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monere
monere


Famous Hero
posted October 05, 2018 04:21 PM

I have no idea who has come up with this information but it's wrong. Even if this was written by a Romanian it's still wrong. Vlad Tepes has never had anything to do with dragons of any kind, be it creatures, names or whatever. That's not what we've learned in the history class some 30 years ago, which means that this information is either inaccurate, or it's a newer information that's been discovered rather recently and has been confirmed by (whatever) science. But, the way I've learned about Vlad the Impaler in school I can assure you that his relation to dragons is false.

As for the Bible, again I disagree with you. I have read the bible a couple of times when I was young and naive and (some 25-30 years ago) and even though I don't remember it very well I am pretty sure (like 90-95% sure xD) that there has been no reference to the dragons in the bible, either.

Now, granted, the bible I have read was an old one (probably at least 50-60 years old, if not older) because it's been a bible that I've found in my grandparents' home, and that was - like I said - 30 years ago, so the bible must have had at least 20 years of existence before that, as well since my grandparents have never purchased any books while I've been alive and spending my childhood at them.

The point I'm trying to make is that the bible I have read has not had a dragon reference of any kind, either, so again you have probably read a newer version of the bible, and with the desperate attempts churches make to keep people enslaved to their doctrines I wouldn't be surprised that the bible has been modified in the last 2-3 decades, as well, to appeal to the younger generations.

But anyway, I still think associated the devil with dragons is generally inaccurate from all points of view, especially since there's a clear picture in everyone's mind what a dragon is and there's also a clear picture of what a devil is, and associating these 2 makes most of the people go "what?? NO WAY are these 2 related in any way, shape, or form".

But, if you want to associate them who are we to stop you? It's your game and you can do whatever you want with it, especially since it's a fantasy game

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But the name Dracul, for example, meant "Son of the Dragon" but its meaning was changed to "Son of the Devil".

In the Bible, the Dragon is strongly associated with apocalypse and the devil too :V

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NimoStar
NimoStar


Promising
Supreme Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
posted October 05, 2018 04:50 PM

Quote:
Revelation 12:9 ESV
And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.


So, according to the bible, Dragons and the Devil are the same
:V

Also, you know Vlad the Impaler is a nickname, right? The original birthname is Vlad Drăculea, from where Dracula comes from, etc. and it means "son of the Dragon" as I have written.

Of course he is not related to actual dragons, since, you know... they don't exist
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monere
monere


Famous Hero
posted October 05, 2018 04:57 PM

Again, that quote from the bible doesn't resemble anything I've read, but I'll give you credit since I've read the bible long ago and I don't remember it very well.

And yes, I know that Vlad the Impaler is a nickname. I've learned this in the history class and his nickname is based on reality because he did use to impale thieves to discourage other people from stealing. So, there's some truth to that, but (again) there's no... well, there hasn't been (when I have studied history 25 years ago) any reference to dragons with regards to Vlad. Don't know where this information has come from. I guess that's how you falsify history and manipulate people in one direction or another

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OhforfSake
OhforfSake


Promising
Legendary Hero
Initiate
posted October 05, 2018 05:14 PM

NimoStar said:
A rider has to pay to become a Raider and you need a stronghold with an upgraded building, while a hero with the Boar specialty could upgrade riders into boars without a Stronghold town.


But the same argument could be used to upgrade Vampires into Energy Elemental's or something similar, something no one would do, because they don't want either of those, they want VL's.
Both Boars and Wolf Riders are more or less useless, but Wolf Raiders at least have the possibility to shine occasionally.

NimoStar said:
And the boar rider is a goblin, not an orc as I have already shown.


While I didn't remember it before verriker mentioned it, I also believe to have read that the riders on boars are orcs. Out of curiosity I reread your text, but I can't find what you're referencing. Where did you show it wasn't orcs but goblins that ride those boars?

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monere
monere


Famous Hero
posted October 05, 2018 05:20 PM

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Where did you show it wasn't orcs but goblins that ride those boars?


Um, you can look at the picture and you can see there's goblins on those boars

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verriker
verriker


Honorable
Legendary Hero
Armagerwin's Blade
posted October 05, 2018 05:36 PM

NimoStar said:
And the boar rider is a goblin, not an orc as I have already shown. Even the feet is goblin feet, not Orc feet. So the riders and goblins are related to the boar riders.




I am sorry sir there is nothing I can do, I know the customer is always right but if your son or daughter is officially an orc he is officially an orc and not a goblin, you must haggle with JVC or God cheers lol
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Erdamon
Erdamon


Adventuring Hero
posted October 05, 2018 06:43 PM
Edited by Erdamon at 18:43, 05 Oct 2018.

Upgrade green dragons into rust dragons ? Are you nuts ?

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Djangoo
Djangoo


Adventuring Hero
posted October 05, 2018 08:04 PM

monere said:
I have no idea who has come up with this information but it's wrong. Even if this was written by a Romanian it's still wrong. Vlad Tepes has never had anything to do with dragons of any kind, be it creatures, names or whatever. That's not what we've learned in the history class some 30 years ago, which means that this information is either inaccurate, or it's a newer information that's been discovered rather recently and has been confirmed by (whatever) science. But, the way I've learned about Vlad the Impaler in school I can assure you that his relation to dragons is false.



sry for offtopic but I  just read a book about him and had to get this off chest:  the author claims the Name has something to do with his father being a member off the Dragon Order. This information is also in the Wikipedia Article and I have also heard it several times in TV documentations.

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His name had its origin in the Romanian sobriquet of his father, Vlad Dracul ("Vlad the Dragon"), who received it after he became a member of the Order of the Dragon.[4][5] Dracula is the Slavonic genitive form of Dracul, meaning "the son of Dracul (or the Dragon)".[5][6] In modern Romanian, dracul means "the devil", which contributed to Vlad's bad reputation.[6
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Dragon

You can PM me for further dicusssion ofc

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monere
monere


Famous Hero
posted October 05, 2018 08:16 PM

I'm not gonna PM you cause I'm not knowledgeable enough to discuss this topic. All I know about Tepes is what I've learned in school, and whether or not your info is also true I don't care, nor does it bother me in the slightest

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Djangoo
Djangoo


Adventuring Hero
posted October 05, 2018 08:42 PM

monere said:
I'm not gonna PM you cause I'm not knowledgeable enough to discuss this topic. All I know about Tepes is what I've learned in school, and whether or not your info is also true I don't care, nor does it bother me in the slightest


I thought you might care since you wrote a 6 block post about it on this very page but nevermind then.

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monere
monere


Famous Hero
posted October 05, 2018 08:44 PM

To me it looks like a hobgoblin, therefore a goblin. It even holds the EXACT same mace in his hand that the hobgoblin holds

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