. Bypassing first-step techs, we next came to Radio, which FDR took full advantage in his "Fireside Chats."
4. Television that eventually lead to Sat-Cable, where Politicians could not only sound the part (Radio) but now with Images had to "look the Part."
5. Since nearly all the MSM in the USA is owned by 5-6 Multinational Corporations, President Trump (or any outsider) had to use the Internet to have ANY chance of winning.

[For anyone interested in our current media...look-up "Operation Mockingbird." This is NOT fiction folks; our Congress had a hearing on this crap in the 1970's before many of you were alive.]

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Education and knowledge doesn't always mean what you think it does either. Think of WW2 and USA vs Germany. Germany is mostly an agrarian society at this point. USA is the most "modern" society. What do they have in droves that Germans don't? People with a driver's license. Imagine creating logistics for an army when you have to teach all your truck drivers what a clutch is first!


No disagreement from me. But again the view is much larger than widescreen.

There is a reality that scares me to no-end and it lies within the word; Perspective. I wish I was merely talking about a definition explaining drawing a picture but unfortunately, it also means point-of-view.

Today, our children and children's children are hearing words that DO NOT mean what they once upon a time meant.

Consider: What if Greed entered into debate as a Titan and blasted terms and their intended meanings to bits? Orwell's fear...in action.

One example of hundreds; What if a "supposed Christian Group" created a logo or Org. that said "Spread Love all over the world like butter" but the Fruit of that Tree was anything but Love...on the ground?

What if Liberal, Conservative, Republican, Democrat, Independent and any other party from the past...generally behind the scenes, meant one "chosen" candidate? Both sides against the middle in-action?

Fyi, A quote from one of our founding-fathers:

From...GEORGE WASHINGTON’S FAREWELL ADDRESS ON SEPTEMBER 18TH, 1796

"    Let me now…Warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful (deadly) effects of the spirit of Party generally. This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but in those of the popular form it is seen in its greatest rankness and is truly their worst enemy.
    The alternate domination of one faction over the other, sharpened by the spirit of revenge natural to party-dissention, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities,(wickedness) is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism.(government, political system dominated by a despot) The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purpose of his own elevation on the ruins of the public liberty…
    It is important…that the habits of thinking in a free country should inspire caution in those entrusted with its administrations to confine themselves within their respective constitutional-spheres, avoiding in the exercise of the powers of one department to encroach (trespass) upon another. The spirit of encroachment tends to consolidate the powers of all the departments in one and thus create, whatever the form of government, a real despotism…"

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Similarly we can take a look at the modern day information flow. Can you determine what are the skills you'll need to effectively find information? Can you determine what is information is relative to you? Can you determine what is the aim of providing this information to you?


Hindsight seems to work very nicely.<LOL>

There is no way I can describe nor navigate the snakes-nest we are ALL inside now. For me, the root problem of our current problems must be brought back to inside each one of us, if there is ever going to be realized hope in & towards the Future.

Simply stated: If each of us care not for Truth and Morality in our own hearts, we will not have the bedrock to elect a representative that does. In reality, why even care abut the said candidate's actions?

To me, here's another way that things went south very fast.

Whenever I read of past presidents or a sitting president (Clinton) that lied to their Wives and were screwing around on their mates? I heard endless-droning of what I deem a damned warped view of basic Commitment: "Who cares, what the man does with his johnson, it's his own business."

Like in some freakin' magical land, such a person that could not be trusted by one (1 folks!) devotee, would be "a natural" for the reigns of one of the most powerful military forces on the planet and by some miraculous & mysterious counter-default, then emerge as the LEADER for "We the People"? Wake-up and Consider why people like this are...The Chosen.

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It's a whole set of skills that are badly lacking for, if not majority, at least a very large portion of people. Most of the older generations weren't taught how to find information on the net. Most younger generations weren't taught how to determine what is the aim of providing the information to them. Add to that the masses of people who aren't able to determine what information is relative to them and we've got a whole mess on our hands."


And that scares the hell out of me. Not for me because my trip is nearly over, but I do realize with Tech and Treachery spinning out of control, it truly is not easy for younger generations to comprehend yesterday's costly lessons, long before their birth and therefore have no ready alarm - when they are not even aware of the need for such a proposition and effort. Worse follows when it is kept from them.
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 24, 2018 03:49 PM

This so deserves a proper reaponse that I fear I will not have time to write. Unless it rains all the time for the next two weeks and elvin is too busy to work with me and someone cooks for me everyday ofc xD

But a very simple point to illustrate just the pure amount of information available these days:

There were a bunch of retirements in our company over the summer and majority(actual majority) quoted works from the ancient times or used a latin phrase in their farewell letter. I was pretty stunned. Out of the people under 30 I know, there’s one friend of mine whom I can say would get all of them, One. But for people their age, this is common culture.

This is not that the younger are less educated, on the contrary. it’s just that they’re more likely to have read Song of Ice and Fire than Iliad. Heck, I have read far more pages of japanese/korean/chinese comics by now than I have read of western comics or traditional western or eastern books. It’s a matter of availability. There is so much more easily available to us these days that we can’t even hope to skim a fraction of it. Much less spend time to delve into everything deeply. So what is presented to us, one way or another, has a massive lead over everything else. This was always the same ofc but the percentage of information presented was a lot higher. This is only going to keep going as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 50 years Romeo & Juliet is completely alien to the new generations.

And it’s never limited to just culture. It’s all information. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are already people who don’t know there’s a war in syria, not because they live where information can’t reach them but because they live somewhere where they have so much of it, they can’t hope to skim enough of it.
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Once upon a time
posted August 24, 2018 05:29 PM
Edited by markkur at 17:32, 24 Aug 2018.

JoonasTo said:
This so deserves a proper reaponse that I fear I will not have time to write. Unless it rains all the time for the next two weeks and elvin is too busy to work with me and someone cooks for me everyday ofc xD

But a very simple point to illustrate just the pure amount of information available these days:

There were a bunch of retirements in our company over the summer and majority(actual majority) quoted works from the ancient times or used a latin phrase in their farewell letter. I was pretty stunned. Out of the people under 30 I know, there’s one friend of mine whom I can say would get all of them, One. But for people their age, this is common culture.

western comics or traditional western or eastern books. It’s a matter of availability. There is so much more easily available to us these days that we can’t even hope to skim a fraction of it. Much less spend time to delve into This is not that the younger are less educated, on the contrary. it’s just that they’re more likely to have read Song of Ice and Fire than Iliad. Heck, I have read far more pages of japanese/korean/chinese comics by now than I have read of everything deeply. So what is presented to us, one way or another, has a massive lead over everything else. This was always the same ofc but the percentage of information presented was a lot higher. This is only going to keep going as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 50 years Romeo & Juliet is completely alien to the new generations.

And it’s never limited to just culture. It’s all information. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are already people who don’t know there’s a war in syria, not because they live where information can’t reach them but because they live somewhere where they have so much of it, they can’t hope to skim enough of it.

Bugz eyes.

First off...I need to make an important point about the spot I am centered on this "barrage" as it will likely be seen.


I sincerely appreciate your effort and engagement. That is exactly what I seek. However, I desire not to make all connections that have come into view because I have fell victim to trusting images &  rhetoric that I should not have trusted. Available time is relevant to each of us...unless of course...we care for very little.

My goal is to question and research and not dictate all answers. <imo>Everyday folks in every nation need to question what they hear, watch and "buy". Ever heard of impulse-buying? It's far more than odd-items at a check-out counter.

Fyi @All

I posted in the manner I have for a few reasons.

1. My personal Rust-Dragon has much longer and sharper teeth these days. (not bites now but a constant chew) My meds became poison and I am chiefly living with an intensity of pain, that is very difficult...body-wise.
2. As I said, I do not expect anyone here to wade through that list of issues because few here have the "time-advantage" that I do. I feel an obligation to make this "general" attempt because the Information-age is too often...a bloody mess.
3. Hopefully, this thread will remain and when an opportunity arises, folks will come back and either very slowly pursue something and/or keep sharing and caring about what matters to them...even when the world famous markkur the silver-beard is gone and his endless hours of creating H5 landscapes...forgotten.

Make it Great ladies and gentlemen.
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posted August 24, 2018 09:57 PM

Marrkur, I don't really know what you're currently going trough so the background of this eludes me. However, if there is one thing I can tell you, one thing I expect a Christian like you to understand and relate to, is that the one truth you can definitely rely on is God's Word. Everything else I have learned to distrust and treat with skepticism on principle. The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, you know that. Don't pay any heed to the game of lies this world puts on show to steal your attention from what truly matters - Jesus Christ is the only salvation we've been given. Compared to that, the folly of man can only be powerless and irrelevant.
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted August 24, 2018 11:24 PM

“Freedom means, you are not forced to lie.”

Freedom means you won’t need to lie.
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What if Elvin was female?
posted August 25, 2018 01:10 PM

Always good to see you back Markkur.

I'll have to admit, I have been avoiding politics and law myself. Could be my disappointment, could be that there is not much I can do unless enough people start waking up. Could be that every single one of our political parties are a goddamn hazard to Greece and there is not one that I trust. I am of course aware that staying in the background doesn't make things any better.

Learning is such a crucial aspect, both for understanding where we are, where we have been and where we could or should be. As long as we know where it comes from, whether it checks out and how or why it is given. I find it unbelievable how the media can create a huge fuss over something, people rise in uproar and soon forget about it again as if it was resolved. Poof, gone, like it never happened. Aren't we sensational creatures. As long as there is fear or doubt, we can be totally blindsided to our real options. But as long as we have a clear direction it's fine, no confusion.

In ancient Greece, citizens were a lot more involved with their cities. Both in taking decisions that affect all(actual democracy, as opposed to whatever we have now) and in getting things done. When Athens wanted to build a ship, it would give control of its construction to the wealthy citizens along with a sum of money and a deadline. If they could save costs by more intelligent construction or otherwise efficient work, they would keep the profit. If they delayed or made shoddy work, they would cover the extra expenses out of their own pockets. Today, those who take over constructions instead pocket the money and end up doing shoddy work or finish after several years(at best). No consequences to fear.

So how can I not adopt an off with their heads mentality Make people responsible for doing their work and punish them with appropriate severity if they do not. But anyone who's tried to make things better for the country, has been expelled by the system one way or another. Bad for business.

JoonasTo said:
This so deserves a proper reaponse that I fear I will not have time to write. Unless it rains all the time for the next two weeks and elvin is too busy to work with me and someone cooks for me everyday ofc xD

Oh the humanity!

JoonasTo said:
This is not that the younger are less educated, on the contrary. it’s just that they’re more likely to have read Song of Ice and Fire than Iliad. [...] There is so much more easily available to us these days that we can’t even hope to skim a fraction of it. Much less spend time to delve into everything deeply. So what is presented to us, one way or another, has a massive lead over everything else.

Availability certainly influences our thought process and culture/values. But beyond that, overexposure to information from a myriad sources can be a source of divided attention, unless one knows what to prioritize. Simply not enough time to read or do everything, much less verify and see how it applies to oneself. People are more likely to check on their (numerous)netflix series on their to-do list than read history or stay current on contemporary events and achievements/discoveries.
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markkur
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Once upon a time
posted August 25, 2018 04:20 PM
Edited by markkur at 16:23, 25 Aug 2018.

@Stevie
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Marrkur, I don't really know what you're currently going trough so the background of this eludes me. However, if there is one thing I can tell you, one thing I expect a Christian like you to understand and relate to, is that the one truth you can definitely rely on is God's Word. Everything else I have learned to distrust and treat with skepticism on principle. The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, you know that. Don't pay any heed to the game of lies this world puts on show to steal your attention from what truly matters - Jesus Christ is the only salvation we've been given. Compared to that, the folly of man can only be powerless and irrelevant.

<manly-man-embrace>

I doubt I can write a brief response and craft-it pleasant.

"We are IN the world but not OF the world."

For too long a time I lived in the world "lukewarm" and split my objectives between the inside and outside worlds. Now this is no bad life, when in the traditional roles of husband & father but as Paul admitted, he'd rather we did not marry and get bogged down with everyday issues. Do I think that was meant for us all? No way, not close. If we look at the context of his battles and ministries, he was on-a-mission and needed a strong core-group.

Anyway, moving on; over many years I went from street-ministries to music ministries, to the full blown church habits of all kinds, finally upon my meeting Mr. Arthur-Itis, living a constant sabbatical.

This stuff I do now, is not about me, past being "my" grandfatherly self. <imo> The people around me, are being steamrolled by lies, deception and misdirection.

I believe, no matter our beliefs, "most" of us know something is wrong but in short...I'm in what to do about it?

I cannot always simply say:
"Little Faith in Christ will take your soul to heaven but great Faith in Christ will bring heaven to your soul."

The sad truth is, most so-called Christians do not have the discipline of Truth to understand what that saying truly means, every day they draw breath.


@artu

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“Freedom means, you are not forced to lie.”

Freedom means you won’t need to lie.


Two-sides of the same coin. Although, I will let my quote stand because it came from Emma (Bonhoeffer? Dietrich's sister in-law) when explaining the terror of navigating Nazi-Germany.

Elvin said:
Always good to see you back Markkur.

Thanks brother o' mine

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I'll have to admit, I have been avoiding politics and law myself. Could be my disappointment, could be that there is not much I can do unless enough people start waking up. Could be that every single one of our political parties are a goddamn hazard to Greece and there is not one that I trust. I am of course aware that staying in the background doesn't make things any better.

I have an assignment for you.
Examine the U.S. Constitution in detail and see if Greece has any like-mechanism to allow the people to call the shots.

Understand...I think that document is the only thing that can be described as American exceptionalism. Not the people but the platform.
Just because folks here choose to NOT understand their own power, does not mean that the same cannot be forged and achieved some place else. Fyi, we are in a dog-fight to get it back in any way shape or form. I cannot complain because I am more guilty than most.

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Learning is such a crucial aspect, both for understanding where we are, where we have been and where we could or should be. As long as we know where it comes from, whether it checks out and how or why it is given. I find it unbelievable how the media can create a huge fuss over something, people rise in uproar and soon forget about it again as if it was resolved. Poof, gone, like it never happened. Aren't we sensational creatures. As long as there is fear or doubt, we can be totally blindsided to our real options. But as long as we have a clear direction it's fine, no confusion.

It does not help when our foes know and design such chaos and keep refining knee-jerk emotional outbursts that are not even centered on Truth. I don't do Twitter but <imo> sites like that are "designed" for one thing only and that is...conflict. Analyze that <um> interaction?

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In ancient Greece, citizens were a lot more involved with their cities. Both in taking decisions that affect all(actual democracy, as opposed to whatever we have now) and in getting things done. When Athens wanted to build a ship, it would give control of its construction to the wealthy citizens along with a sum of money and a deadline. If they could save costs by more intelligent construction or otherwise efficient work, they would keep the profit. If they delayed or made shoddy work, they would cover the extra expenses out of their own pockets. Today, those who take over constructions instead pocket the money and end up doing shoddy work or finish after several years(at best). No consequences to fear.

Believe it or not, our early leaders here in the States were not PAID but served out of Duty.<LOL> Look at what we have NOW.

We ARE a Republic and not merely Mob-Rule. Btw, most Americans do not know the difference and too many do not care.

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So how can I not adopt an off with their heads mentality Make people responsible for doing their work and punish them with appropriate severity if they do not. But anyone who's tried to make things better for the country, has been expelled by the system one way or another. Bad for business.

Trust me...my natural disposition is a true "Son of Thunder". A long war it has been...on the inside.

In my day, it has been called, The Man, The Establishment, The Machine, etc. and in my own words, the power behind the throne; it all means the same.

My very simple advice is to learn "your system" and stand for the simple-tools (in place or not) that all people can understand and more important...desperately need and want, to control more of their privacy and Life.

Folks today have "tools" that previous generations could not even dream to use. Learn, Organize, reach-out and say it with Love.
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AnkVaati
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posted August 26, 2018 03:02 PM
Edited by AnkVaati at 15:06, 26 Aug 2018.

Have to say I don't believe that the problem with Christianity is not how its modern day Churches have strayed from any supposed original teachings. The problem with Christianity rather lies within its Abrahamite core. If you worship a malevolent entity that gives you wordily riches and the "right" to different things (often at the expense of other living beings) in exchange for being worshipped, all of those fundie ideas - from beating children because independent thinking is a "revolt against god" to discriminating unbelievers, ignoring the well-being of animals or nature for the benefit of humans or forcing people to belief - entirely make sense. It's not "usurpation" - its the command of the demonic Abrahamite god. Christianity and Islam takes it to entirely new levels by striving for wold domination and subjugating everyone to him. In these moral systems all you have to do is utter the words "Jesus/Muhammed is saviour" (or a variant thereof) and that's the difference between eternal salvation or damnation. This is the basis for all mainstream Christianity. And its sickening.

Funnily enough even Jesus realised this and rejected the offer of the demon god when he went out in the desert, in contrast to others like Abraham, Moses, Muhammad etc. My favourite guru, Sri Dharma Pravartaka Acharya, has even acknowledged Jesus as a master of Dharma who was probably killed because of his opposition to the abrahamites. Christianity was founded by Paul... after meeting an entity in the desert... -.-

I've heard similar stuff coming from people who claim that Rome "corrupted" Christianity. Nope. Its the other way around. The Romans correctly realised how the totalitarian dna of the Christian religion wasn't compatible with the tolerance and diversity that was the foundation of the Roman state. Hadn't it been for Christianity, our natural religions might well have encountered eastern philosophy after a while and complemented each other. Europe could have been like China were people are often Buddhist, Taoist and Confucian all at the same time. We could have had a peaceful rivalry between different philosophical ideas. But sadly, the totalitarian abrahamite world view made all of that an impossibility.

Oh and I used to be a Christian once upon a time. So I don't at all feel any sort of hostility towards Christians in general. Rather, I kinda long to break the shackles of the desert entity that has enthralled our folk for so long..
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markkur
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Once upon a time
posted August 26, 2018 04:40 PM
Edited by markkur at 18:22, 26 Aug 2018.

@AnkVaati

Nevermind, I copied your post to the thread and will come back to it in a bit, even if it is above my pay-grade.<vbg>

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=41957&pagenumber=40

Please take no offense...you did not exactly make a simple post but if I pursue this here...well, hopefully you know the HC-tradition.

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Once upon a time
posted August 26, 2018 07:45 PM
Edited by markkur at 19:47, 26 Aug 2018.

Media and Truth?

iirc, Corbett is an ex-Canadian? living in Japan. An important point I need to make about this report or any link I give is this: I follow a great many "Researchers" and regarding the voices I have m/l settled upon at present, I never treat anyone as the end-all behind true news. Even a good reporter or researcher can get something wrong...right?

I mention that bit, because <imvho> fanboys and fangirls are not generally a good idea, no matter their interest and the product pushed. {I will soon give an example of what I mean and my view centers today on the current clash between the MSM, Alt-Media and qanon.}

There are serious issues at hand and Corbett's take is <imo> well worth the view.

Pricking the Filter Bubble
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiNDNyh-XtA
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In a recent post...to deflect any hostility towards my instant-hypothetical, I made up a simple cover-story/statement about "a Christian group that was not about what it seemed." If I choose my own back-yard to criticize...it makes for more tranquil discussion.

Viola!.Lo and behold, not long after...this story hits the press...outside the MSM?

What is True behind the diplomatic-confrontation between the USA and Turkey?
Newsbud report mentioning the See-eye-AAAAAA; fact or fiction?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a5U7wgvbZc

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Switching gears, these links are for a Student interested in the Power behind our Throne. These two 2-part broadcasts were done by an old program called Alternative View.

I know this stuff will take a commitment of time but for those people that truly want to understand what has happened to the US of A and why this history remains important today? GATT is now the World Trade Organization {WTO} and NAFTA remains in our headlines to this very day. Understanding the American stage...I believe will help people living elsewhere better navigate today's global-stage.

Btw, if a person thinks something important but that person's passion or skills are generally somewhere else? Maybe said person has a friend that would have a strong interest in trying to uncover the machinations at work now?

Who Rules United States of America? (1987) Part 1 of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUQaNJILTdg
Who Rules United States of America? (1987) Part 2 of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UJXqafEb8g

Does the story above lead to the story below?

GATT & NAFTA: Goodby Democracy! Goodby Prosperity! (1994) - PART 1 of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-06p2eJGNk
GATT & NAFTA: Goodby Democracy! Goodby Prosperity! (1994) - PART 2 of 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgTGuI3e5rU

Maybe of interest? To better understand the mystery behind the inner-workings of my America? These last two links should give at the very least...some Entertainment.

Hmmm. A 100 Secret Societies? Does it matter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON8xq0djCRk

Summer Camp for the Powerful: The Power Elite at Bohemian Grove (Domhoff, 1994)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtDDMfKYfMg
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Once upon a time
posted August 28, 2018 05:12 PM

Before I can get to "my take" on qanon...I need to paint a backdrop.

Through the glass darkly; my American perspective from the outside, looking in.[Necessarily...a very, very brief overview]

1. In the early 20th century the US Federal Reserve Bank was created. This was and is a private bank and the only thing Federal about it, is that it has been used to fleece the average US taxpayer. "He who controls the money-supply...controls the nation."
[Read Creature from Jekyll Island}

2. Enormous profits are made from loans supporting both sides of WW!.

3. The World-wide great-depression in 1929. Caused by the Bankers?

4. FDR takes the USA off the Gold-Standard...creating Fiat money and giving the World-Bankers even more control and power.

5. Tremendous sums of money are made off both sides of WWII. Huge debts are incurred for the common-folk of nearly all nations. [Playing both sides against the middle, guarantees that Banks will win the money-war.]

6. WWII ends with a new Cold-War in place. All the machinery of war and all the money that was spent on technology, weapons, espionage and propaganda during the war does not disappear behind Peace but grows as the THREAT of nuclear-war dominates the world's people.

7. The UN is born and its laws overrule the laws of sovereign nations.

8. Many "oversight committees" and "world money organizations" are born.

8. The paper-money of the US becomes the world-currency. Oil soon emerges into the forefront of banking concerns and control.

9. Intelligence agencies multiply and garner more and more money and legitimize their hidden-power and control.

10. Non-elected power-centers that control various countries and economies and governments emerge and nearly all citizens everywhere are ignorant of these changes.

11. JFK goes against the cartel in the US and is assassinated.

12. State-medias continue to emerge and feed the narratives inside all nations. Independent Media will slowly disappear behind the Corporate consolidations and "chosen images will be reading scripts."

13. Trade-deals between nations begin appearing and the average citizen has no idea whatsoever what these agreements have in them and for what purpose.

14. The Soviet Union falls and the world-bankers fleece the country, for their own profits.

15. With the Cold War ended, a new enemy is needed for the Industrial Military Complex and the War of Terror is born. Once again...it is both sides against the middle behind an open-ended phrase.

16. Proxy wars are fueled and the people misled...everywhere.

17. Western populations already taxed to the max, lose their jobs and savings behind manipulated markets and next comes the wave of forced-migrants (victims) to divide nations.

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