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posted November 03, 2019 12:59 AM |
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You guys really need to get off your Russian energy dependence. Use tomato sauce to light your cities or something.
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posted November 03, 2019 05:38 AM |
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blizzardboy said:
Reasonably competent people are usually kind of boring. They're at a disadvantage.
Agreed. Many people prefer politicians that act like circus artists and tricksters instead.
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posted November 03, 2019 08:15 AM |
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blizzardboy said:
You guys really need to get off your Russian energy dependence. Use tomato sauce to light your cities or something.
As a matter of fact we had some plans for nuclear power plants, or oil drilling, or trash power plants. Coincidentally all of them get thrown out of the window in favour of deals with Germany and France.
Ironically Russian energy would make us much more independent than we are now.
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posted November 03, 2019 09:01 AM |
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blizzardboy said:
You guys really need to get off your Russian energy dependence. Use tomato sauce to light your cities or something.
The problem with this is Germany. They made the decision to shut down their nuclear power plants in the near future, which pretty much married them to Russian gas for the next four/five decades. The strive to move to renewable resources which is getting rid of coal was expected to aggravate it only slightly before the whole Fukushima mess, which ultimately worked as the trigger. The problem is there isn’t enough renewable energy to go around in central europe to take it’s place so Germany needs the gas to warm is cities in the winter. American/Korean LNG is just too expensive of an option at the moment.
Pretty much all eastern european countries took the opposite road to get rid of energy dependence(Poland coal, Estonia shale gas, Finland hydro/bio) but these are all native to their country. All of this is facing opposition from the green parties in europe, just like nuclear. If you look at european green parties, most of them are fine with gas, or even advocate it. A large portion of which are financed by Russia. Now a lot of this is simply economical, oil and gas are what keeps Russia afloat. If Germany would close sown their side of the gas pipes, Russia would be hit with an economic crisis. The other side is that Russia is massively dependent on european investment(german especially). One way street would be very bad for them, they remember the nineties. But this also enables them to act with relative freedom in the crossover zone in ukraine, georgia and armenia. All of which are countries that we’re supposed to join the EU/Nato. Georgia was a test run and Ukraine was a huge success.
Just think about what would have happened had Brazil invaded Puerto Rico when they wanted to join the US.
They do also finance the far-right and the far-left too btw. Everything that strives for a more conservative Europe that’s more separated, weaker and more pro-Russia.
The interrelationships would make for a very long book so I’ll stop here but TL R, Russia is also dependent on Europe and the ones to suffer are the small countries next to Russia, as always.
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posted November 03, 2019 09:36 AM |
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Edited by Galaad at 10:08, 03 Nov 2019.
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blizzardboy said:
He won the election pretty strong so what made people turn on him so quickly months back? It's hard to believe none of this arrogance came through while he was campaigning for president. It can't just be because people personally dislike him.
As Neraeus said, he won only because he faced Le Pen on second turn. First turn was really close between him, Fillon, le Pen and Mélenchon. All had around 20%, and all would have made the same result vs le Pen. But only 50% of population went to vote, so you can cut these numbers in half. What it means, concretely, is if you take France full population, only 10% genuinely are behind him. That is not a lot. And from these 10%, 9,99% are cuckolded as they aren't rich enough to benefit from his policy, lol.
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posted November 08, 2019 11:57 PM |
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Basically, anti-science hippy rhetoric in Germany is inadvertently making them both a major polluter and enabling Russia to act like Russia. I read that Germany is guzzling domestic coal at rates not seen in decades. Worst pollutor in Europe despite having so many Greens. Irony.
Nuclear is by far the best renewable option. The plant in Japan was built in the 70s and those are crap compared to what you can make today. USA uses a lot of gas these days which helps but the anti-nuclear lobby is pretty strong. Hydro and geo aren't options except in certain areas. Solar does excellent in my current state (the southwest). I think nuclear consists of somewhere around 10% of our energy output which is just stupidly low.
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Macron wasn't their first pick but he wasn't their last pick either. Do French people secretly enjoy complaining? My father secretly enjoys complaining but he won't admit it.
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posted November 09, 2019 12:45 AM |
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Macron is so "competent" that the whole country burned for months with protests and dozens of dead... if it was Venezuela, someone might have spoken of the "failure of capitalism" and some foreign power recognized some no-name joker as "real president" agtainst the "Macron dictatorship"
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posted November 09, 2019 12:58 AM |
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I would love to spend a week doing recreational / therapeutic protesting in France so I can smash and burn stuff. If somebody was smart they would do a tech startup that specializes in selling protestor / riot gear, and then they could have super saver specials if you but the full rioter kit.
It is criminal how many people riot on the streets without considering the fashion statement they are making. Just because you can't pay for gas or rent doesnt mean you can't put aside a small sum of money to make sure you are fashionable when rioting.
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posted November 09, 2019 08:19 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
Basically, anti-science hippy rhetoric in Germany is inadvertently making them both a major polluter and enabling Russia to act like Russia. I read that Germany is guzzling domestic coal at rates not seen in decades. Worst pollutor in Europe despite having so many Greens. Irony.
Someone is talking out of his arse again.
Germany's: Energy production in % from 2014-2018
2014: Coal: 43 Renewable: 26 Gas: 10 Nuclear: 16 Other: 5
2015: Coal: 42 Renewable: 30 Gas: 9 Nuclear: 14 Other: 5
2016: Coal: 40 Renewable: 29 Gas: 13 Nuclear: 12 Other: 5
2017: Coal: 37 Renewable: 33 Gas: 13 Nuclear: 12 Other: 5
2018: Coal: 35 Renewable: 35 Gas: 13 Nuclear: 12 Other: 5
First semester of 2019 shows a massive decrease of coal use compared to 2018 by over 20% which is covered by Gas and Renewable which is currently at over 40%.
Germany will be completely out of nuclear energy production with the end of 2022. We obviously have to cover those 12% and it wouldn't do to just buy it from our neighbors (nuclear plants). So Germany will buy gas from Russia. I expect Gas to go up to up to 25%, Coal down do 25% and Renewable reaching 45-50% until then.
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posted November 09, 2019 09:53 AM |
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@BB
I don't think you actually want to know why France is falling apart if that is the kind of rhetoric you want to use.
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posted November 09, 2019 03:37 PM |
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@Galaad:
I do I'm sorry I just got sidetracked.
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Yes but Germany burns brown coal which is one of the worst polluters. It is also possible that I am several years out of date but Germany is much worse than the UK or France with its energy output and the anti-nuclear lobby is largely to blame for that. You could be providing both clean energy and jobs for German citizens but some people care about neither
There are two types of environmentalists. The kind who actually want results and the fakers who only care about their backyard looking beautiful.
It's also bad to have a dependence on a state with imperialist ambitions when you could theoretically be self-reliant or at least pretty close.
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posted November 13, 2019 08:45 AM |
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I didn't dislike Macron, only disagree with his beliefs. However, since yesterday where thousands of Islamists yelled their hate cry in the middle of Paris without any reaction from authorities, I don't think he can go lower
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posted November 13, 2019 09:23 AM |
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JollyJoker said:
Germany will be completely out of nuclear energy production with the end of 2022.
why would you get rid of nuclear when gas&coal make 50% of your energy production and are major pollution sources?
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posted November 13, 2019 11:10 AM |
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The primary reason is not that the plants are dangerous (if something happens, although it happened already a lot).
There is no safe place for longtime nuclear waste storage in Germany - that waste includes the disassembled old and as "unsafe" characterized plants as well, not just fuel rods and so on.
And you can't trust to hand them over to any other country (for money). Nuclear waste is stored unsafely around the world, for example here.
Nuclear waste disposal is a desaster in waiting worldwide.
Coal is a different problem. In 2015 Germany's coal consumption was on the average of worldwide consumption at a bit less than 41% (China is the main culprit here). Increasing nuclear power output and reducing coal would be an extremely shortsighted way to address the coal problems, because coal isn't the only CO2 producer in the world and the increased nuclear waste would simply create additional problems.
The only long and medium term solution here is going renewable, full force.
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posted November 13, 2019 11:35 AM |
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There's also the problem of Germany becoming more and more dependent on Russian gas.
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posted November 13, 2019 12:20 PM |
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It's not REALLY a dependency, since the coal plants will not become defunct (unlike the nuclear pps), just unused. If Russia would stop delivering gas we'd have to resort to them again (for a time), and then what for Russia?
We could also buy energy directly from other European countries that are part of the European net.
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posted November 13, 2019 02:05 PM |
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China is a developing country. There's still hundreds of millions living in poverty. Its energy profile is improving.
I think it's more disconcerting that a developed country is deliberately putting themselves on Russian energy dependence when they could easily have done differently.
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posted November 13, 2019 02:11 PM |
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Salamandre said:
I didn't dislike Macron, only disagree with his beliefs. However, since yesterday where thousands of Islamists yelled their hate cry in the middle of Paris without any reaction from authorities, I don't think he can go lower
What is he exactly saying in that video? (other than the zillion Allah-u ekbers I mean.)
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posted November 13, 2019 02:13 PM |
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There needs to be a strict definition of "hate speech" otherwise almost everything controversial can become hate speech.
I don't understand what that man is doing that is illegal.
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posted November 13, 2019 03:05 PM |
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Gas is also used to heat German homes though. A very large portion of them. This is not something you can easily just afford to turn off as it’s not easily replaced. The economy might grind to a halt for a day as the coal plants are turned back on but the people freezing in the winter as they don’t have heating is a bigger issue. It doesn’t help that most German housing is absolutely atrocious when it comes to heat insulation.
Storing the radioactive waste is not really a problem. You just dig a deep hole and put it in there. In an area that is not liable to have large earthquakes. Of course this is rather expensive. The Finnish one is around 4 billion euros or so iirc. 3,5 billion of which was spent during the research phase(which included 400m depth or so) and the actual operation is estimated to take around 500M€(the processing and capsuling plant and operation itself). The money for this has been deposited throughout the operation time of the nuclear plants. It’s safe there for the next 100 000 years or so.
Unless you are France and just dump it in the ocean. Then it’s a pretty huge problem.
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