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fred79
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posted August 28, 2018 05:57 PM
Edited by fred79 at 18:02, 28 Aug 2018.

markkur said:
Before I can get to "my take" on qanon...I need to paint a backdrop.

Through the glass darkly; my American perspective from the outside, looking in.[Necessarily...a very, very brief overview]

1. In the early 20th century the US Federal Reserve Bank was created. This was and is a private bank and the only thing Federal about it, is that it has been used to fleece the average US taxpayer. "He who controls the money-supply...controls the nation."
[Read Creature from Jekyll Island}

2. Enormous profits are made from loans supporting both sides of WW!.

3. The World-wide great-depression in 1929. Caused by the Bankers?

4. FDR takes the USA off the Gold-Standard...creating Fiat money and giving the World-Bankers even more control and power.

5. Tremendous sums of money are made off both sides of WWII. Huge debts are incurred for the common-folk of nearly all nations. [Playing both sides against the middle, guarantees that Banks will win the money-war.]

6. WWII ends with a new Cold-War in place. All the machinery of war and all the money that was spent on technology, weapons, espionage and propaganda during the war does not disappear behind Peace but grows as the THREAT of nuclear-war dominates the world's people.

7. The UN is born and its laws overrule the laws of sovereign nations.

8. Many "oversight committees" and "world money organizations" are born.

8. The paper-money of the US becomes the world-currency. Oil soon emerges into the forefront of banking concerns and control.

9. Intelligence agencies multiply and garner more and more money and legitimize their hidden-power and control.

10. Non-elected power-centers that control various countries and economies and governments emerge and nearly all citizens everywhere are ignorant of these changes.

11. JFK goes against the cartel in the US and is assassinated.

12. State-medias continue to emerge and feed the narratives inside all nations. Independent Media will slowly disappear behind the Corporate consolidations and "chosen images will be reading scripts."

13. Trade-deals between nations begin appearing and the average citizen has no idea whatsoever what these agreements have in them and for what purpose.

14. The Soviet Union falls and the world-bankers fleece the country, for their own profits.

15. With the Cold War ended, a new enemy is needed for the Industrial Military Complex and the War of Terror is born. Once again...it is both sides against the middle behind an open-ended phrase.

16. Proxy wars are fueled and the people misled...everywhere.

17. Western populations already taxed to the max, lose their jobs and savings behind manipulated markets and next comes the wave of forced-migrants (victims) to divide nations.


i don't doubt any of this; not for one second.

i'll add, that all the technology we have, is doing the same thing(dividing), while keeping those in power alert to the exploited masses' thoughts and plans. if you have any doubt, get a security clearance and search for jobs. you'll find thousands of surveillance jobs available. all the information the greedheads need to know, is right there online(both on the darknet and the internet). every bit of new tech being pushed, are just eyes(cameras) and ears(microphones) for the overlords(not to mention, to take a peek into your habits, so they can further exploit you). just think of WHY they would find it a good idea to be able to use cameras to scan faces into a database, and to also be able to read emotions on human faces(no, it's not just for the cool factor, or because they simply CAN). same thing with traffic cameras. you think those traffic cameras are there for traffic? once you make the connection between them and trail cameras for deer hunting, you'll get the gist of their true purpose. they let the hunter(those in power, in this instance) know where the deer(the populace) are going(habits. so they can plan accordingly in case, say, there is an exodus towards any of their points of interest in an ACTUAL attempt to stop them in their tracks). meaning, they'll see you coming before you even get started. put it all together(their laws, their taxes, their police/political/media control, their corporations and agencies), and you get the full picture: control.

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posted August 28, 2018 06:25 PM

Generosity Fred, generosity is the key factor into concretising prosperous and peaceful nations, when people start holding powers and services, or even properties, that tighwardness is the first sign of the decline of the civilisation genre.

It's not UN laws that overrule nations' rules, but USA's. A lot of nations disregard UN and are doing just fine.
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posted August 28, 2018 06:31 PM

AlHazin said:
It's not UN laws that overrule nations' rules, but USA's.


who do you think runs the UN? or the USA, for that matter? the answer is simple.

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posted August 28, 2018 09:14 PM

AlHazin said:
It's not UN laws that overrule nations' rules, but USA's. A lot of nations disregard UN and are doing just fine.
Greetings my friend...from Hot Mizzou.

I'll only say, when a nation like America has laws regarding how international issues are to be handled and those laws are ignored as if they do not exist? We have the START of the mess we have today, IF, there is an interest, I will explain my take on that reality we navigate today.

fred79 said:
who do you think runs the UN? or the USA, for that matter? the answer is simple.

Yup. There's much more than meets the eye.
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Thanks guys for posting something/anything; tis no fun making the effort and merely trusting someone gives a flip. Believing "each mind" is very important, I've done this bit many times over the years and at various sites but it is nice to have some interaction.

I'll make a couple more general posts and my hope is, we can have a few interested people here, discussing what we think about current global news. Just remember, that it is not likely anyone here knows all that needs to be known.<vbg>

Honestly, the chief reason I am doing this bit, is because it is a global forum and however small in participation, I want to make the effort to reflect on the conflicts we are all sold. This affects every one of us....right where we live.

If there is a "bottom line" regarding where I am today and what I hope to contribute here, it would be for us as friends to ask the question Why? towards many important issues...together.
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posted August 29, 2018 05:59 AM

markkur said:
Two-sides of the same coin

Kind of... but you still got the heads and the tails, grandpa.
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posted August 29, 2018 10:30 AM

@MArkkur

late reply but w/e

Regarding Slavmalia, I try to disconnect from all of it, because it's been what, 4 years almost, if not more, of crap 24/7. With embezzlement of military goods (surplus AKs and other Warsaw Pact weapons, as well as helmets, vests, other pieces of kit were sent off to Slavmalia), and slavmalian "troops" mooching off our already crappy healthcare system(going as far as nurses trying to shove slavmalian scumbags in front of people who were waiting for procedure x for a couple of months at least), and their "gestarbeiters", who's hands grow out of their rear end, completely dominate the construction sector, leaving local specialists one option - emigrating to western crapholes like Britain.
Recently, some slavmalians decided to kill eachother in my home town. stabbed each other and set their rented apartment on fire. out of I believe 4 slavmalian dirtbags, 1 survived this "blood orgy" as the papers named it.

I wish Trump would drop some of his MOABs on Kiev at this point.

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posted August 29, 2018 03:25 PM

artu said:
markkur said:
Two-sides of the same coin

Kind of... but you still got the heads and the tails, grandpa.

Agreed. Emmi=Heads and Artu=Tails

I don't remember which episode of World at War had this part of her interview inserted but the "forced" happened this way:

Her friend was a spiritualist that claimed some sort of second-sight and this woman had told her daughter that she knew that there would be an attempt on Hitler's Life (iirc Wolf's lair) and this mystic's daughter went to school and bragged about this vision to a party-official's child. That child said that his/her dad would go after her mother, or something to that effect and told this to Emmi when she came home from school.

Emmi hurried over to this friend's house and told her to leave.
Two men arrived looking for this woman and Emmi lied saying she was out doing some shopping and the men waited.

Emmi talked to them about "all the great things about the local school" etc.

The two men decided to come back but when they got up to leave, one of them saw a large book next the woman's bed and said; "I see she has a copy of Mein Kampf"<sp?>

Emmi, replied: "Of course doesn't every good German have a copy of Mein Kampf?"

They were now satisfied and left. Emmi went to see what the hell the book actually was and it was a dictionary,

Btw, remember when you asked me why I changed my mind of Bernie Sanders late in 16?

At that time, I had not engaged in American Politics for a long time and never very much at that.

I listened to one Speech from that charlatan that was ALL about Corp-greed. Now, in my ignorance of today's politics, I knew nothing more about the man. Once I got off my butt and did a little digging, I realized my knee-jerk reaction was reckless. I'll not be making that mistake again. Call it my red-pill moment.

Of course. later on when he was cheated by the Clinton Machine Collusion...he backed her...and I needed no more evidence.

I still detest Politics but we gotta do what we gotta do.  

Kipshasz said:
@MArkkur

late reply but w/e

Regarding Slavmalia, I try to disconnect from all of it, because it's been what, 4 years almost, if not more, of crap 24/7. With embezzlement of military goods (surplus AKs and other Warsaw Pact weapons, as well as helmets, vests, other pieces of kit were sent off to Slavmalia), and slavmalian "troops" mooching off our already crappy healthcare system(going as far as nurses trying to shove slavmalian scumbags in front of people who were waiting for procedure x for a couple of months at least), and their "gestarbeiters", who's hands grow out of their rear end, completely dominate the construction sector, leaving local specialists one option - emigrating to western crapholes like Britain.
Recently, some slavmalians decided to kill eachother in my home town. stabbed each other and set their rented apartment on fire. out of I believe 4 slavmalian dirtbags, 1 survived this "blood orgy" as the papers named it.

I wish Trump would drop some of his MOABs on Kiev at this point.


I hope they will be Truth-projectiles.

From what I have read, it appears certain members of our deep state were involved there but info is hard to come by.

I imagine your MSM is like ours and basically worthless but do you have alt-sources that cover the Government-situation (big picture)  that are proven reliable for you?

"People like movies; we have a lot of 'movies' playing right now."

Btw, an aside...I don't like the phrase "draining the Swamp" because a Swamp/Bog/Morass is a natural thing. I prefer cleaning DC's Sewer-system.

Stay safe.
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posted August 29, 2018 04:26 PM

Oh god, our MSM is actually far, far worse. esspecially the whole Russia bullcrap. Alternative sources are the same. Some even make Alex Jones and PJW(I always seen them as entertainment and not news, thats for you my dear 40 year old virgin kebab) look like the most credible sources out there.
One alt media site recently had an article entitled "Grandparents are killing their grandkids", which is a hotchpotch of topics from overloving grandparents who give their little treasures tons of sugar, to harmfulness of porn. The afromention site is also a location to pan-slavic theory an putin circle jerk. same with other alternative sites.
Only somewhat credible source is a blog ran by a dude with a doctorate in biochemistry or something like that. He at least tries to be objective.


You also need to take into account that we've never had a desovietisation taking place. not back then, not now, and possibly not ever. unless a drastic regime changes (elephant's dreams here really)


Yeah, some deep state officials of yours were involved, songbird McCain being the main one.

Slavmalia in general is still in it's tribal stage, been this way since Kievan Rus. It shouldn't exist, period. The people are pretty much like your good boys from the ghetto that dindu nuffin. only revved up to complete and utter insanity.

I forsee that in the coming years I could use some of those Best Amendment rights you have across the pond.
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posted August 29, 2018 04:54 PM

who is the deep state lol
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posted August 29, 2018 06:39 PM

in essence a group of influential people of power, using their influence to manipulate events and policies of the country.
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posted August 29, 2018 07:07 PM

Kipshasz said:
in essence a group of influential people of power, using their influence to manipulate events and policies of the country.


can you list some examples of specific people, who is the big brain trust for instance lol
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posted August 29, 2018 07:18 PM

one of them died recently. and good riddance to him.
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posted August 29, 2018 07:46 PM

Kipshasz said:
one of them died recently. and good riddance to him.


who was that, was it John McCain lol

can you name some other people who are the deep state, are they the republicans lol
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posted August 29, 2018 08:00 PM

The people operating within the deep state or whatever is called are not going to yell on the roofs what they do and why, so asking for names is pointless. Personally I don't think there is some articulated conspiracy out there, but more of an ideology shared among power holding people, like the guys owning the press, the social platforms and the research engines. All is about information today, if you control how the information spreads, what is told and what should not be told, then you get a serious advantage. Seeing how dishonest the left-leaned press became, it is safe to name news anchors and journalists etc as the deep state. This is not to say right-leaning press isn't using the same procedures, they do, but when you have 90% of the press left-leaning in USA, then 100% in Europe, this becomes a serious imbalance about how every largely shared opinion is effectively heard and discussed.  

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posted August 29, 2018 08:23 PM

Kipshasz said:
Oh god, our MSM is actually far, far worse. esspecially the whole Russia bullcrap. Alternative sources are the same. Some even make Alex Jones and PJW(I always seen them as entertainment and not news, thats for you my dear 40 year old virgin kebab) look like the most credible sources out there.
One alt media site recently had an article entitled "Grandparents are killing their grandkids", which is a hotchpotch of topics from overloving grandparents who give their little treasures tons of sugar, to harmfulness of porn. The afromention site is also a location to pan-slavic theory an putin circle jerk. same with other alternative sites.
Only somewhat credible source is a blog ran by a dude with a doctorate in biochemistry or something like that. He at least tries to be objective.

Well, that sounds about like what we have here and I expected that explanation m/l.

I am going to say something important here and will not assume that you already know this. Follow the trail that naturally surfaces in propaganda-wars and what will be see?

1. When any nation has no-independent news sources, than all "we the people" can get is...their narrative. Today, folks-everywhere desire Truth more than ever, but what the hell to do about it?

2. In the past, there were only hand-distributed-circulars and often these underground printing-operations were dangerous efforts that got a lot of patriots killed in various nations.

3. Today, we have what those people in the past, could only have dreamed about then and today, thousands of alternative media sites are booming on-line.

4. Now, the "Powers that are" do not want these avenues of information to exist, because even the silly ones, (You Tube has been full of crazy crap for years) are out of their controlling grasp.

5. However, some sites are not nutz but are actually doing what our MSM once did (generally) behind real journalism. Today, what do I see? Male and Female models that have been personally selected and handed a gravy-train of the big-bucks to read the 4 a.m. talking points distributed by the OWNERS. This is a fact and several folks have made lists of news-sites all saying m/l the same BS on the very same days. I'll add...for the same intended purpose. Think Projection.

6. Now that we have alternative sources of information, if YOU wanted to damage what is out of your control and have lots of money or gifts to give, what would you do? I'd buy some more folks to "play along" with the opposition but through a different kind of effort; I'd twist and turn information to muddy the waters, attack others and anything I thought necessary to discredit what I did not want folks to follow. This is one form only, of what is called controlled-opposition and it is no myth; in fact it is very dangerous.

I witnessed the progression above, from inside the Qanon-movement and these tactics have played out like clockwork. Early this year, there were those that had been "IN" and then suddenly "in-tandem" bailed, and claimed their own "superior sources and INSIDERS" and decried the movement of which they had been...supposedly a part?

And how did this happen? What trigged AJ, JC and a few others to cry-foul? Q posted a simple warning to all of us and used not one name; (NOT ONE NAME) "Be careful who you follow" Qanon also stated; "This movement is NOT about money"

Not long after, other anons made this new distinction. Patriots versus PAYtriots.

fyi, the 1st anon movement I know about happened during the years of the American Independence movement. Thomas Paine wrote a book called Common Sense but did not give his name; he was afraid to. The book proved to be a powerful discussion tool used in our breaking away from the control of Britain's King.

I don't follow either dude now but it's not about their right to make money. All U-tubers that create stuff have a right to earn some payback for their time and efforts; people can support them or not, it's their choice. But when GREED comes in, it changes the landscape for this man.

Here's a couple of Sites, (hopefully you can see them) one Aussie and one now somewhere in Asia (I think, might be confusing him with Corbett in Japan)and both are covering important issues for us all.

In Pursuit of Truth Presents
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAyrKoW31y5UcsRjh2ItvxQ
[Patrick's last two posts (2-part update) are about current things but if you or anyone here has questions I can help to some degree.]

Stroppy Me
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPnJt34wXxGvH-ZaeTCO1kQ
[Stroppy's recent posts are covering some very concerning $$$ trails.]

The bottom-line on Qanon is it is designed to get people to think, reason and ask the hard questions about a great many issues that are hidden from the people's view. Already good things are indeed happening but there are bigger stories to come. This is NOT an America-only movement, this is a community that cares about crimes against us all.

Kipshasz said:
You also need to take into account that we've never had a de-sovietisation taking place. not back then, not now, and possibly not ever. unless a drastic regime changes (elephant's dreams here really)

I am ignorant of what you mean there. I have heard that much of Eastern-Europe, rejects the EU-state because they already had to endure the dictates of the central-governments of Germany's National Socialists and then the Soviet Communists; how or does that fit inside Ukraine?

I'm not saying Putin is a saint but I've followed him a few years now and I don't see the Russian people as anything resembling my enemy.
In fact, after years of Bush, Clinton, Bush and then Obama, in hindsight whenever they said enemy, something else was behind their collective actions.

Kipshasz said:
Yeah, some deep state officials of yours were involved, songbird McCain being the main one.

He had friends. Hopefully truth will soon surface about many past events. We all need Truth or we can never get to facts.

Kipshasz said:
I foresee that in the coming years I could use some of those Best Amendment rights you have across the pond.

I know there are discussions about free-speech on public platforms. I believe this needs to be dealt with and will be here in the States. However, what happens inside other nations...I cannot guess.

It is my hope that if we tame the Beast here, that will remove a serious obstacle from the paths of other governments. <imo> It was not easy for someone like me to understand the power that has been wielded around the globe. I have a much better understanding today, than I did 2 years ago.

If anyone has any questions, let me repeat; share your current impressions, your questions, doubts and if I can I will share what I know and admit what I do not.

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posted August 29, 2018 08:26 PM

Salamandre said:
The people operating within the deep state or whatever is called are not going to yell on the roofs what they do and why, so asking for names is pointless. Personally I don't think there is some articulated conspiracy out there, but more of an ideology shared among power holding people, like the guys owning the press, the social platforms and the research engines. All is about information today, if you control how the information spreads, what is told and what should not be told, then you get a serious advantage. Seeing how dishonest the left-leaned press became, it is safe to name news anchors and journalists etc as the deep state. This is not to say right-leaning press isn't using the same procedures, they do, but when you have 90% of the press left-leaning in USA, then 100% in Europe, this becomes a serious imbalance about how every largely shared opinion is effectively heard and discussed.  


so if we are saying John McCain (for instance) and basically all of the news media are in the deep state, what is the deep state's agenda or goal lol
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posted August 29, 2018 08:36 PM

Salamandre said:
The people operating within the deep state or whatever is called are not going to yell on the roofs what they do and why, so asking for names is pointless. Personally I don't think there is some articulated conspiracy out there, but more of an ideology shared among power holding people, like the guys owning the press, the social platforms and the research engines. All is about information today, if you control how the information spreads, what is told and what should not be told, then you get a serious advantage. Seeing how dishonest the left-leaned press became, it is safe to name news anchors and journalists etc as the deep state. This is not to say right-leaning press isn't using the same procedures, they do, but when you have 90% of the press left-leaning in USA, then 100% in Europe, this becomes a serious imbalance about how every largely shared opinion is effectively heard and discussed.  



For grins folks, I'll throw into to the left-right discussion, something I bumped into a while back. This is an exercise folks, I am merely wondering out-loud.

I've heard brain-specialists explain the left/right hemispheres of the human-brain. Generally, (this will be extremely simplistic coming from yours truly) the Right-side is pragmatic/grounded and the Left-side more creative/imaginative. Let's say; A Mayor versus an Explorer.

Now, in political-circles I have heard that the Liberal+Conservative dynamic needs to be understood and healthy for a society to know what to conserve and what and how to advance.

Well, even that very simple analogy should make some folks think with both sides of their brain.
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posted August 29, 2018 08:40 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 20:53, 29 Aug 2018.

I didn't say he was, I have no clue about McCain, that should belong to Kip to explain. What I say is that when you eliminate the diversity of opinions by hiring people who all think same - like all bosses of news do, you create the deep state conspiracy rumors. I don't even think they have some goal, they surely think this is for the best. The downside is that they are not even willing to debate, they think they hold some inviolable truth and by doing that unilaterally, they disconnect themselves from millions of people who see their opinions being sneared or ignored. Then elections come and they get rightfully spanked.

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posted August 29, 2018 09:10 PM

Salamandre said:
I didn't say he was, I have no clue about McCain, that should belong to Kip to explain. What I say is that when you eliminate the diversity of opinions by hiring people who all think same - like all bosses of news do, you create the deep state conspiracy rumors. I don't even think they have some goal, they surely think this is for the best. The downside is that they are not even willing to debate, they think they hold some inviolable truth and by doing that unilaterally, they disconnect themselves from millions of people who see their opinions being sneared or ignored. Then elections come and they get rightfully spanked.


so considering a disagreement about McCain I would say the deep state is very nebulous, it is not really a particular person or persons with a specific goal, it is more or less the elite basically, I think I understand lol

I think Markkur is saying in so many words, the elite in the United States are feeding him a certain narrative which he does not agree with, which is fair enough, lol

my next question is, how do you go about deciding who is the elite/deep state or not, who do you think is not in the deep state basically and why lol
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posted August 29, 2018 09:22 PM

whats so hard, there are four subjects polarizing political groups: immigration, free speech, welfare and cultural identity. The deep state creates as virtual entity when one opinion about those things is majorly exposed in the medias following their bias. Create a balance, the deep state is gone.

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