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posted December 19, 2019 03:22 PM |
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Wyrmlord said:
and Richard Nixon, who resigned before he could be impeached.
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Salamandre
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posted December 19, 2019 04:28 PM |
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Wyrmlord said:
And don't forget about
I certainly don't forget how Trump won the presidency while mainstream cuck-polls gave him 3% chances. What an embarrassment indeed. 
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posted December 19, 2019 05:03 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Wyrmlord said:
And don't forget about
I certainly don't forget how Trump won the presidency while mainstream cuck-polls gave him 3% chances. What an embarrassment indeed.
Him winning the election is one thing. Him not even finishing his first term in office before being impeached for abusing his power is an entirely different matter.
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posted December 19, 2019 05:11 PM |
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Wyrmlord said:
It's all smiles and waves in public. But he, too, must deal with the embarrassment.
And don't forget about Andrew Johnson, who was also impeached, and Richard Nixon, who resigned before he could be impeached.
Andrew Jackson and Trump have a lot in common in that they're both kind of crazy in the head, but honestly I'm not sure if Clinton or Trump actually give a ****. Trump has already turned it into a form of martyrdom, so it's more of a badge of honor than a stain for him.
The ridiculousness of it is that Trump does deserve to be impeached, but now that he's been impeached by the House but it won't actually go anywhere in the Senate, it will probably be a boost for him in 2020.
The GOP has compared the impeachment to Pearl Harbor and Jesus. So for those who think politics in France or the UK are just as crazy as the US, sorry, but no, we win and you lose.
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posted December 19, 2019 05:27 PM |
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Edited by Wyrmlord at 17:40, 19 Dec 2019.
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Blizzardboy said:
Wyrmlord said:
It's all smiles and waves in public. But he, too, must deal with the embarrassment.
And don't forget about Andrew Johnson, who was also impeached, and Richard Nixon, who resigned before he could be impeached.
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Andrew Jackson and Trump have a lot in common in that they're both kind of crazy in the head
Andrew Jackson was a different president. Andrew Johnson came
after Lincoln and got impeached.
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I'm not sure if Clinton or Trump actually give a ****. Trump has already turned it into a form of martyrdom, so it's more of a badge of honor than a stain for him.
Trump cares. Just look at his Twitter feed and the letter he sent to Congress earlier this week: A rambling mess that reads like a fourth grader fuming about his parents on LiveJournal.
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The ridiculousness of it is that Trump does deserve to be impeached, but now that he's been impeached by the House but it won't actually go anywhere in the Senate, it will probably be a boost for him in 2020.
It's the Senate Republicans who will do everything in their power to keep their majority.
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The GOP has compared the impeachment to Pearl Harbor and Jesus. So for those who think politics in France or the UK are just as crazy as the US, sorry, but no, we win and you lose.
These are the same people who call Trump "God's candidate," a man, who
built his billions screwing people over for decades in the New York City real estate market.
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Salamandre
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posted December 19, 2019 06:55 PM |
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oh god, we had the bots issue, now more leftist cucks. HC is doomed and deserves to be impeached.
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posted December 19, 2019 07:10 PM |
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Edited by Wyrmlord at 19:11, 19 Dec 2019.
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Salamandre said:
oh god, we had the bots issue, now more leftist cucks. HC is doomed and deserves to be impeached.
OK, boomer.
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posted December 19, 2019 07:17 PM |
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Salamandre said:
oh god, we had the bots issue, now more leftist cucks. HC is doomed and deserves to be impeached.
It could have been worse. He could have been an American.
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posted December 19, 2019 07:28 PM |
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This reads like the new random thoughts thread - healtcare it's definitely not.
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posted December 19, 2019 08:24 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
This reads like the new random thoughts thread - healtcare it's definitely not.
Noted.
Now on healthcare:
Make no mistake, almost no one is content with their health insurance, be it private or public. Private tends to be quite unaffordable, while public tends to be... of lower quality. Unfortunately, this is where the dissimilarities end. Long waiting times, copious amounts of paperwork, doctors abusing the system to accumulate wealth, pharmaceutical companies trying to push their mertchandise to more people using underhanded and dubious methods- these are just some of the aspects both systems share. Of course, this is to be expected, the two are primarily concerned with the way healthcare is financed and not the way it is applied.
Still, I think for a backwards country like the USA public healthcare would be the better solution as most of its citizens are too poor to afford a private one anyway.
On impeachment:
I found yesterday's 'debates' quite hilarious, but also very unsettling. Both sides were so preoccupied with spreading their pollitical propaganda that they failed to adress any of their opponents' (valid) points. It's really sad to see the way things have transpired. 'The world's greatest democracy' is no longer one, I'm afraid, and we only have its leading parties to blame.
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posted December 20, 2019 03:24 AM |
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CountBezuhoff said:
JollyJoker said:
This reads like the new random thoughts thread - healtcare it's definitely not.
Noted.
Now on healthcare:
Make no mistake, almost no one is content with their health insurance, be it private or public. Private tends to be quite unaffordable, while public tends to be... of lower quality. Unfortunately, this is where the dissimilarities end. Long waiting times, copious amounts of paperwork, doctors abusing the system to accumulate wealth, pharmaceutical companies trying to push their mertchandise to more people using underhanded and dubious methods- these are just some of the aspects both systems share. Of course, this is to be expected, the two are primarily concerned with the way healthcare is financed and not the way it is applied.
Still, I think for a backwards country like the USA public healthcare would be the better solution as most of its citizens are too poor to afford a private one anyway.
On impeachment:
I found yesterday's 'debates' quite hilarious, but also very unsettling. Both sides were so preoccupied with spreading their pollitical propaganda that they failed to adress any of their opponents' (valid) points. It's really sad to see the way things have transpired. 'The world's greatest democracy' is no longer one, I'm afraid, and we only have its leading parties to blame.
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I was actually happy with the way the Democrats handled it. There was the question of whether or not to bring up a longer list of charges but they just stuck with the two that mattered by far the most: blackmailing Ukraine for personal political gain and obstruction of justice. I don't think it would have been a good decision to use a longer list of the president's foibles and it would have sent the wrong message.
The GOP is defending their man strictly for survival reasons but 50 years from now people aren't going to look back and see Trump as a martyr. I don't think people will look at him as an infamous person either. I think he'll just be considered unstable and weird.
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posted December 20, 2019 03:37 AM |
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btw I'm not a registered Democrat or Republican and I really do attempt to see the GOPs point of view but the defense of Trump is just so weak. It's totally obvious that if a Democrat president did what Trump did, the GOP would be 100% comfortable to impeach for those reasons, but because it's their man on the line they won't. It's loyalty before ideals, which is just textbook corruption.
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posted December 20, 2019 04:16 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
It's loyalty before ideals, which is just textbook corruption.
Nailed it.
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Salamandre
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posted December 20, 2019 11:44 PM |
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Meh, you just listen all day to leftist media who builds fictions about "Trump did this or that" because they can't beat him the regular way. Then when it comes to produce proofs, nobody is at home. I say, put in prison Biden for being corrupt - and we have a video of that, unlike on Trump, where all you have is indirect guesses and "anonymous" sources. Even Pelosy refuses to handle the impeachment dossier to Senate as she knows they will just laugh. There is nothing inside which would validate such thing as destitution.
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posted December 21, 2019 03:31 AM |
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Sal... they have the transcripts and Trump confessed to what he did and then claimed what he did wasn't wrong (and for what it's worth I think he's being genuine... he's just so weird and out-of-touch with reality and confused).
What would you do if your president blackmailed another country for information on another major candidate in the election? Seriously. I know you like Trump but pretend it's somebody you don't like.
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posted December 21, 2019 06:40 AM |
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Salamandre said:
oh god, we had the bots issue, now more leftist cucks. HC is doomed and deserves to be impeached.
What was significantly leftist about his comments, Trump does tweet like a fourth grader, he did screw people over many times as a real estate guy and Republicans do try to get the majority. This denial of yours that Trump is not an anomaly but just another president and people who react to him must be doing so because they are brainwashed by “leftist” media, only because he was weasel enough to exploit the anti-immigration sentiment of people like you is starting to reach surreal levels.
And I don’t know about the French media but HC is certainly not some leftist shrine. You could say it was leaning towards the more progressive side back in its heyday but thanks to this spiteful attitude, most people got fed up and the ghost town we are left with is rather conservative.
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posted December 21, 2019 08:52 AM |
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Funny thing is that everybody's right - Trump is a hypocritical narcistic clown but also his opponents' last concern is the democracy, or the constitution or whatever conveyor slogan you like and are just trying to get rid of him. Given that the whole thing is doomed at the Senate unless more than a dozen elephants suddenly identify themselves as donkeys, it's quite obvious that the actual plan is to discredit Trump for the upcomming elections and nothing else. Just not sure why anybody thinks that this would bother him or his crew, given their everyday gaffes which they don't care about.
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posted December 21, 2019 08:58 AM |
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Guys, just because you hate a president, you can't remove him for that, sorry for you. Get real, keep voting then play the game.
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artu
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posted December 21, 2019 11:43 AM |
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But blizz already posted why he wastrying to be impeached and said he doesnt even deny it.
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posted December 21, 2019 11:54 AM |
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Who doesn't deny? In which galaxy?
So far we have a transcript where no quid pro quo could be proved, not even close (quote me the proof please). We have the second actor, the Ukraine president declaring there was no quid pro quo whatsoever, so what now?
On the other side we have Biden in a publicly available video bragging on how he will not release promised funds until a prosecutor (son of a b!tch) will be fired. And we learned that Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin was investigating on Burisma Holdings, a natural gas company, identified Hunter Biden as the recipient of over 3 millions dollars from the company.
If one must bring the corruption strawman, what about starting with Biden, but of course the media being leftist to the bones, they wouldn't start an investigation on that. Being candidate to the presidency is above the laws?
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