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monere
monere


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posted September 07, 2018 11:31 AM
Edited by monere at 11:44, 07 Sep 2018.

Galaad said:
Well if he does... Gotta admit Satan wins.


Nah! God has better stats

neraus said:
Slavery is a perfectly acceptable business model


No surprise here. We're all the slaves of CEOs

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monere
monere


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posted September 07, 2018 11:35 AM
Edited by monere at 11:36, 07 Sep 2018.

Otuken said:
The earth might be flat.


it is flat. The only reason it appears round is because of the camera lenses used to photograph it. All camera lens are spherical and their shape distorts the image of the objects that passes through them, as well. Science!

AlHazin said:
Men are superior to women.


That's no opinion, it's a fact

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monere
monere


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posted September 07, 2018 11:40 AM

blob2 said:
Political correctness is a "tool" made by New World Order (courtesy of Reptilians) to destabilize society.

Reptilians are Gods!

@fred79
Seeing a skink in your backyard doesn't mean you've seen God!



I swear I never understood what political correctness is. And please, don't refer me to wikipedia cause that didn't help either. Can you explain in dumb-proof words (with example if possible) what the hell this political correctness thing is. I'm seeing it used all over the place and I have no idea how to interpret it

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blob2
blob2


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posted September 07, 2018 12:27 PM
Edited by blob2 at 12:45, 07 Sep 2018.

monere said:
I swear I never understood what political correctness is. And please, don't refer me to wikipedia cause that didn't help either. Can you explain in dumb-proof words (with example if possible) what the hell this political correctness thing is. I'm seeing it used all over the place and I have no idea how to interpret it


A group of opinion-forming people decides what is considered offensive to a group of people: usually related to their characteristic like race, religion etc. Political correctness is when you purposely diverge from stating some things in order to not offend the said group of people. The idea behind is pure (respect), but in reality is overused. How? You think otherwise, you're shunned (or worse) by the group of opinion-forming people and their followers.

In my opinion you are free to think what you like as long as you don't "harm" the other group. Otherwise it's not much different then in a totalitarian regime: you are told what you must think.

Example: Opinion-forming people, usually media, tell you news of a rape. There is a recent rise of rape cases in a city in which a number of people with nationality X are usual culprits. Those are facts. Media won't tell you what nationality the culprit is, as it would assume something is wrong (their culture?) with the said group of people from nation X. Facts (Police statistics). Yet the media won't tell you this as it would generate false accusations. But are those accusations really false? Will group X suddenly stop their way of life, because one side decided to not offend them with pointing the facts?

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monere
monere


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posted September 07, 2018 12:56 PM

blob2 said:
A group of opinion-forming people decides what is considered offensive to a group of people: usually related to their characteristic like race, religion etc. Political correctness is when you purposely diverge from stating some things in order to not offend the said group of people. The idea behind is pure (respect), but in reality is overused. How? You think otherwise, you're shunned (or worse) by the group of opinion-forming people and their followers.

In my opinion you are free to think what you like as long as you don't "harm" the other group. Otherwise it's not much different then in a totalitarian regime: you are told what you must think.

Example: Opinion-forming people, usually media, tell you news of a rape. There is a recent rise of rape cases in a city in which a number of people with nationality X are usual culprits. Those are facts. Media won't tell you what nationality the culprit is, as it would assume something is wrong (their culture?) with the said group of people from nation X. Facts. Yet the media won't tell you this as it would generate false accusations. But are those accusations really false? Will group X suddenly stop their way of life, because one side decided to not offend them with pointing the facts?


First of all, thanks for taking the time to enlighten me. I really appreciate your effort, even though I can't understand the second part in the example you gave

Secondly, you say that political correctness is when you purposely diverge from stating things in order not to offend other people. BUT... diverging here means telling a lie (in which case lying is NOT correctness by any definition), or does it mean changing the subject altogether in order to avoid hurting the said people, in which case it could be considered political correctness?

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Galaad
Galaad

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Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted September 07, 2018 12:57 PM

You can laugh about anything. Just not with anybody.
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verriker
verriker


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posted September 07, 2018 01:02 PM

blob2 said:
Example: Opinion-forming people, usually media, tell you news of a rape. There is a recent rise of rape cases in a city in which a number of people with nationality X are usual culprits. Those are facts. Media won't tell you what nationality the culprit is, as it would assume something is wrong (their culture?) with the said group of people from nation X. Facts (Police statistics). Yet the media won't tell you this as it would generate false accusations. But are those accusations really false? Will group X suddenly stop their way of life, because one side decided to not offend them with pointing the facts?


that depends, is group X Welsh lol
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blob2
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posted September 07, 2018 01:30 PM
Edited by blob2 at 13:40, 07 Sep 2018.

monere said:
Secondly, you say that political correctness is when you purposely diverge from stating things in order not to offend other people. BUT... diverging here means telling a lie (in which case lying is NOT correctness by any definition), or does it mean changing the subject altogether in order to avoid hurting the said people, in which case it could be considered political correctness?


I wish it would be the latter. But there are cases in which stating some facts seems like the logical conclusion, yet it's purposely "left out". Is it a lie, or simply "not telling everything"?

Real life example: I've read an article about a group of 10-year old boys raping his classmate on a school trip in Berlin. Their nationality was nowhere to be found. I mean, why would it be important in the first place right? A tragedy is a tragedy. Yet when I opened the source of the article (I initially read a summary on a different site), it was more then clear (headlines etc) that they were of immigrant origin. You might ask: so what? There are more then enough cases of rapes in schools everywhere. So why was information about their nationality left out if it doesn't make any difference (well I know why, it's a rhetorical question)?

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Herry
Herry


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posted September 07, 2018 01:45 PM

Why is the OSM leaking into my damn thread of all places?

Git off my lawn, kids.
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monere
monere


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posted September 07, 2018 01:47 PM
Edited by monere at 13:50, 07 Sep 2018.

blob2 said:
monere said:
Secondly, you say that political correctness is when you purposely diverge from stating things in order not to offend other people. BUT... diverging here means telling a lie (in which case lying is NOT correctness by any definition), or does it mean changing the subject altogether in order to avoid hurting the said people, in which case it could be considered political correctness?


I wish it would be the latter. But there are cases in which stating some facts seems like the logical conclusion, yet it's purposely "left out". Is it a lie, or simply "not telling everything"?

Real life example: I've read an article about a group of 10-year old boys raping his classmate on a school trip in Berlin. Their nationality was nowhere to be found. I mean, why would it be important in the first place right? A tragedy is a tragedy. Yet when I opened the source of the article (I initially read a summary on a different site), it was more then clear (headlines etc) that they were of immigrant origin. You might ask: so what? There are more then enough cases of rapes in schools everywhere. So why was information about their nationality left out if it doesn't make any difference (well I know why, it's a rhetorical question)?


I have to disagree with you here and say that nationality is not important. Sure, people coming from less developed countries are more prone to committing atrocities due to their involution caused by poverty, lack of education, etc. But let's not forget that the worst mass murderer in the recent history of Norway has been a Norwegian that's slaughtered in cold blood teenagers dressed as a policeman. Atrocities can be caused both by "civilized" people as well as less civilized ones. The same with those kids: they could have very well been patagoneze, americans, or romanians like me. It's not the nationality that matters, it's the circumstances and motives most of the time.

EDIT and the reason the media has left that bit of info out is a good one in my opinion: in order not to create dissensions between races / nationalities, because, in truth, it's NOT the nationalities that cause problems, it's the individuals. For the first time in like... 15-20 years or so I actually agree with the media

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blob2
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posted September 07, 2018 01:48 PM
Edited by blob2 at 14:08, 07 Sep 2018.

Herry said:
Why is the OSM leaking into my damn thread of all places?

Git off my lawn, kids.


Cus we're osm man!

monere said:
Atrocities can be caused both by "civilized" people as well as less civilized ones. The same with those kids: they could have very well been patagoneze, americans, or romanians like me. It's not the nationality that matters, it's the circumstances and motives most of the time.


Ofc, my point here is that information is left out, because a group of people decided that it would probably be offensive to some groups. And even if the "circumstances" made them what they are, at the end of the day most people don't give a f* what is the cause. They want to be safe. The difference here is that some things can be predicted: cultural differences of some groups and their reluctance to change for instance.

monere said:
EDIT and the reason the media has left that bit of info out is a good one in my opinion: in order not to create dissensions between races / nationalities, because, in truth, it's NOT the nationalities that cause problems, it's the individuals. For the first time in like... 15-20 years or so I actually agree with the media


Like I said, usually the reasoning for this is pure. Not to sow animosities. But people aren't stupid (well some at least), they're able to connect the dots. What people dislike in this is that they feel uncomfortable and unsafe around those groups/individuals, yet they can't talk about it cus they will be dubbed racist. There is a saying in my country that roughly translates to this: "when someone spits on you, you can't say it's raining".

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Salamandre
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posted September 07, 2018 02:05 PM

monere said:
it's NOT the nationalities that cause problems, it's the individuals.


Neither one or another, is the culture. African culture is much worse than every other culture and has a lot to caught up. Now, to answer also your former question, just wait for the PC representatives coming and bicker over my comment, so you get a first hand example.

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monere
monere


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posted September 07, 2018 02:20 PM

Salamandre said:
monere said:
it's NOT the nationalities that cause problems, it's the individuals.


Neither one or another, is the culture. African culture is much worse than every other culture and has a lot to caught up. Now, to answer also your former question, just wait for the PC representatives coming and bicker over my comment, so you get a first hand example.


Yes, and no. Indeed Africans (and blacks in general, and no, I'm not racist, I just observe trends) lean towards partying over creation, but even so, not all blacks / africans are like that. There's honest and serious people among those, too, just like are scumbags and time-wasters among us, whites, too. So, it's not only about cultures / races / nationalities as much as it's about individuals.

Also, I don't know which "former question" you're referring to, and I also don't know what "PC representatives" are, either

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blob2
blob2


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Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted September 07, 2018 02:32 PM
Edited by blob2 at 14:34, 07 Sep 2018.

monere said:
Yes, and no. Indeed Africans (and blacks in general, and no, I'm not racist, I just observe trends) lean towards partying over creation, but even so, not all blacks / africans are like that.


And what do you mean by "observing trends"? This here statement would be dubbed racist by many people. See, this is what political correctness tends to do. It teaches one and only "correct" view on some subjects. To heck with statistics, to heck with facts. We are the civilized people (or we think we are), so we must show the "good example", show hospitality, show understanding etc. The only problem is the so-called 'uncivilized' people don't give a rats ass about this...

And PC stand for Political Correctness.

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Salamandre
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posted September 07, 2018 02:34 PM

monere said:
but even so, not all blacks / africans are like that.


So what, do you understand what culture is and how it represents the collective values? Take for example homosexuality: 65 countries from Africa still criminalize it. Thats not to say every african will kill every gay he meets, but that a majority of africans are okay with such views and will certainly have a hard time accepting guys jiggling around.

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NoobX
NoobX


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posted September 07, 2018 02:54 PM

*BOOM*

Told you, Stevie.
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monere
monere


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posted September 07, 2018 03:04 PM
Edited by monere at 15:09, 07 Sep 2018.

blob2 said:
monere said:
Yes, and no. Indeed Africans (and blacks in general, and no, I'm not racist, I just observe trends) lean towards partying over creation, but even so, not all blacks / africans are like that.


And what do you mean by "observing trends"? This here statement would be dubbed racist by many people. See, this is what political correctness tends to do. It teaches one and only "correct" view on some subjects. To heck with statistics, to heck with facts. We are the civilized people (or we think we are), so we must show the "good example", show hospitality, show understanding etc. The only problem is the so-called 'uncivilized' people don't give a rats ass about this...

And PC stand for Political Correctness.


Ah-ha! I'm starting to see what you mean ... Thanks for the clarifications


Salamandre said:
So what, do you understand what culture is and how it represents the collective values? Take for example homosexuality: 65 countries from Africa still criminalize it. Thats not to say every african will kill every gay he meets, but that a majority of africans are okay with such views and will certainly have a hard time accepting guys jiggling around.


You're right... I guess

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Minion
Minion


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posted September 07, 2018 03:10 PM

Speaking of pc lol how I love this clip from Simpsons

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JollyJoker
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posted September 07, 2018 05:53 PM

Salamandre said:
monere said:
but even so, not all blacks / africans are like that.


So what, do you understand what culture is and how it represents the collective values? Take for example homosexuality: 65 countries from Africa still criminalize it. Thats not to say every african will kill every gay he meets, but that a majority of africans are okay with such views and will certainly have a hard time accepting guys jiggling around.
You may want to check your figures again. In Africa it's legal in 19 countries, illegal in 28 and legal for women and illegal for men in 8, according to this.

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AlHazin
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posted September 07, 2018 08:26 PM
Edited by AlHazin at 20:27, 07 Sep 2018.

@JJ: Are you really still taking him seriously?

There are not even more than 54 countries in Africa, I don't know where the dude brought his 65 from. It says a lot about the relevance of his "arguments".
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