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posted January 05, 2020 02:42 PM

Drakon rooting now? Lord help us all....
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posted January 05, 2020 02:51 PM

Celfious said:
Drakon rooting now? Lord help us all....


Lol.


What's wrong with me rooting for fred?
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posted January 05, 2020 03:01 PM
Edited by monere at 15:19, 05 Jan 2020.

NoobX said:
Dude, magic isn't real.  Curses aren't real.  Worst thing a "curse" can do is to have a placebo effect on someone.
all curses / magic is based on hypnotic power to some extent. Are you meaning to tell me that hypnosis is not real? Because if that's what you mean, don't! I've been practicing mild self-hypnosis on myself for years and it phucking works.

I have overcome some of my biggest problems through hypnosis (lack of confidence, weak bladder, laziness - although I've still not fully overcome laziness). And here's my biggest accomplishment: I've managed to change my dreams, and now every time I'm in a dream state I dream only what I like (not gonna tell you what, though, because it's dirty )

Anyway, hypnosis is real, and so are curses / spells / magic because they're all based on hypnotic power / suggestibility. When you "curse" someone you suggest him/her to behave in a certain way, without their consent / knowledge.

Hypnosis is real because the brain is real, and because the subconscious (the part of your brain that keeps you breathing when you sleep) is real. You guys might want to look into how the human psyche works, because 1) it will stop you from making a fool outta yourselves, and 2) it's bloody fascinating

EDIT: oh, I've also overcome depression. I've been depressed for 7-8 years straight, and at some point I have reached a critical state where I would only think about suiciding. Not knowing what to do, I have remembered that one of my high school colleagues have become a psychiatrist, and I have contacted him and told him that I need help badly but that I can't pay him. Yet, being good friends in high school he has agreed to see me, and to my disappointment - when I got to his office I noticed that I knew almost as much as he did. Even he has been surprised that I knew specialty terms and techniques used by psychiatrist, even through I have never studied any of these. I have just read espionage books which have contained a lot of modern (and unconventional) psychology, and I've been able to analyze all that information (when you are depressed your nervous system / brain's sensitivity is deepened and you perceive every info, though and sensation multiplied. The more depressed you are, the more sensitive you are).

Anyway, long story short... I got to that guy's office and instead of leaving with a cure for my acute depression he's been dumbfounded that I knew as much as him. And in the end he's prescribed me some drugs (which may have helped, but I refuse to take drugs because I don't want my body to rely on them), which I never took. I don't remember what I've done exactly (this has been several years ago), but I do remember that I have gotten out of depression willingly, and with the help of my own brain, because I have understood back then that traditional science is pretty limited in critical cases, or if it's not limited then it costs an arm and a leg, and I can't afford that.

So, I relied on my brain and I have managed to get out of depression pretty easily. Now, that I know what I had to do to get out of it it looks pretty easily and silly, but back then - when you are in such a weird emotional state - everything that you think and feel is amplified to scary proportions.

I still haven't gotten rid of the underlying cause of suicidal behavior because I can't find the root (most likely a suggestion implanted in my brain by myself or someone else) of this problem inside of my psyche, and even if I found it... it takes a lot of effort on my part to get myself to re-live the (5hitty) state which is connected to this suggestion. But at least I'm aware that there is a problem, and I'm aware that it can be overcome. Maybe one day... if I'm not gonna die in the meantime LOL
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posted January 05, 2020 03:10 PM

You're just projecting stuff on a term that you arbitrarily frame and that is not universally accepted. That's not really helping the discussion.

Also, what you said to fred in the previous page, that was surprisingly cruel and disrespectful. Why would you kick someone who is already down? Fred is a big boy and there is no doubt he can take it but he's not in a good place and I don't think that talk like that is doing him any favours. Do you really want to be that guy?
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monere
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posted January 05, 2020 03:24 PM

Elvin said:
You're just projecting stuff on a term that you arbitrarily frame and that is not universally accepted. That's not really helping the discussion.

Also, what you said to fred in the previous page, that was surprisingly cruel and disrespectful. Why would you kick someone who is already down? Fred is a big boy and there is no doubt he can take it but he's not in a good place and I don't think that talk like that is doing him any favours. Do you really want to be that guy?


I never kick people who are down, so don't put words in my mouth

But I also don't like his melodramatic maneuvers. As someone who has been close to suiciding a few times I know what being in a hard state means, so he's not alone. But you never hear me dramatizing this snow like he does, do you?

Besides, everyone on this forum has been kind enough to support him with advice (that's pretty much all we can do through a forum), but we deserve to know what his problem is, don't you think? The fact that he keeps being so melodramatic and doesn't tell us what's wrong can only mean 2 things: 1) he's attention whoring (so, he's not really ill or anything).... or 2) he's trying to keep this forum alive by making controversial posts.

In either case, it's childish, or - worse - insulting to all of us, the good people who support him.
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artu
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posted January 05, 2020 03:28 PM

1- Curses arent hypnosis. Curses are supposed to work over a long period of time and from a distance. They are as mythical as any magic gets. You cant hypnotize someone to get hurt as you prick their voodoo doll.

2- Hypnosis doesnt work like it does in some movies either, itís not ďa charm spell.Ē You cant force people to do what they normally wouldnt want to, it is mildly a short phase of focus in which the hypnotizer can semi-reach your subconsciousness. Itís not much different than a lighter type of drug-induced state but only through psychological conditioning.
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monere
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posted January 05, 2020 03:39 PM
Edited by monere at 15:42, 05 Jan 2020.

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Curses arent hypnosis
if you have hypnotic power (usually inborn) and you tell a weak person (weak=easily suggestible / manipulable) on a subconscious level that he will die in one year the subconscious part of his brain will acknowledge the suggestion and will act upon it until it makes it reality.

The subconscious part of the brain doesn't differentiate between truth and lie. It only acts upon the info it's being fed.

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Curses are supposed to work over a long period of time and from a distance
according to what rules? Just because you said so, or you have a source for this allegation?

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They are as mythical as any magic gets
and so is your knowledge on the subject

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You cant hypnotize someone to get hurt
yes, you can. Open up some psychology books. Everything that happens with the human has causes and effects inside their psyche

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Hypnosis doesnt work like it does in some movies either
I don't know how it works in movies, but you are probably right. Movies rarely depict reality, so I wouldn't be surprised

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You cant force people to do what they normally wouldnt want to
yes you can. If you have enough hypnotic power you actually can.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted January 05, 2020 03:44 PM

@ the curse stuff

Look, I don't know about curses but what monere is saying about hypnotic power is true. I talked about it with a certified psychologist and she said pretty much what monere's saying.
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posted January 05, 2020 03:49 PM

monere said:
(when you are depressed your nervous system / brain's sensitivity is deepened and you perceive every info, though and sensation multiplied. The more depressed you are, the more sensitive you are)...

So, I relied on my brain and I have managed to get out of depression pretty easily. Now, that I know what I had to do to get out of it it looks pretty easily and silly, but back then - when you are in such a weird emotional state - everything that you think and feel is amplified to scary proportions.


interesting for you to state that, after you posted this abomination:

monere said:
hey, drama queen! Care to let us know wtf is wrong with you, or you just whoring for attention now! I'm kinda fed up with your attention whoring. Either you die, or not, I couldn't care less. But let me know wtf you are suffering from: aids, cancer, bubonic plague, leukemia, just spit it out and stop being more melodramatic than my grandma


and, to reply to this:

monere said:
But I also don't like his melodramatic maneuvers. As someone who has been close to suiciding a few times I know what being in a hard state means, so he's not alone. But you never hear me dramatizing this snow like he does, do you?

Besides, everyone on this forum has been kind enough to support him with advice (that's pretty much all we can do through a forum), but we deserve to know what his problem is, don't you think? The fact that he keeps being so melodramatic and doesn't tell us what's wrong can only mean 2 things: 1) he's attention whoring (so, he's not really ill or anything).... or 2) he's trying to keep this forum alive by making controversial posts.

In either case, it's childish, or - worse - insulting to all of us, the good people who support him.


no one is forcing you into this thread, or to read anything in it. as far as suicide goes, i've been close many times myself for years; as have others. but that's not the point here. the ability of suicide would have been a GIFT compared to what i experienced last year. but I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THAT CHOICE, this time around. consider yourself lucky that that could even be a CHOICE for you. you have NO idea of the depths of which i've plummeted in the past year. suicide would have been a BLISSFUL escape. you ignorant and uppity little snow.

that you actually consider yourself "good" or "supportive", after the bullsnow you've been posting here and elsewhere regarding myself and this bullsnow i've been living, tells me all i need to know about who and what you are. i pray you don't breed and spread your character into any unfortunate offspring. this world doesn't need any more cancer like you in it. it is people like YOU that i have had my absolute FILL of, this past year. snow right the snow off, cockroach.

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artu
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posted January 05, 2020 03:58 PM
Edited by artu at 16:00, 05 Jan 2020.

@monere

Thatís a pretty snowed up format to reply, you cant take half of my sentence and overline it out of context.

1- Asking who says curses work from a distance is kind of like asking who says dragons breath fire or elves have pointy ears. There is a conventional understanding of what they are, what comes to mind when people mention them. Since they are not real, of course, this is completely intersubjective but so is astrology or any other made up stuff.

When someone says they are cursed, unless they are being rhetorical, they refer to a super-natural force that affects their life beyond any real-life hypnosis can achieve. They dont refer to a state in which they are hypnotic. (Because thatís what real hypnosis is, it is a state which cant last long, you can overcome psychological barriers in such a state, say, decide to give up smoking, but it doesnt mean you are in an hypnotic state for the rest of your life as long as you dont smoke.)

2- Had hypnosis worked like you suggested, weíd be living in a very different world. Even the laws would have changed accordingly. Once again, it is not a charm spell and you cant turn people into remotely controlled robots through hypnosis. I do have knowledge on the subject and I know you will not be able to bring up one credible, scientific source that says you can. Hypnosis doesnt turn you into a dummy who obeys their master.
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posted January 05, 2020 04:17 PM

I see that ad hominem is the peak of argumentation on HC.
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posted January 05, 2020 04:25 PM

NoobX said:
I see that ad hominem is the peak of argumentation on HC.


i'm responding in kind. i have no patience for despicable snows anymore. i've already said what i could to address the topic at hand. the thread's getting derailed by off-topic anyway. curses and hypnosis was not what this subject was regarding, and is not what it was created for. it was also not to be used as an attractant for pieces of snow.

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monere
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posted January 05, 2020 04:28 PM

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no one is forcing you into this thread, or to read anything in it. as far as suicide goes, i've been close many times myself for years; as have others. but that's not the point here. the ability of suicide would have been a GIFT compared to what i experienced last year. but I DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THAT CHOICE, this time around. consider yourself lucky that that could even be a CHOICE for you. you have NO idea of the depths of which i've plummeted in the past year. suicide would have been a BLISSFUL escape. you ignorant and uppity little snow.

that you actually consider yourself "good" or "supportive", after the bullsnow you've been posting here and elsewhere regarding myself and this bullsnow i've been living, tells me all i need to know about who and what you are. i pray you don't breed and spread your character into any unfortunate offspring. this world doesn't need any more cancer like you in it. it is people like YOU that i have had my absolute FILL of, this past year. snow right the snow off, cockroach.


cool story, drama queen. Now, care to let us know which illness killed you? If you don't want to share it with me, at least share it with the other guys on the forum, and stop being a snow about it


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Thatís a pretty snowed up format to reply, you cant take half of my sentence and overline it out of context
when truths and lies are mixed up so professionally as to manipulate the unaware you have to split them up so you can address each idea individually.

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Asking who says curses work from a distance is kind of like asking who says dragons breath fire or elves have pointy ears
not at all. Curses are real so they can have a real explanation, whereas the dragons and elves are fiction, so they don't have explanations anchored into reality. Besides, even if the elves existed and have pointed ears that's true because everyone can see that they have pointed ears. But saying that curses "are supposed to only work from a distance" is not true simply because they have worked on me when I have cast them myself. Sure, I haven't cursed myself because I have not induced bad thoughts / habits into my own psyche, on the contrary, I have blessed myself so I could overcome my issues. But since curses and blesses work the same, and they work from close range as well, it's obvious that I won't agree with your statement that "they are supposed to work from a distance"

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Since they are not real
I pray to God that you'll never be a victim of a curse. I honestly hope  you won't ever experience one because, ultimately, you're not a bad guy and I don't know you. We are just changing ideas

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When someone says they are cursed, they refer to a super-natural force that affects their life beyond any real-life hypnosis can achieve
uneducated people refer to hypnosis (curses) as supernatural. Educated ones (and scientists) refer to curses by their real names: hypnosis (of some kind). Hypnosis can achieve anything, and it's even more powerful than a traditional curse (even though, like I said, curses are also hypnosis to some extent). And the reason hypnosis is more powerful than traditional curses is because through hypnosis you DIRECTLY and INSTANTLY affect the attacked brain, whereas with curses (the one practiced by witches) you need some kind of mediums (dolls, staffs, cloths, whatever) to perform your ritual because you are not strong enough mentally to directly affect the brain of the victim

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Because thatís what real hypnosis is, it is a state which cant last long
yep, hypnosis is a state, but it can last as long or as little as the hypnotist wants. It doesn't have a definitive state

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you can overcome psychological barriers in such a state, say, decide to give up smoking, but it doesnt mean you are in an hypnotic state for the rest of your life as long as you dont smoke
true

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Had hypnosis worked like you suggested, weíd be living in a very different world
it works like that, but not because I suggest it, but because that's science has discovered. I have only read on the topic and tested it on myself and it does work like that. And we would be living in a different world indeed, because the human brain can conceive whatever reality it wants / is instructed to. Even today - even if you don't acknowledge it - hypnosis (or any of its forms) is used extensively somewhere on this planet, at any given moment. Even big corporations use hypnosis (conditioning more specifically, which is also a form of hypnosis) to educate you and me, and everyone else in behaving according to their goals (usually to spend money on their products)

Yes, had hypnosis worked like it does (and it does) we would be living in a different world, but even in this world hypnosis still works like it does

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Even the laws would have changed accordingly
the laws change all the time according to the current society's needs and behaviours

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it is not a charm spell and you cant turn people into remotely controlled robots through hypnosis
yes you can if you have enough hypnotic power and you find the right sucker(s). The fact that it doesn't happen often (or maybe it does but we're not aware of it since hypnosis... well, bypasses all conscious barriers), or that we are not aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If you'll read more on the topic (but you'll have to find books of people who have died sharing this information, because sharing it has been too dangerous for the hypnotists - usually big corporations, the army, and other powerful entities) you will understand how easily it is to turn (even masses) of people into robots by taking control of a certain part of their brain

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I do have knowledge on the subject and I know you will not be able to bring up one credible, scientific source that says you can
define "credible"! What would I have to say / do to make you believe controversial / well hidden information on the topic. I think the best solution would be to test this on yourself and check the effects after several months / 1 year. Just make sure you perform hypnosis under strict supervision of a professional.

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Hypnosis doesnt turn you into a dummy who obeys their master
Yes, it does.
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monere
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posted January 05, 2020 04:35 PM
Edited by monere at 16:39, 05 Jan 2020.

fred79 said:
NoobX said:
I see that ad hominem is the peak of argumentation on HC.


i'm responding in kind. i have no patience for despicable snows anymore. i've already said what i could to address the topic at hand. the thread's getting derailed by off-topic anyway. curses and hypnosis was not what this subject was regarding, and is not what it was created for. it was also not to be used as an attractant for pieces of snow.


Yes, I'm a piece of snow. Now, may I kindly know what the phuck you are suffering from? Pretty please?

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Look, I don't know about curses but what monere is saying about hypnotic power is true. I talked about it with a certified psychologist and she said pretty much what monere's saying.
of course it's true. I don't remember who has said this, but I've read a quote of some scientist a few years ago that went something like this "the beautiful thing about science is that it's true, no matter if you believe in it or not". I really like this quote
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posted January 05, 2020 04:38 PM

with things going the way they are in the states, i am not inclined to respond to you with what i would reply with. find someone else to bother, cockroach.

take that off-topic out of this thread. and take yourself with it.

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monere
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posted January 05, 2020 04:41 PM

fred79 said:
with things going the way they are in the states, i am not inclined to respond to you with what i would reply with. find someone else to bother, cockroach.

take that off-topic out of this thread. and take yourself with it.
ok, I'll find someone else to bother (I love trolling)

I wish you all the best, though
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posted January 05, 2020 05:02 PM
Edited by artu at 17:05, 05 Jan 2020.

@monere

Yes, laws change all the time but obviously, what I meant was, they would have changed already, had hypnosis worked like you suggested. People invented airplanes and within a decade or two, each country established laws regulating air space. Yet, according to you, for centuries, we live in this world where any weak-minded person can be turned into a puppet, yet no country has any laws punishing this or even addressing the issue. I mean, alcohol or drugs can affect your behavior and you have laws about that everywhere right, nobody seems to treat your version of hypnosis as a real threat though, how strange!

Secondly, what I mean by credible source is a peer reviewed article or research from an actual scientific publication suggesting hypnosis works like a curse and you can remotely control people and make them do whatever you want. Since you wont be able come up with such a thing, rest of your rambling about how you dont suggest this or that, that unlike dragons, it is all real and scientists know this and call them hypnosis etc is simply moot.
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posted January 05, 2020 05:08 PM

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they would have changed already, had hypnosis worked like you suggested
ok

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Since you wont be able come up with such a thing, rest of your rambling about how you dont suggest this or that, that  it is all real and scientists know this and call them hypnosis etc is simply moot
ok
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posted January 05, 2020 05:24 PM

I don't know many depressed and close-to-suicide people who nevertheless took,the time to see the last jedi then comment it in the movie thread

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posted January 05, 2020 05:26 PM

Salamandre said:
I don't know many depressed and close-to-suicide people who nevertheless took,the time to see the last jedi then comment it in the movie thread
If I tell you that I have not watched the last 2-3 SW movies will you believe me?
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