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Heroes Community > Other Side of the Monitor > Thread: Surrogacy
Thread: Surrogacy
JollyJoker
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posted November 02, 2018 06:49 PM

Surrogacy

I was actually pretty stunned to learn that surrogacy, especially the economically motivated type, is forbidden in most countries of the world.

I understand that there are legal difficulties with these practice, but I also read and heard about ethical problems.

On first look I can't see any - but I aso don't see any with prostitution, so I may miss something here.

The listed ethical problems in the wiki article about it don't seem to be either ethically relevant either to me - but maybe someone here has a better grasp of the ethical problems that come with surrogacy and wants to share.

Any thoughts?

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artu
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posted November 02, 2018 07:51 PM

I have nothing against it and I think exercising it through law and contracts would be much better to prevent possible disputes like a birth mother changing her mind a year later and so on...
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JollyJoker
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posted November 02, 2018 07:58 PM

My thoughts exactly.

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posted November 03, 2018 07:06 AM

In my country, they say the correct term for that practice is "Temporarily Uterus Donation", but commonly known by "rent-a-belly".

The reason for some barriers of not allowing simply any person to gestate a child for another couple, and restricting to relatives, is all the changes the woman will suffer during the gestation. When it comes the time she must understand that child she's bearing is not hers, and won't be anymore. They understand that when people are relative to each other, the bounds between them help the woman who's bearing the child not to change her mind over it, not to regret getting pregnant for another person. They'll have a more emotional decision on this point than trying to hold on a contract, which won't, in many ways, really guarantee the safety or health of all parties involved.

Other cases may happen and they are not fully forbidden. Each case is judged and studied by authorities, doctors and the families involved, so there might have exceptions, specially when there are no viable relatives for that process, also when the couple (pair) involved are homossexual, and other cases.
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posted November 03, 2018 08:39 AM

I don't see any "ethical" point in your post.

Do you know any other cases where something is forbidden, because if someone would do that, said someone MIGHT regret doing it in the first place?
I mean - it's perfectly legal to marry, right? Even though a party MIGHT regret it after the fact...

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posted November 03, 2018 09:40 AM

I classify as an ethical problem bringing a child into a turmoil. Maybe I would have to provide more info such as abortion is not really legal in my country. So, if someone regrets getting pregnant, the 'problem' will not simply go away as simple as an abortion. Which should never be a simple solution either. The child and the parties involved would have a problem to solve, and the child could suffer in the process.

As for your question, I do not have anything on my mind right now. Except the need to sleep after a night of insomnia.
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JollyJoker
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posted November 03, 2018 09:56 AM

Panda, I'm not debating against you personally, I'm just attacking the points here. It is WELL known, basically to the whole world, that children SUFFER from a divorce. It is also well known that a lot of children will suffer from mis-education, abuse and generally unfit-to-be parents.
Still, no one forbids either marrying or divorce because of that - or even mentions "ethical problems".

Also, it's not forbidden to give a child up for adoption - what if mommy is regretting her decision after some time? That's basically the same thing, isn't it? I mean, no one would say, mommy might regret her decision at one point, therefore we forbid legally to give a child up for adoption, would they?

But there is even more to it. Isn't it somewhat presumptious to make assumptions on behalf of every woman? "They will become so attached to the child growing in their belly, there might be problems"? Well - so what? Women having the same rights than men? Well, there might be a problem with their natural role then, and so on.

That's not to say that there wouldn't be problems with this - it's just that I don't see any good reason to forbid this generally - nor an ethical problem.

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posted November 03, 2018 10:22 AM

I see. Perhaps it would make it easier to try and find a point knowing why other countries allow or don't allow such thing, then filter and trim out anything relevant. I cannot help much further, though.
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Salamandre
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posted November 03, 2018 05:52 PM

The only ethical problem is when asking for healthcare to support entirely or parts of the process, and this is what is about in the french debate. Okay for surrogacy for heterosexual families, if there is medical advice and no other way, but for fertile gays or lesbians, no. With their money, then I don't care.

Minorities asking for extra rights then limp politics giving up - but not before pillaging the tax payer, I would prefer that to stop.

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JollyJoker
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posted November 03, 2018 06:30 PM

While I agree with you that this isn't a "healthcare" issue, I don't think the problem is ethical in nature.

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posted November 03, 2018 07:38 PM
Edited by Salamandre at 19:51, 03 Nov 2018.

It is one: stealing from one to give to another who doesn't really need but is asking for nonetheless, is unethical. Unjustly dispossessing people from their earned wealth is morally bad.

It is the same ethical dilemma as stealing, in some cases stealing can be ethical, for example when you do it to feed your starving family. In this case however, there is no the survivability excuse, fertile gays and lesbians CAN have kids, is just that they don't like doing it the straight way. I suspect the cost to be one of the brakes holding this process in Europe, is not like the state suddenly cares about children well being. The ethical collateral debate is just the camouflage.

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JollyJoker
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posted November 03, 2018 08:10 PM

Off-topic. Blatantly and ridiculously so.

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Salamandre
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posted November 03, 2018 08:37 PM

Like the income parity men/women, isn't it? Why the state just doesn't set a law defining incomes as similar when for same job but instead only runs its mouth about ethics on the matter?

The cost. You are naive.
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JollyJoker
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posted November 03, 2018 08:44 PM

And you are still off and probably even offer the topic.

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