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Orc
Famous Hero
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posted December 12, 2019 05:25 AM |
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I just realised demon farming imps is much more expensive than recruiting demons.
meh,
I thought it will be much cheaper to create demons from imps.
and the best units for demon farming is pikemen and dwafs.
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NimoStar
Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
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posted December 12, 2019 06:35 AM |
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Maybe it gets cheaper if you have +health artifacts.
Also, remember you can get free imps from external dwellings as every level 1 creature, whereas for demons you always have to pay.
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Zaio-Baio
Promising
Famous Hero
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posted December 12, 2019 06:38 AM |
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Also you can convert all units from pandoras and they are free 
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Orc
Famous Hero
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posted December 13, 2019 09:56 PM |
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basically the only advantage will be to combine units into one stack.
only useless imps are worth sacrificing.
I will never sacrifice my hounds or gogs. they are just better than a slow demon with no special moves.
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Doomforge
Admirable
Undefeatable Hero
Retired Hero
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posted December 13, 2019 11:14 PM |
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There is another advantage.
You can send units to tank/buy time up front and resurrect them before combat ends.
That way whatever you lost in the fight comes back to you as a demon.
It's more effective in HotA because you can send crappy stacks to defend up front and make magogs hit 5-6 enemies at once because they surround the crappy stack. After that you just turn the stack to demons and end up with a cleared enemy with no losses.
It's situational but can be used to good results.
The only problem is that, of course, you need to upgrade pitfiend dwelling and buy enough pitlords for it to work. And that money could as well go towards devils.
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Otuken
Famous Hero
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posted December 14, 2019 12:27 AM |
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You should never buy imps for just to convert them into demons unless you are really rich or you have HP artifacts. Imp cost is 50, 35 Imps=1750 Gold=4 Demon but their normal cost is 1000.
It is only good when you have already significant amount of free imps for example 60 Imps then it is really good to buy 10 imps then turning them into 8 demons.
And you really should turn dogs into demons in banks. 7 dogs become 5 demons it is awesome rate and the only way having a strong demon stack. 7 dogs=1400 Gold and becomes 5 demons=1250 while their normal cost is already same!
This mean that per 7 dogs you have to pay just 150 gold it is awsome bargain. You gain somethings that will soak damages amount of time then become demons plus significantly reducing total casualties.
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Hourglass
Famous Hero
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posted December 14, 2019 01:39 AM |
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Yeah, it's totally more expensive, but the point is having better stack overall, and almost anything can be turned into demon to be a part of the powerstack.
Let's do some math: If a player is using imps to make demons, he should always do it with a stack of exactly 35 imps, or a stack that can be divided with number 35. (Imps have 4 health, demons 35, and if we don't want any health points to go waste, we must use number that can be divided with 35)
Sacrificing 35 imps would be just enought to grand you 4 demons. Normally, demons cost 250 gold. Imps cost 50g, and since we used 35 of them, that would have cost us 1750g, and since we got 4 demons, one demon technicially cost us 437,5g. Moneywise, this isn't a very cost efficient strategy.
While testing this, I found out that if a player has Ring of life, 35 Imps will be turned into 5 Demons. I would have thought a player would get a demon for every 35+1=36 points of health(since you're wearing the ring), but that doensn't seem to be the case. Good for farming thou.
In this case, Demons would cost you 350g per unit.
Pikemen indeed have an exellent gold to hp ratio, since they have 10 hp and cost 60g. This would mean every 7 Pikeman would give 2 demons, meaning each demon would basically cost 210g.
Best unit for farming seems to be Peasent, since they're super cheap, costing 10g and having 3 hp each. 35 of these guys would make 3 demons, and cost per demon would be 116g each - that's better than 50% discount!
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Orc
Famous Hero
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posted December 18, 2019 06:27 PM |
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Edited by Orc at 18:27, 18 Dec 2019.
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Hourglass said:
While testing this, I found out that if a player has Ring of life, 35 Imps will be turned into 5 Demons. I would have thought a player would get a demon for every 35+1=36 points of health(since you're wearing the ring), but that doensn't seem to be the case. Good for farming thou.
yea, I did the same test. However, when playing Era II, there is a "extended battle script" which increase defense and HP for all troops.
Demons will have 45 HP in this script. I also tested when that script is on. I think demons will require 45 imps to summon 6 demons iirc. its been a while since I did the test though, so I could be wrong.
there is also hero specialization boost, which make Marius increase HP for his demon stacks. not sure how that would affect the summoning, I never tried it.
Hourglass said:
Best unit for farming seems to be Peasent, since they're super cheap, costing 10g and having 3 hp each. 35 of these guys would make 3 demons, and cost per demon would be 116g each - that's better than 50% discount!
last time I checked peasants have 1 HP, but 3 speed. so demon will cost 350
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