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Salamandre
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posted August 30, 2018 12:58 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 13:03, 30 Aug 2018.

"All told, nearly 160 times the president has made claims suggesting the Russia probe is made up, a hoax or a fraud."

I would expect that before one accuses Trump for collusion denial, to first prove there were any collusion, eh?

"Eighty-eight times, he has made the false assertion that he passed the biggest tax cut in U.S. history."

Verdict: "It is not the biggest tax cut in US history, measured as either a percentage of US GDP or in absolute terms. It is however, the biggest corporate tax cut in US history."

yeah, what a shock and big lie, America will collapse because of it. Witch hunt, Trump is hyperbolic politician and will inflate a lot of statements, also he repeats himself a lot. I know many others whose lies destroy nations and lives.

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JollyJoker
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posted August 30, 2018 01:05 PM

You don't think there is a difference between "biggest tax cut" and "biggest corporate tax cut"?

No further questions, your honor.

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Salamandre
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posted August 30, 2018 01:34 PM

I didn't say that. You are throwing random peanuts while I am looking at bigger issue - those we struggle with over here, so you guys explain me how Trump "lies" and "fake news" have a negative aspect on trade, security, economic growth (4.2 vs 0.7 in France), jobs, equality, education, unemployment (3.9 vs 8.9 in France) etc. I leave on earth, not in some bubble where I have the luxury of petty bickering the only one who actually does much better than anyone around, just because I don't muh like how he muh talks.

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AlHazin
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posted August 30, 2018 01:35 PM
Edited by AlHazin at 13:36, 30 Aug 2018.

JollyJoker said:
No further questions, your honor.


*tap*

Do you have any more questions, Prosecutor Verriker?
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JollyJoker
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posted August 30, 2018 01:56 PM
Edited by JollyJoker at 13:59, 30 Aug 2018.

No idea what you talking about.

According to Global Finance, Econimc Growth was 1.4% in 2017 in the US, significantly less than the 2.3 in the last, actually EVERY Obama year.

Worse, though. Would you say, that China's stellar growth is reason enough to cease calling their politicans' false claims, lies, crimes, idiocies and whatever else they do?

No one is forcing the President of the United States to waste his time twittering away. If he wouldn't utter so much nonsense he couldn't be called on it.

Defending this, makes no sense.

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Salamandre
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posted August 30, 2018 02:15 PM

You give the lowest ever growth (2017) while available data is up to second quarter of 2018, which I used for both examples. He is doing great, thats all.

JollyJoker said:
Worse, though. Would you say, that China's stellar growth is reason enough to cease calling their politicans' false claims, lies, crimes, idiocies and whatever else they do?


I don't know what you're talking about, every year I have 5-6 chinese in my class and they are extremely happy and positive about China. We have a lot to learn from China, scorning them like some of the press does is a moronic attitude.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 30, 2018 02:16 PM

Exactly, the lowest ever growth in the full first year of Trump's reign, with Q1 2018 being low as well. Q2 saw an increase - so what? You are picking raisins here - and you are avoiding the follow-up question.

China is doing extremely fine since lots of years - so is everything in order with their policy as well, doesn't it matter what they say?

Don't give me this kind of crap, it's unconnected.

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Salamandre
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posted August 30, 2018 02:21 PM

You must not be real. The point wasn't showing USA growth, but comparing France growth with USA at a GIVEN moment, why you continue this nonsense.

And about China, just because they have other values, that doesn't mean they must stump them because you decided your way is better. It isn't, in their view. If it was, there would be waves of Chinese migrants, there are none, basic facts.
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JollyJoker
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posted August 30, 2018 02:28 PM

The The graphshows German economic development in the 1930s.

This oneshows among others the weak development of France in that period.

Does that prove ANYTHING AT ALL?

You are making such a silly point here with a view on Trump, fake news, FALSE CLAIMS (is what this is about), and you think a 4.2 QUARTERLY GNP increase in the US is absolving Trump and the answer to everything?

Man, get real. This is ridiculous.

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Salamandre
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posted August 30, 2018 02:48 PM

I am real, man. He is doing better then Merkel, better than Macron, better than Erdogan (by miles) yet you guys keep ridiculing yourselves by daily bickering about peanuts, instead of learning how things should be done. Thats all I have to say.

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verriker
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posted August 30, 2018 02:57 PM

Salamandre said:
Err,


I am sorry but you had a bit saying "yeah sorry" about the approval ratings thing in your post last night and you again deleted and changed it, how to discuss if you will alter your posts behind the back cheers lol
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JollyJoker
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posted August 30, 2018 02:57 PM

He? He's doing nothing except twittering nonsense and firing people.

But the unacceptable thing is, that you take a QUARTERLY GNP growth figure and attribute that to HIM and his hogwash, and all with an air as if that would make everything else MEANINGLESS, for heaven's sake. As if it wouldn't matter that he talks bullcrap, claims false things, acts ridiculously and makes a fool out of himself and the American government.

Was Hitler an insane psycho? Who cares - look at the German growth rates! Is there free speech in China? Who cares - look at China's growth rates. They are doing better then everyone including the US.

I won't waste any more time with this nonsense.

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verriker
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posted August 30, 2018 03:05 PM

anyway let's go back to what we were saying, I am still curious to understand better who is the deep state because those publications of the links did not have a very unified opinion on Trump,
basically is the deep state including anyone who covers Trump or are they people who cover him incorrectly, what's the story, I want to have a better picture lol

also, is this a Trump thread under the surface or something, because markkur did not say too much about Trump before I was asking this stuff lol
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JoonasTo
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posted August 30, 2018 06:45 PM
Edited by JoonasTo at 18:46, 30 Aug 2018.




Here is a good map to help gauge where people coming from different countries stand on in general. It's very helpful if you're trying to figure out why a certain country is the way it is right now. Generally countries where people are doing well tend to gravitate towards the top right. Countries with economic issues tend to gravitate to the left. Countries with cultural issues tend to gravitate to the bottom.

You can place yourself on that scale, then look for the country you're thinking of, see the distance and that will give you a rough starting point for how the society thinks and operates.

Or you could place yourself there and be like, oh, maybe I should move to Norway
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markkur
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posted August 30, 2018 07:03 PM

Can you could shrink that Bro?

@ All

I want to shift gears now and set some guidelines.

Please remember, that the resulting out of focus discussion in on ME.

And also remember, when any of us post a new topic here, there is no guarantee we will have any interest...nor what that interest will look like? Well, this is a lot of work for a dude in my shape and I was not about to make a time-intensive flow-chart for a difficult discussion if there proved very little interest.

Please give me a day or two to respond, before any more Posting and I will address some previous Qs here (one way or another) and I will draw in the fences behind a little bit more info.

Friends, just remember there is a full blown propaganda contest in front and behind the scenes and <imvho> it is very hard for any of us to see anything resembling a complete picture. So, let's not beat up  each other and at this time, make the extra effort to be pleasant in debate.

Cheers  
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markkur
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posted August 30, 2018 09:44 PM
Edited by markkur at 21:47, 30 Aug 2018.

@Minion
Quote:
Anyways this topic can get sidetracked easily because everyone has their own opinion on "deep state". Maybe start by defining what that is, and then continue. My 2 cents

<S> I'd say a couple of nuggets o' gold. Just remember, I initially did not want to steer this discussion, so I could see where minds are at this moment.

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As I've said also but I will say again in a different fashion; I do not want anyone here to assume I am fixed on issues that affect us all or in the worst case, desire to mislead other folks opinions for a personal agenda.

Honestly, if I were healthy, I would have more options on how to proceed regarding this snakes-nest. But it is a fact that I am not healthy and necessaryly limited behind what I view is a long list of problems that are both old and new.

I don't know if how I am about to proceed will be helpful or not but will give this idea a shot and if it proves bullocks, then I'll need to re-think and try something else or toss in the towel and send my best wishes.

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"My experience" regarding the current status of our nation. I know you are busy with life, so I will (hopefully) keep it simple.

* In the summer of 2016, I cared nothing for the daily news nor Political debate. I saw both major parties as what is now being called the uni-party and multi-national companies as the enemy of what I cared about; I still do.

* I became only slightly attentive to the coming Presidential Election when by chance, I heard Mr. Sanders rant against the Multi-nationals.(that was all he did in that one speech) At that time I had looked no further at any candidates or Parties in any way, shape or form.

* After posting here, I decided to actually take a look at Sanders and his history is not what I expected it to be. From what I read, he was way too far-left and promised his followers a lot of free-stuff.

* Meanwhile, I knew nothing on the "supposed" Republican primaries nor Mr. Trump.

* The one candidate that I did know alot about was HRC and could never vote for her to be president of anything.

* I'm still in limbo-land when the DNC-fiasco happened and Sanders was robbed of his chance against her and in my ignorrance, wondered what the hell had just happened? I was watching that night when a beet-red-faced Bernie, almost immediately threw his Support behind HRC? Talk about "collusion"; it was right there in the DNC and Sanders bowed-down?

* Next, I'm thinking what in the hell just happened? How is that acceptable and generally the only voices that are upset are some Bernie-supporters that are as outraged as I was. The MSM did NOT pursue this story, in any meaningful way to this voter.

* So about now, iirc, I was angry and took a quick look at Trump; I was not thrilled about a Media-figure being the front-runner, and disliked what little I knew about the guy.

* After deciding Hillary had to be defeated, I made my post here at HC = I'd vote for the Pillsbury-dough-boy over HRC.

* Now that I was going to vote for someone I did not select in my personal protest-vote, I began to follow his campaign and noticed he had no support from any traditional stronghold.
Very few in his own party supported him and MANY Republicans ranted "never-Trump?" The Multi-national-Corps were not behind him, the Corp-Media, Hollywood, the Political Pundits and many leaders from around the world? But these same groups were all behind Clinton after what the DNC did to Sanders? The sky was full of <ahem> "Starz" that promised to leave the country if this man was elected?

* Then this "undesirable" was elected.

* After he won, folks started raging; "NOT my President!" What the ? was going on here?

* Once he was in office, then various very rich & powerful, high-profile politicians started yelling their Impeachment-sound-bites, behind all MSM platforms...to this very day?

Remember, I had not been engaged in any of this stuff for a very long time; so much so, that when Obama was elected to his 1st term, I held no strong feelings one way or another. I did not see his skin but wondered if he would do what he said he would do? I'd heard enough of his speeches to soon realize, once that he was elected, he became someone else and like just others before him, even though I was not truly engaged...I wondered, once more...Why?

Friends this is why I began asking...WHY?

Here is a single link where I have checked in now and then, which <imvho> gave me a communications platorm, that is not available on "accepted media-outlets."
https://qanon.app/
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AlHazin
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posted August 30, 2018 10:26 PM

The map is to be taken very lightly, it has a lot of errors in it.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted August 30, 2018 11:47 PM

Yes. But not because of your parameters.
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posted August 31, 2018 01:51 AM

@ markkur: that's the most obvious thing that confounds me; that people STILL actually CAN'T see how wide-spread the media control is. It's right in front of their faces EVERYWHERE, and they just listen to the media, without thinking. Thing is, i have no doubt trump is human garbage. At all. BUT would we still see this kind of uproar/backlash/level of investigating and division, if the media's planned leader had been elected?

Most CERTAINLY not.

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Galaad
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posted August 31, 2018 02:14 AM
Edited by Galaad at 02:18, 31 Aug 2018.

Salamandre said:
Our president Macron is at 39% approval rate.


I wonder where you got that number from, when his popularity has only been decreasing ever since he's in power and his initial approval rate (before he had to face far-right on second turn) was 23%.

Quote:
and press about him is dithyrambic,


No? (first random google search in latest).
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