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posted December 21, 2019 07:32 PM |
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posted December 21, 2019 07:39 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Who doesn't deny? In which galaxy?
So far we have a transcript where no quid pro quo could be proved, not even close (quote me the proof please). We have the second actor, the Ukraine president declaring there was no quid pro quo whatsoever, so what now?
On the other side we have Biden in a [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY]publicly available[/url] video bragging on how he will not release promised funds until a prosecutor (son of a b!tch) will be fired. And we learned that Ukrainian prosecutor Viktor Shokin was investigating on Burisma Holdings, a natural gas company, identified Hunter Biden as the recipient of over 3 millions dollars from the company.
If one must bring the corruption strawman, what about starting with Biden, but of course the media being leftist to the bones, they wouldn't start an investigation on that. Being candidate to the presidency is above the laws?
If you are seriously based in France, according to your profile, why do you care
so much about American politics? Are you an expat? Did you vote? What do you
have to lose with Trump being removed from office?
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posted December 21, 2019 07:51 PM |
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The world with social media means that one world leader being elected provides a boost for other world leaders of similar stripes.
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posted December 21, 2019 08:10 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
The world with social media means that one world leader being elected provides a boost for other world leaders of similar stripes.
Social media -- Facebook, Twitter, Instagram -- broke society.
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posted December 21, 2019 09:53 PM |
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Sal I don't honestly know much about Biden because I haven't been paying attention to him and I don't like him as a candidate. That's a separate issue but Trump has already admitted to his own dirt on Twitter.
Again: Obama, Bush, Clinton, Papa Bush, any of them: they would have gotten impeached as well.
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posted December 21, 2019 10:23 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
What would you do if your president blackmailed another country for information on another major candidate in the election?
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Sal I don't honestly know much about Biden
Hum. So you know nothing about 90% of the affair but keep saying Trump did wrong. Excuse me but...
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posted December 21, 2019 10:32 PM |
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Okay so tell me... how does it relate to Trump blackmailing for information?
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posted December 21, 2019 10:44 PM |
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posted December 22, 2019 12:50 AM |
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posted December 22, 2019 01:16 AM |
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Neither Trump or Ukraine president - the only protagonists of that affair, admitted there was any blackmail - nor the transcript does that, your article is a bunch of speculations, fictions and ad hominem. Show me the tweet where Trump admits he blackmails the financial aid until investigation is started, there is none. If you click on the underlined link "Trump implicitly admitted it", it opens a tweet from a journalist at Vox, not a Trump's tweet, as you claimed.
Trump asked to investigate on Biden because Biden himself brags in a public video he blackmailed Ukraine until they fire a prosecutor which coincidentally was investigating on his son, Hunter Biden. This is what we usually call corruption.
Unlike you, I provided a link where Biden's blackmail is proven 100%. Yet you continue to ask what this has to do with Biden.
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posted December 22, 2019 02:29 AM |
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I will get back to you.
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posted December 23, 2019 09:05 PM |
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So?
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posted December 24, 2019 03:30 AM |
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Sorry I've been binging on Torment: Tides of Numenera. It's a pretty good game but the dialogue options are endless. After saying that I wouldn't drink Mountain Dew anymore I ended up drinking 2 bottles and now my sleep schedule is messed up for the holidays.
Okay I read the timeline about Hunter Biden and I don't understand at all what you are so worked up about. Joe Biden didn't do anything illegal or unethical while the VP. The US and EU had already wanted Viktor Shokin replaced for months because he wasn't doing much of anything. No doubt: it was a pretty stupid conflict of interest to have Hunter Biden working on the board of Burisma while his father was VP and handling talks in Ukraine, but that's not a crime and good luck trying to impeach somebody over it.
That being said Joe Biden is a boring candidate and I'd rather he wasn't running.
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posted December 24, 2019 01:03 PM |
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Nobody is trying to "impeach" Biden, that procedure is for presidents in function.
Trump asked for investigation over proved facts, which is nothing but what any objective press or justice department should have done, except that Biden being their chance to replace Trump, they looked away for all this time. Launching an investigation is not accusing someone neither, but trying to figure what happened.
The lie behind the affair is that Trump is being accused to hold big bucks aid unless an investigation on Biden is started. Which nobody could prove, there is no track of that, neither in the transcript or in Ukraine president understanding of the talk.
That you personally believe it is a bad action or behavior on Trump's side, that's up to you. I am only underlining that, unless someone indisputably proves Trump indeed blackmailed Ukraine for information in return, there is no destitution motive, thus no reason to jump accusing the whole republican senate of corruption. They do their job.
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The US and EU had already wanted Viktor Shokin replaced for months because he wasn't doing much of anything.
Well, here is the trick. We are already being accused by half the world of interfering by forcefully removing or assassinating political figures WE don't like from countries WE claim to help. That kind of explanation somehow gives you the feeling that Biden did nothing that we already didn't want, yet it is up to Ukrainian people to choose its prosecutors, any attempt to force their hand by holding the promised aid being unethical indeed. On one side you denounce the western imperialism while on the other side you support the core of it.
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posted December 24, 2019 02:17 PM |
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Okay, you are going all over the place.
I know what impeachment is. We were asking if Biden would hypothetically be impeached and the answer is no. He didn't do anything illegal or unethical. Shokin already wasn't doing his job. In fact, part of the reason Shokin was fired was because he _wasn't_ adequately investigating Burisma not the other way around.
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posted December 30, 2019 05:39 AM |
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Blizzardboy said:
I know what impeachment is.
But apparently not what the topic is.
It's healthcare, people. Please try to stick to it.
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posted January 24, 2020 05:51 PM |
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Edited by blob2 at 17:51, 24 Jan 2020.
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posted January 24, 2020 06:15 PM |
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Golden rule, repeat ad infinitum:
Avoid contact with all species with a better immune systeme than the human. "Avoid" includes "don't eat".
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posted January 24, 2020 07:15 PM |
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If we successfully exterminate all living beings but ourselves, we won't have to deal with such difficult situations.
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posted January 24, 2020 10:30 PM |
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It actually isn't difficult, really.
But fair enough, sounds like a plan.
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