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JollyJoker
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posted October 20, 2020 08:45 AM |
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Very reasonable. Really good points...
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Kipshasz
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posted October 20, 2020 09:01 AM |
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we were promised a epidemic on par with the Black Death of 14th century. where corpses would literally litter the streets.
but to be fair, New York got that, due to the great leadership the state has.
What we have in actuality is a dumbass version of a flu with a 90+ % survival rate.
and spreads in for example family gatherings, but not riots over a dead black junkie recidyvist.
the last "pandemic" was swine flu in 2009. lasted 2 weeks then everyone got over it.
@DD: do you work a physical job? and does caucescustan issued massive fines for not wearing a rag over your face, like they have here?
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posted October 20, 2020 10:00 AM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
If I don't WANT to wear a MASK on my face at all times when leaving home and they are forcing it on me, what do you call that, JJ?
So you're also philosophically opposed to pants, socks, underwear... really any kind of clothing of any kind, right? After all. It's all restricting, it all keeps in way too much heat, if you wear that sweater that grandma gave you for Christmas then it's itchy as hell...
Heck, "No shoes, No shirt, No service" was already fascism in action, am I right? Private businesses adding a mask restriction to access to their services, a mask restriction that near-universally ONLY applies within the interior of the business itself, is just the final straw in the oppressive regime. We're living in 1984 now, bois.
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posted October 20, 2020 10:03 AM |
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Very funny gnomes. You're going to have to try much harder if you want to bait me, though. 
Just for your information, I'm even forced to wear it outdoors where I live, because we're all gonna die of the flu if we're not "protected", right? Sounds really reasonable.
@Kip: Yes, to both questions. And I am supposed to feel really grateful to the state for looking out for me so I don't get the flu. I don't think I've ever witnessed anything more stupid.
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JollyJoker
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posted October 20, 2020 11:53 AM |
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I wonder how long it takes for you smart guys to actually realize that neither this or any other virus works that way that you either live or die, and that's that.
How bad a virus is, also depends on the number of people needing assistance in a hospital NOT to die.
Now, just to illustrate what that means, imagine a virus that no one dies from provided the 10% getting it really live-threateningly are provided with the necessary medical (and intensive) care.
What that basically means is, as long as the "pandemic" is halfway in check and everyone needing medical care getting it, all is good, and no one has to die.
If it gets out of control with too many people needing medical help at once to be treated, the number of dead will increase, which is what already happened in some cities and areas.
So that's what is behind it here. If you just let the thing run its course, the way it is currently, in a couple of weeks, you'll have thousands each day getting really, really sick and needing medical treatment in some hospital, crashing the system.
Of course, the more hospital beds and ICUs there are in any country, the more infected they can manage without things getting ugly. Couple of days ago, the Netherlands started again to transfer sick to Germany, relieving their own hospitals which would seem to be full ...
Then you have to consider what it generally means, when a have a virus that contagious with a good-sized part of infected becoming really sick - they can't work and will be on sick leave. Great for pupils if the teachers are sick, not so great for people needing help, when the help is sick...
There is more to it than just a "death rate". And even then - looking a Belgium, 11.5 mio people, 230.000 confirmed infected, 10.500 confirmed corona dead. A whopping 5% death rate. Not cool.
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posted October 20, 2020 12:12 PM |
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Call me when the fatality rate for cuckrona is 50% at least Jollysoy.
Other than that, it's an overblown flu variant. and the soy media is to be blamed for it for a large bit of it, as yet bleeping again, it created a panic over some spilled milk.
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posted October 20, 2020 12:29 PM |
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And another smart arse comment. With a fatality rate of 50% we'd be back in the stone age in no time.
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posted October 20, 2020 12:47 PM |
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we're already are in one with all the PC bull you soys propagate. with your constant temper tantrums and hissy fits.
No scratch that. Stone age was more lawful than the current bullcrap system which panders to the whiny crying "progressive", who got offended by an african lady on a pancake mix pack and other trivial crap. while we're on that, the "Uncle Ben's" brand needs to be canceled too, because it is racist to depict a nice looking african gentleman on a sauce jar. or something, I dunno, I can't be this racist on purpose, no matter how hard I try.
Imagine thinking that the phrase "sexual preference" is offensive.
How do you people even function?
Sorry for not buying into the narrarative that we're all gonna die from cuckrona and need not only dumbass rags on our faces, which do jack crap, and only proper surgical grade masks "work" to some degree at least, but soon the soymedia will pander for sterile plastic bubbles, or other idiotic means to "foight the voirus"
Whatever happened to the thing we have, called immunity? you know, the concept that our bodies have special cells and other means to fend off disease. or is it some outdated racist patriarchal dogmatic quasiscience now?
Or does cuckrona has similarities to AIDS, which kills off that completely?
And to boot, didn't you people "joked" about needing a new plague or so, because muh overcrowding?
Well you got one, too bad it has the same survival rate as the common flu.
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posted October 20, 2020 01:20 PM |
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Well, it did change the world, one way or another. Economically, mentally and in terms of entertainment access.
In Poland there is currently a huge problem with medical care, because all "hands on deck" philosophy of our government who did jack s*it last couple of months, while everybody and their grandma told them that there will be a huge second wave in Fall. Oh did I mention that when we had presidential elections our minister said "scr*w coronavirus, get out of your homes"?
This is how driveways to our emergency rooms look like now in bigger cities:
As often as I disagree with JollyJoker, I gotta give him this much that coronavirus, whatever its survival rate and even if it really is just an overblown flu (although I already have a few people that I know who are going through it very hard), is a huge problem for civil medical care, especially if you have such a dumpster fire in this sector like in Poland. And you still need to take care of patients with "non-corona" illnesses.
You see in our country from time immemorial the medical sector is the enemy of state, plus unmanned, underpaid, frustrated, drenched in so much bureaucracy, scams and scandals (well, probably like in every other post-ism country) that we lost count at this point. And ofc universally hated by the common folk cus "all doctors be like imma rich, greedy, corrupted snow".
To add to the frustration our government openly and publicly criticizes them (that they are running away from responsibility, yep we are probably the only country where the majority doesn't even thank them for their work nowadays), not long after they raised the sentence for medical errors to 8 years at minimum... to remind you non-specialists in pulmonology need to be trained in operating the "Corona" machinery like respirators, which normally takes a few months, time which was wasted in summer. And patients who lost their loved ones can sue them based on that.
We are already adapting stadiums for field hospitals, doing wild round-ups for doctors and some idiots even suggesting to bring back doctors that emigrated from our country over the years (guess why?) cus they owe it to their country. Yep, with a high count of daily cases, specialist already say its a catastrophe at this point, and the worst is still before us... in terms of system incapacity.
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posted October 20, 2020 01:51 PM |
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blob2 said:
whatever its survival rate and even if it really is just an overblown flu (although I already have a few people that I know who are going through it very hard), is a huge problem for civil medical care
This is really the only thing about it making it an emergency.
All the arguing on civil responsibility, masks and what not is just diverting the attention from the big issue. This pandemic was luckily not the second coming of the black plague, but what if it was?
Twenty years of healthcare cuts, guidelines limiting the access of medical degrees, the rampant clientelism of academical environments and the lack of production capacity of medical equipment.
We needed a pandemic to now have a more proper coverage of ICUs for our population here in Sicily, which is still under the real safety net for regular times, let alone a pandemic. All across the EU, nations didn't plan out an advance response to a pandemic threat, they didn't stock up, and offload the responsibility to others.
This is why I complain that the narrative shifted from "let's not overload hospitals" to "nobody has to get infected", which led to a capacity overload of laboratories here and of first care departments due to infected people with very mild symptoms.
This is honestly looking worse than March and April not rather due to the risk of having bodies in the street, but because the panic is more alive than ever and risks cutting off those who really need the hospital care.
I don't know what other states did during these 7 months to prepare themselves, but one thing is certain, Italy's new response was concocted in September, and that is a severe responsibility that they're trying to hide.
It's funny when people complain when it's compared to a flu, 2018's flu was especially deadly, and should I remind people of the Spanish flu? The difference is that we know how to treat the flu, and unless there's some aggressive strain, we don't care that a large portion of the population gets the mild symptoms. If the healthcare system couldn't handle a flu season, it'd be an emergency just like this one.
You simply don't see the flu as a threat, that's the thing, and that goes to both sides.
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posted October 20, 2020 01:59 PM |
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There is another difference between this and the flu. People with the flu, when they are contagious, they have visible symptons - and vice versa, which means, when they are contagious, they feel sick and keep at home, or everyone sees they are and gives them wide berth.
Not so with this one, which is contagious before people are actually get symptoms (not to mention those who don't get none).
Which makes it very contagious in practise, which is also the reason for the high amount of testing.
A lethality of 1% is something acceptable when the "pandemic" will be limited to 1% of the population without the necessity to do anything.
It looks a lot different when the pandemic will infect everyone in no time if not hindered.
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posted October 20, 2020 03:10 PM |
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Very mild flu symptoms aren't really something that keep people at home, while admittedly covid does have a larger transmission rate, there's also the thing that the flu has well established treatments, and vaccines available. The really scandalous thing was people catching covid from hospitals for example, which in theory doesn't happen with the flu due to mandatory prophylactic guidelines of staff.
Some people go to work or school with fevers anyway, always funny for someone like me that would jump at the chance to skip something.
It's obvious they're not the same thing, but it's more comparable to the flu than other transmissible diseases.
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posted October 20, 2020 03:42 PM |
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Soyhammer 2K20.
Edit: I'm with Kip and Drakon-deus on this one.
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posted October 20, 2020 05:15 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
It looks a lot different when the pandemic will infect everyone in no time if not hindered.
Reminds me of Manaus, capital of Amazonas. It had the worst initial spread in the country, a lot of death due the local health infrastrutucture collapse, people being unable to be buried, well, overwhelming for that location. And before anyone comes with some stupid remark of that's something media wants to show and all that tosh, no, I have friends there, some are medics and health professionals and they had hell raining there. It could be itches, for all they care, but if the insfrastruture collapses, even highcoughing will kill someone.
The infectious spreading has decreased dramatically last weeks, however. They estimate 60% of the population has already been exposed and infected (it's a 1,8 million people city), so the virus is running out of people to infect, and it's being mitigated. Although it's an 'effective' tool against spreading, it came with a cost and it was not a planned cost, but just highlighted the tons of problems my country has in that regard.
Also, it was problematic letting it spread there, because it ended up resulting in the spread amidst native indian tribes throughout Amazon (and then the rest of the country), and they are not as resilient as other color people. Their death rate is 150% greater than everyone else, and 84% more prone for infections. 158 of the 306 accounted indian tribes in Brazil are affected today.
As people here already observed, this disease is annoying because it's difficult to identify and track down, and it does not seem to have a pattern. Sometimes it just skips someone, then gets another one, like a lot of other illnesses. Sometimes a sibling has no symptoms, while the other is almost dying at the hospital. My step-mother's daughter lost her husband and her father-in-law, following a procedure the government enacted that you should just seek medical assistance if you've shown a collection of symptoms. Well, they took a while to seek, and died. Meanwhile, one of my closest friends here is a nurse, got the virus, no symptoms and her husband and son did not get it.
I, particularly, didn't see the virus itself as a great threat to me, I even got infected but with no symptoms. However, I do not discount the care other people are taking to protect themselves and their families, for I earn my respect by learning respecting others as well. My (un)concerns or beliefs should not jeopardize them, or so my reasoning dictates. So, yes, I am annoyed with masks, but it does not cost me anything to wear it. Yes, we need to wear it as soon as we set foor outside our doors, but I already got used to it. Need to wear it while training at the gym, but that's rule for any stabilishment here and I would hate to see it closed because someone broke the rules. The impact of doing it for the sake of the others transcends the impact it does on me. I always had this paladin-like self-guidance.
In the end, the situation is very personal, and each person judges what's best for themselves and it might not be fair to jugde others, especially when we all live in so many different places, different levels of education, beliefs and agenda. However, as long as someone is in a circle of other people and wish to remain so, at least in balance, all factors must be considered. But if someone makes a decision and bad things come from it, that person must answer for it. And that's true for all this pandemic situation, or when someone thinks booze is fun (until someone gets hurt), or smoking all your life on the face of your kids until they get sick. These are all references, of things that we often do, some of them harmful for ourselves and others, but we do not care that much because ... why again? Each one has their own answer for that as I chose mine.
I just hope this virus will get mitigated in the next few years, hopefully before another major pandemic breaks out. At least, by then, governments will have no excuse to say that they had no experience or precedent as to plan from, and citizens will not suffer as much, regardless the level of danger the virus itself poses; because population will also have learned how to behave, or answer for it if they don't.
Right now, it poses a real threat to the health system. Which is what people must be aware of. And if we can help others not to face that situation, I think it's worth the effort and try to do something about it.
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posted October 20, 2020 06:56 PM |
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Yeah, despite my optimistic view and no panic mindset, I am trying my hardest not to get infected, purely out of a fear of not showing any symptoms and then infecting my parents. I'm resisting the temptation of getting the contact trace app, because, let's be honest, I'm going to get traced anyway in the classroom and I'm not leaving my house anyway, plus, coverage here is so slim and healthcare doesn't even upload the data, so it's kinda useless as of now.
I'm probably also gonna stop attending classes in person after this week, I'm already taking a risk honestly.
Seriously, I'm more worried of some other spreading and then getting me through the entire hassle of going to get a test somewhere, and I don't have a car, which is going to be an even bigger problem than I anticipated.
This virus is a logistical nightmare.
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posted October 20, 2020 07:22 PM |
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not the virus itself, but the handling of it's spread..
Everyone is running around like headless chickhens.
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posted October 20, 2020 07:23 PM |
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PandaTar said:
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That was very well put PandaTar. One should read that to the people demonstrating in Berling and saying the virus is a hoax. 
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posted October 20, 2020 08:18 PM |
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It looks a lot different when the pandemic will infect everyone in no time if not hindered.
Like it has been hindered by something until now. But yeah, masks help, lockdowns help, curfews help, just don't ask too many questions about how exactly or try to put estimations like the one above in the same sentence as the alleged effectiveness of the measures.
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posted October 20, 2020 09:30 PM |
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It could be hindered, but keep in mind that some people just don't care which should be obvious if you look at aids.
The truth is, and you see that even now in this forum, is that people are barbarians when it comes to actually realizing stuff. People know about drugs and still get addicted, because wtf, and the same thing is happening here.
Just look at a certain Donald Trump and how his administration invites the virus to please come and get them.
Now. That said, it LOOKS like, if you live in a country with a low enough people versus squaremiles ratio, like, say, Sweden, you'll get a better result in the long run when you keep rules lax and few and let people feel like they are really responsible.
In any case it's all more than obvious. In spring everyone was afraid and followed rules with good results. Then a lot of people got fed up and bored and in screw-you mode.
All very obvious.
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posted October 20, 2020 09:58 PM |
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oh yes, I'm sure Donnie Stacks ordered NY governor Cuomo to put cuckrona patients in nursing homes, spiking the deaths in new york.
Grow the bleep up jollysoy.
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