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artu
artu


Promising
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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted September 19, 2018 06:27 PM
Edited by artu at 18:30, 19 Sep 2018.

Yes, the military did have control over the economy for a while and no, of course they didnt call themselves fascists because the word had a terrible stigma in the post WW2 era. Any regime or political movement with the brain size of a peanut wouldnt call themselves openly fascist, even if they are, yet, if we look at various encyclopedia and dictionary definitions, they fit like a glove:



-Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian ultranationalism,[1][2][3][4] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy,[5] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[6] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I before it spread to other European countries.[6] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.

- (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
(initial capital letter) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922

- Fascism, political ideology and mass movement that dominated many parts of central, southern, and eastern Europe between 1919 and 1945 and that also had adherents in western Europe, the United States, South Africa, Japan, Latin America, and the Middle East.  Benito Mussolini, took the name of his party from the Latin word fasces, which referred to a bundle of elm or birch rods (usually containing an ax) used as a symbol of penal authority in ancient Rome. Although fascist parties and movements differed significantly from one another, they had many characteristics in common, including extreme militaristic nationalism, contempt for electoral democracy and political and cultural liberalism, a belief in natural social hierarchy and the rule of elites, and the desire to create a Volksgemeinschaft (German: “people’s community”), in which individual interests would be subordinated to the good of the nation.

- a political system based on a very powerful leader, state control, and being extremely proud of country and race, and in which political opposition is not allowed.
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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


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posted September 19, 2018 06:28 PM

Opinion: I hate debates because they never lead to anything good. I'm fine with people having a different opinion than mine, I just don't think discussing them is a good idea. HC has proven that time and time again, lol.
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Ghost
Ghost


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Therefore I am
posted September 19, 2018 06:42 PM

@Neraus

You said about history. A black history! USSR is USSR. Do you have more modern communist? North Korea should take a example about Vietnam. US and Vietnam are good between.

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Neraus
Neraus


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posted September 19, 2018 06:58 PM
Edited by Neraus at 18:58, 19 Sep 2018.

@artu

Yeah right, I'm talking about how things get redefined and you bring up a dictionary.
We're getting to lengths that would be sanctioned. Let's stop before we really get to the point that it seems I'm making apologetics or revisionism (because that's what basically happens when you start refuting some of the out of place characteristics sadly).


Btw, I'm a leftist.
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artu
artu


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My BS sensor is tingling again
posted September 19, 2018 07:21 PM
Edited by artu at 19:23, 19 Sep 2018.

It did get redefined to some degree, more like the term expanded. But I already agreed that unless you are being technically historical, the term has a broader meaning now, so I dont understand your objection. I mean, it’s like, I can call Cuba communist and then some hardcore Marxist can come and object by saying communism is the phase where the state is no longer needed and abandoned according to the theory, and from a strictly technical point of view, he can be considered right. But we would still call Cuba a communist state because that specific terminology doesnt frame everything. Words evolve by association a lot of the time and in this case, I dont think the word fascist evolved into something completely irrelevant from its origin. I’m not talking about the inflation you complain about and suggest using it cheaply here and there for any conservative or anybody suggesting cautious policies about border control etc. But I have no problem calling a military dictator who staged a coup, who forced political prisoners to sing the national anthem fifty times a day, who opressed free press, imprisoned politicians and made it illegal for them to reenter the elections, who established a national security council that remained crucial to all political decisions for years to come, I can go on for another page about this but you get the point... fascist.

Oh, and I didnt bring a dictionary, I brought two dictionaries and two encyclopedias.
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Neraus
Neraus


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posted September 19, 2018 07:39 PM

artu said:
Oh, and I didnt bring a dictionary, I brought two dictionaries and two encyclopedias.


I've been outgunned.

I only have two (biased) books.
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fred79
fred79


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posted September 20, 2018 01:35 AM

Mayonnaise is snowing disgusting.

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monere
monere


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posted September 20, 2018 02:33 AM

yeah...

fred79 said:
Mayonnaise is snowing disgusting.

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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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Elvin's Darkside
posted September 20, 2018 08:40 AM

Neraus said:


Btw, I'm a leftist.



bullcrap.jpg
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Neraus
Neraus


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posted September 20, 2018 10:02 AM

Oh but I am:

Quote:
Left, In politics, the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life.



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Zenofex
Zenofex


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Kreegan-atheist
posted September 20, 2018 10:53 AM

That "popular or state control" turns the whole thing into an oxymoron, depending on the context.

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Dies_Irae
Dies_Irae


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Careful, I'm contagious!
posted September 21, 2018 12:43 PM

Non-smokers die too.
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monere
monere


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posted September 21, 2018 12:49 PM

not me

Dies_Irae said:
Non-smokers die too.

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Herry
Herry


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100% Devil
posted September 22, 2018 06:15 PM


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Neraus
Neraus


Promising
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Pizza Nazi
posted September 22, 2018 08:39 PM

Necromancy is a useless skill.
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Celfious
Celfious


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The highest shadow.
posted September 24, 2018 02:54 AM

Drugs R Bad...

The Colorado beer and pot test failed miserably. When I awaken, I will be in one of those meetings.

Thank u come again.

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Kipshasz
Kipshasz


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Elvin's Darkside
posted September 24, 2018 02:25 PM

blob2 said:
Kipshasz said:
Ukraine shouldn't exist as a state anymore, it's teritory should be divided amongst the neighboring nations, along with a heavy, genocide level de-sovietisation.


Oh, and while we're at it, Poland can take back Lithuania  also


never were one state. the Commonwealth was a federal state in essence. we had only the king and the sejm were mutual. laws, coinage and armies were separate. educate yourself fishmuncher.
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posted September 26, 2018 07:42 PM

procreating is not only destructive to everyone and everything besides oneself, but also self-destructive.



invader zim needs to return to nickelodeon, and with new episodes, too.

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fred79
fred79


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posted September 27, 2018 02:21 PM

Jesus took it way too easy on the snows. He should have been dropping those snows like flies.

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Herry
Herry


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posted September 29, 2018 07:05 PM

Relatives who visit you unannounced often and then get angry with you when you finally tell them to go home are the bane of my existence. I'm not even sure why I feel guilty.
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