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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Do you pick Resistance skill as Rampart?
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JoonasTo
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What if Elvin was female?
posted November 27, 2019 11:52 AM

bloodsucker said:
That's not true, Gundula and Dessa beat most might heroes.
Battle mages aren’t magic heroes. They’re literally 50/50 between might/magic stats. The only pointer to magic is their earlier elemental secondary pick.

Doomforge said:
bloodsucker said:
I don't remember to have ever seen it used in competitive streams or do I recall an occasion where when I was watching I thought "Clone would be great here"...


what, people don't clone archangels anymore?

Yeah, exactly. You clone your creature bank AA stack first turn and call it a game.
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Otuken
Otuken


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posted November 27, 2019 08:05 PM

Might heroes are still better without Town Portal. Magic heroes will get worse secondary skills, have constantly mana issues less at/def powers, harder times to break banks and no matter how high your hero's power skill you can cast magic only one per rounds while at/def provide immiadetaly and constantly benefit to all of your units. On the top of that these spells especially OP mas spells can already be cast by might heroes with the same eficiency.

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bloodsucker
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posted November 27, 2019 08:21 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 20:21, 27 Nov 2019.

JoonasTo said:
Yeah, exactly. You clone your creature bank AA stack first turn and call it a game.

May I ask when was the last time you saw someone do that in a PvP match? I've saw Eovacius using it once or twice against the map but he wasn't the one in the FB that day.
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phoenix4ever
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posted November 27, 2019 08:28 PM

Otuken said:
Might heroes are still better without Town Portal. Magic heroes will get worse secondary skills, have constantly mana issues less at/def powers, harder times to break banks and no matter how high your hero's power skill you can cast magic only one per rounds while at/def provide immiadetaly and constantly benefit to all of your units. On the top of that these spells especially OP mas spells can already be cast by might heroes with the same eficiency.

Then what if you have very little army, but 40 Power and 40 Knowledge, perhaps Intelligence, some elemental orbs and some powerful spells? I would prefer the magic hero in that case.

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Otuken
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posted November 27, 2019 08:37 PM

phoenix4ever said:
Otuken said:
Might heroes are still better without Town Portal. Magic heroes will get worse secondary skills, have constantly mana issues less at/def powers, harder times to break banks and no matter how high your hero's power skill you can cast magic only one per rounds while at/def provide immiadetaly and constantly benefit to all of your units. On the top of that these spells especially OP mas spells can already be cast by might heroes with the same eficiency.

Then what if you have very little army, but 40 Power and 40 Knowledge, perhaps Intelligence, some elemental orbs and some powerful spells? I would prefer the magic hero in that case.


Your main hero most likely would have no reason to carry little army in this case enemy might heroes would have even higher at/def stats than 40 Power/knowledge (ex 55 at/def) since they will most likely faster level up, breaks banks faster and got logistics and this kind of high lvl might heroes cannot be beaten by magic heroes.

I use them for hit and run and sometimes castle defending but never making main them.

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phoenix4ever
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posted November 27, 2019 08:42 PM

What if your main hero has lost most of his troops in battle?

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Otuken
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posted November 27, 2019 08:53 PM

phoenix4ever said:
What if your main hero has lost most of his troops in battle?


Game would be already lost in competitive multiplayer. In single it would be never happen if I not try to dangeriosly explore map with my main hero.

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phoenix4ever
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posted November 27, 2019 09:03 PM

Yeah, I guess I play "a different game" than everyone else. In my game AI is actually a challenge, so I often end up with very few troops on my main hero, yet I usually manage to come back and win anyway, that's what keeps the game interesting for me.

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bloodsucker
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posted November 27, 2019 09:14 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 21:14, 27 Nov 2019.

phoenix4ever said:
In my game AI is actually a challenge...

Better said: since I play so badly I can't beat a slightly less crippled AI (because I refuse to learn with the pros and instead spend my time complaining about balance, so I can play a random hero get Serena and still beat Crag)...
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phoenix4ever
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posted November 27, 2019 09:21 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 21:24, 27 Nov 2019.

bloodsucker said:

Better said: since I play so badly I can't beat a slightly less crippled AI (because I refuse to learn with the pros and instead spend my time complaining about balance, so I can play a random hero get Serena and still beat Crag)...

Slighty less crippled? LOL you have no idea what you are talking about.

@OhforfSake Yeah feels great to turn a game around does'nt it?

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Otuken
Otuken


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posted November 27, 2019 09:29 PM

Will most players still be able to defeat 1v7 Allied AI in %200?

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phoenix4ever
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posted November 27, 2019 09:35 PM

No I think that would be completely impossible.

@Bloodsucker I don't understand how I can be a bad player for actually making the game much harder for myself?

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bloodsucker
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posted November 27, 2019 09:52 PM

There many things I don't understand too... For instance, one day you say Intelligence specialists are over the top and one can't beat an AI that has 300 or 400 more points then you, the other day you say the new Resistance is bad because the battle will be decided in less then 20 turns. If battle is winnable in less then 20 turns you don't need 300 spellpoints.
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phoenix4ever
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posted November 27, 2019 09:56 PM

What?, what are you talking about now?
If an enemy has 400 more spell points than you, imagine how many Armageddons, Implosions or Elementals he could summon.
Also the AI will use all the mana it takes to defeat you, you might not that have that luxury...

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bloodsucker
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posted November 27, 2019 10:03 PM

phoenix4ever said:
What?, what are you talking about now?
If an enemy has 400 more spell points than you, imagine how many Armageddons, Implosions or Elementals he could summon.

But what happens is they die with 300 spellpoints in the spellpoll.

phoenix4ever said:
Also the AI will use all the mana it takes to defeat you, you might not that have that luxury...

Yet, this is true. How often do I remember to let some Resurrections go because I need some spellpoints for the next battle?
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phoenix4ever
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posted November 27, 2019 10:08 PM
Edited by phoenix4ever at 22:09, 27 Nov 2019.

If you are fast enough to defeat his legions of Earth Elementals, before he used all them mana.

No more if you for example was stuck on an island and needed to cast Summon Boat/Town Portal/Water Walk/Fly/DD, can't do that with 0 mana can you? Better pick Mysticism next time, right?

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Otuken
Otuken


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posted November 27, 2019 10:13 PM

Even if you make a magic hero main it is still not guarantee that you will have significantly higher spell power than your foe because as I said might heroes will get better secondary skills especially logictic  will break banks faster, level up more rapidly and it will cause snowball effect that a magic hero never catch.



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phoenix4ever
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posted November 27, 2019 10:14 PM

Dessa is faster than most might heroes.

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Otuken
Otuken


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posted November 27, 2019 10:15 PM

Battle mages aren't really magic heroes.

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bloodsucker
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posted November 27, 2019 10:26 PM

Their exceptions for Wisdom and magic schools are every three levels...
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