Heroes of Might and Magic Community
visiting hero! Register | Today's Posts | Games | Search! | FAQ/Rules | AvatarList | MemberList | Profile


Age of Heroes Headlines:  
5 Oct 2016: Heroes VII development comes to an end.. - read more
6 Aug 2016: Troubled Heroes VII Expansion Release - read more
26 Apr 2016: Heroes VII XPack - Trial by Fire - Coming out in June! - read more
17 Apr 2016: Global Alternative Creatures MOD for H7 after 1.8 Patch! - read more
7 Mar 2016: Romero launches a Piano Sonata Album Kickstarter! - read more
19 Feb 2016: Heroes 5.5 RC6, Heroes VII patch 1.7 are out! - read more
13 Jan 2016: Horn of the Abyss 1.4 Available for Download! - read more
17 Dec 2015: Heroes 5.5 update, 1.6 out for H7 - read more
23 Nov 2015: H7 1.4 & 1.5 patches Released - read more
31 Oct 2015: First H7 patches are out, End of DoC development - read more
5 Oct 2016: Heroes VII development comes to an end.. - read more
[X] Remove Ads
LOGIN:     Username:     Password:         [ Register ]
New Server | HOMM1: info forum | HOMM2: info forum | HOMM3: info forum | HOMM4: info forum | HOMM5: info forum | MMH6: wiki forum | MMH7: wiki forum
Heroes Community > Volcanic Wastelands > Thread: Share an unpopular opinion
Thread: Share an unpopular opinion This thread is 15 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 · «PREV / NEXT»
Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted September 15, 2018 04:15 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 16:17, 15 Sep 2018.

We love you, Ghost,



whatever you say.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted September 15, 2018 05:01 PM

I try to say something unbearable and I get defended by two of our most proficuous members? I guess I'm too mainstream.
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Ghost
Ghost


Supreme Hero
Therefore I am
posted September 15, 2018 05:10 PM

Salamandre said:
We love you, Ghost,



whatever you say.


Two-edged sword, when some learns how to say to a woman.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Neraus
Neraus


Promising
Legendary Hero
Pizza Nazi
posted September 15, 2018 05:17 PM
Edited by Neraus at 17:18, 15 Sep 2018.

fred79 said:
Neraus said:
@fred

Because it takes advantage of individuals that are still mentally undeveloped, who can't yet take an informed decision regarding what used to be considered quite an important step and a possible obstacle to a good marriage.


How is that an argument against it? Have you met most adults? Have you taken a real close look at the world of adults in general? You could quite easily draw parallels between the mentality and behavior of adults and younger human beings. Especially these days.


You know, things today are different than yesterday, the norms of yesterday were done for a reason, if today's conditions are different it doesn't disqualify what they did at their time for themselves, sheesh, I'm just giving my view on why it happened.

Besides, how is your argument against mine? Yeah, we live in a society of lobotomized folk, does that justify them doing inane things because they're undeveloped mentally?
Before someone decided to throw civilization down the drain there was much sharper divide between adult and young (and child), when you started being considered an adult you would have endured: prohibition from your parents, who could have even punished your misbehaving with a bloody belt; strict rules from school, with the infamous rod striking the hand; separation of roles, males here, females there and no trespassing and as a male even mandatory military service.
Having had all these experiences, you definitely changed and became considered an adult.

Why do you think I added the clause "the left will make it legal"? Society changed, the boundaries between adult and youngster are becoming more fluid (it's just the age after all now), so what damage does it really do? Apart from not easing the process of a young maiden to a married life? But even then, that seems to not be a priority anymore.
If this is what you wanted to hear, yes, the fixed age boundary is anachronistic in the society of today, priorities are different, now everything is fluid.

And that makes me angry.
What makes me even more angrier is people advocating for full on pedophiles, degenerates deserve no sympathy, nor mercy if they don't give up and mend their ways.

Wow, I got into an OSM moment. Dammit, old habits never die.
____________
PLVTOCRATIC AND REACTIONARY DEMOCRACIES OF THE WEST
POTERE, LO SFORZO, LA PASTA

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
fred79
fred79


Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
SCOURGE OF THE H-SEA
posted September 15, 2018 08:25 PM

bloodsucker said:
I try to say something unbearable and I get defended by two of our most proficuous members? I guess I'm too mainstream.


What's so unbearable about it? Youth sexuality is part of reality, plain and simple. No amount of squeamishness regarding the subject is ever going to change nature. Never has, never will.

@ neraus: i don't understand why you're perturbed. My rebuttal wasn't meant to ridicule; but only make my point.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Neraus
Neraus


Promising
Legendary Hero
Pizza Nazi
posted September 15, 2018 08:40 PM
Edited by Neraus at 20:40, 15 Sep 2018.

I woke up immediately before reading that, after studying the nervous system.
I was in a strange and talkative mood. lol
____________
PLVTOCRATIC AND REACTIONARY DEMOCRACIES OF THE WEST
POTERE, LO SFORZO, LA PASTA

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
artu
artu


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted September 15, 2018 09:04 PM

Neraus said:
Dammit, old habits never die.

Inertia.
____________
I admit it, I like it when they are bombastic - Neraus

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
AnkVaati
AnkVaati


Famous Hero
Nighonese National Front
posted September 18, 2018 06:37 PM

Those who skip school have my moral support.
____________

Ank's Old School (kinda) H8 proposal <- best thing evvah, trust me

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Neraus
Neraus


Promising
Legendary Hero
Pizza Nazi
posted September 18, 2018 10:44 PM

Teachers have their reasons for acting the way they do, they're decent people deep down.
Students should chill out and respect the way their teachers do their job, acting out to "rebel" against the system is not only futile, but also destructive for the future, it won't just affect a student's education, but it will give them a false sense of security that will be shattered once in the world of work.
Hence why students' protests are a bad idea.
____________
PLVTOCRATIC AND REACTIONARY DEMOCRACIES OF THE WEST
POTERE, LO SFORZO, LA PASTA

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
NoobX
NoobX


Promising
Legendary Hero
posted September 19, 2018 10:55 AM

Bitter students make for the worst teachers.  I don't know if that's an unpopular opinion, but whatever.
____________

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
artu
artu


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted September 19, 2018 11:26 AM
Edited by artu at 11:28, 19 Sep 2018.

Neraus said:
Teachers have their reasons for acting the way they do, they're decent people deep down.
Students should chill out and respect the way their teachers do their job, acting out to "rebel" against the system is not only futile, but also destructive for the future, it won't just affect a student's education, but it will give them a false sense of security that will be shattered once in the world of work.
Hence why students' protests are a bad idea.

Some teachers are decent and some are not, some are good at their job and some are clueless. One of my early memories as a little kid is that our classroom notebook (you know, the official ledger where teachers sign and write down attendance lists etc.) was stolen, they were looking for it, my house was on the same street with the school, I used to walk home and I saw the notebook had been thrown in a yard, I took it back to help and next year, when something else was stolen, they accused me of theft because our teacher, being the Sherlock Holmes she is, decided it was me who stole the notebook. So, in fourth or fifth grade, I had my first “life lesson” about trying to do the right thing.

Also, it is easy to claim teachers have their reasons for acting the way they do when you live in a EU country with high standards (I am aware Italy is not a Finland about this but still...) My elementary school years were right after the military coup of 1980, unlike you, I witnessed a facist state first hand in its most brutal ways and I know how it affects the mind set of public teachers, how they turn into volunteers of state oppression, how a lot of them transform into dictators of their own little classes. It all depends on the system, the zeitgeist.
____________
I admit it, I like it when they are bombastic - Neraus

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Neraus
Neraus


Promising
Legendary Hero
Pizza Nazi
posted September 19, 2018 02:40 PM
Edited by Neraus at 14:40, 19 Sep 2018.

Ahem, tell this "high standard" fairy tale to the schools of Calabria and Campania, or the lower end schools of the entire countries. They'll probably laugh it off, then mug you, or leave you for dead, probably they'll steal your car.

The worst part, is that it's not that far off from reality, there is a distinct lack of education in the youths frequenting those schools, and that's not just them, but also their parents, it's getting more common to hear in the news that both students and parents are assaulting teachers.

Apart from that, elementary to middle school teachers are an universe of their own, they're doing one of the most stressful things, keeping up with hordes of children, and especially today, children don't get educated enough by their parents, so it's all offloaded to the teacher.
And that's how democracy falls, with thunderous chatter of little kids.
It's funny, I was the guy telling others to take things down a notch and try to understand what the teachers did, and here I am doing the same here. WHAT!?

Oh, and stop appropriating fascism, it's an Italian thing, it's not your average kind of authoritarian government, and it's especially not a military government, can't blame Benny if your wannabe-Ottomans act like Middle Easterners once they get into power.
Actually, this reminds me, why is everybody on the right or just a bit authoritarian now a fascist, when they clearly are much different from the original thing?
____________
PLVTOCRATIC AND REACTIONARY DEMOCRACIES OF THE WEST
POTERE, LO SFORZO, LA PASTA

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
Ghost
Ghost


Supreme Hero
Therefore I am
posted September 19, 2018 02:53 PM

An idiot teacher thought an idiot student returns notebook. I know the world of thought is a very dwarf. Aha teacher was able to study, and become a teacher. It's very common, no brainy, but able to study. Why? Isn't teacher is over 120 IQ? No. My ex-teacher named Pekka Jokinen is also an idiot! No worry! He's dead in tomb.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
artu
artu


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted September 19, 2018 03:35 PM

@Neraus

The origin of the term is Italian, of course and in the technical sense, a historian can still use it in a much more framed sense. But the word refers to much more than the Mussolini regime now, which btw was extremely authoritarian and extremely nationalist also. So the original product isnt something to admire either. And extreme nationalism traveled from Europe to Middle East, not the other way around.
____________
I admit it, I like it when they are bombastic - Neraus

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Neraus
Neraus


Promising
Legendary Hero
Pizza Nazi
posted September 19, 2018 04:21 PM

No, nationalism is Asian, the Japanese were ultra nationalists even during the XVII century.
Look, dunno where did you get that from, but I'm not attributing the paternity of nationalism to anybody.

Anyway, Fascism got conflated with too many things, today's just a neat little word to hit people with a stick that don't conform to the established political thought. And that makes me angry.
The worst part is that there were parts of fascism that made sense and others that could be applied and could work, but you know, a guy started having soldiers goosestep over communists, so all of it is bad.

Honestly, when that little petulant Luxembourg minister called Salvini a fascist I wanted to gather up some legionnaires and go full d'Annunzio on that little fiscal paradise. I probably don't have the charisma tho.
This is the attitude that I don't like, we're just trying to have better border controls, we're trying to renegotiate our position in the EU, we're not fascist because of this.
The moment the blackshirts form I won't get angry if people say it tho, since you know, in that case, it's true.
____________
PLVTOCRATIC AND REACTIONARY DEMOCRACIES OF THE WEST
POTERE, LO SFORZO, LA PASTA

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted September 19, 2018 04:46 PM

Neraus said:
This is the attitude that I don't like, we're just trying to have better border controls, we're trying to renegotiate our position in the EU, we're not fascist because of this.


That much is true, doesn't mean fascism is a good thing though.
____________
He JVC taught us how to use skeletons. -Ghost

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Neraus
Neraus


Promising
Legendary Hero
Pizza Nazi
posted September 19, 2018 05:06 PM

And we're not, so that's a moot point.

I just wish people wouldn't misuse the term.
____________
PLVTOCRATIC AND REACTIONARY DEMOCRACIES OF THE WEST
POTERE, LO SFORZO, LA PASTA

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
artu
artu


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted September 19, 2018 05:23 PM

Oh, trust me, I’m not misusing the term when I call the 1980 coup fascist:

650,000 people were under arrest.
1,683,000 people were blacklisted.
230,000 people were tried in 210,000 lawsuits.
7,000 people were recommended for the death penalty.
517 people were sentenced to death.
50 of those given the death penalty were executed (26 political prisoners, 23 criminal offenders and 1 ASALA militant).
The files of 259 people, which had been recommended for the death penalty, were sent to the National Assembly.
71,000 people were tried by articles 141, 142 and 163 of Turkish Penal Code.
98,404 people were tried on charges of being members of a leftist, a rightist, a nationalist, a conservative, etc. organization.
388,000 people were denied a passport.
30,000 people were dismissed from their firms because they were suspects.
14,000 people had their citizenship revoked.
30,000 people went abroad as political refugees.
300 people died in a suspicious manner.
171 people died by reason of torture.
937 films were banned because they were found objectionable.
23,677 associations had their activities stopped.
3,854 teachers, 120 lecturers and 47 judges were dismissed.
400 journalists were recommended a total of 4,000 years imprisonment.
Journalists were sentenced 3,315 years and 6 months imprisonment.
31 journalists went to jail.
300 journalists were attacked.
3 journalists were shot dead.
300 days in which newspapers were not published.
303 cases were opened for 13 major newspapers.
39 tonnes of newspapers and magazines were destroyed.
299 people lost their lives in prison.
144 people died in a suspicious manner in prison.
14 people died in hunger strikes in prison.
16 people were shot while fleeing.
95 people were killed in combat.
"Natural death report" for 73 persons was given.
The cause of death of 43 people was announced as "suicide".
____________
I admit it, I like it when they are bombastic - Neraus

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Ghost
Ghost


Supreme Hero
Therefore I am
posted September 19, 2018 05:58 PM

Normal man knows fascist is much worse than communist.

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | Quote Reply | Link
Neraus
Neraus


Promising
Legendary Hero
Pizza Nazi
posted September 19, 2018 05:59 PM

Look man, I don't know why we're doing this anyway, but this is exactly what I'm talking about when I say it's a misuse.
This is a military junta taking part in an authoritarian and repressive government, death tolls or instances of repression don't belong to an ideology, otherwise, should we say that a genocidal government that exceeds 10 million deaths is communist or Stalinist?

Unless you tell me that they themselves defined their government as fascist, or they started using national funds to invest in businesses and take control of production, or made huge strides in revanchist propaganda.

But anyway, I can already feel how it'll continue, I just want to separate my country's legacy (for how ugly it may be) from things unrelated to it.
____________
PLVTOCRATIC AND REACTIONARY DEMOCRACIES OF THE WEST
POTERE, LO SFORZO, LA PASTA

 Send Instant Message | Send E-Mail | View Profile | PP | Quote Reply | Link
Jump To: « Prev Thread . . . Next Thread » This thread is 15 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 · «PREV / NEXT»
Post New Poll    Post New Topic    Post New Reply

Page compiled in 0.0862 seconds