phoenix4ever said:

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This would be my list:
Castle: Maybe.
Rampart: No.
Tower: Yes.
Inferno: No.
Necropolis: No.
Dungeon: Maybe.
Stronghold: Maybe.
Fortress: No.
Conflux: No. (Storm and Ice Elementals takes double damage from certain spells and can't be resurrected.)
Cove: Maybe.

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phoenix4ever said:

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You guys are more positive towards Archery than I thought.
I mean it's not a bad skill, but often I can't really fit Archery on a main hero, there are simply more important skills to take.
I mean if I had a 10 skill limit, I would probably choose it more often, more not so much currently. I consider Offense and Armorer way more important combat skills.
Of course if I get the Golden Bow early, with at least two decent shooters, that might change my mind.

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phoenix4ever said:

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You guys are more positive towards Archery than I thought.
I mean it's not a bad skill, but often I can't really fit Archery on a main hero, there are simply more important skills to take.
I mean if I had a 10 skill limit, I would probably choose it more often, more not so much currently. I consider Offense and Armorer way more important combat skills.
Of course if I get the Golden Bow early, with at least two decent shooters, that might change my mind.

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Hourglass said:

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I'm really really waiting Hota to make some of the worse skills meaningful.

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gatecrasher said:

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Why would this depend that much on your starting town? What kind of games do you play where your army is predominantly comprised of troops from your starting town?

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FirePaladin said:

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Random maps, maps, etc. I usually play long maps, because short maps are... short. And usually I don't want to "switch" factions when I play with another faction. That doesn't mean I don't take some of their units in my main army, or that I create secondary armies with them.

But let's be honest, you're almost always gonna take troops from the starting town, because it was upgraded before any other town and you already have more of them (or because you like it more too, in my case, since I play to relax).

And especially if you start with Tower (which I usually do), you will want Archery as fast as possible, since it's also relatively easy to find bonus dmg artifacts and even assemble S. Bow, with some luck. And really, to partially answer your question, who would not take Archery when they have the possibility to buy tier 7 Titans, Archmagi and eventually shooters from other towns?

Now I'm the one who wonders what kind of games you play.

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Hourglass said:

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FirePaladin said:

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Random maps, maps, etc. I usually play long maps, because short maps are... short. And usually I don't want to "switch" factions when I play with another faction. That doesn't mean I don't take some of their units in my main army, or that I create secondary armies with them.

But let's be honest, you're almost always gonna take troops from the starting town, because it was upgraded before any other town and you already have more of them (or because you like it more too, in my case, since I play to relax).

And especially if you start with Tower (which I usually do), you will want Archery as fast as possible, since it's also relatively easy to find bonus dmg artifacts and even assemble S. Bow, with some luck. And really, to partially answer your question, who would not take Archery when they have the possibility to buy tier 7 Titans, Archmagi and eventually shooters from other towns?

Now I'm the one who wonders what kind of games you play.

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Well, for example in MP games, your army will mostly consist on Wyverns, Angels, Cyclopses, Giants, Firebirds and possibly units that you've received from boxes. In most popular templates(Jebus family templates), you may build some dwellings, if you manage to find and capture some external dwellings of the same creature as well. This is because the games tend to last a bit over 7 days/turns, so you will maybe receive " extra reinforcements" twice in the game - once you brought the dwelling and then at the second week, if you want. Mainly the units from your town are used for meat shields so your actual army would take as minimal loses as possible. It's not rare to see archers used "only" as one-stacks.

Therefore, skill such as Archery is not actually that good for Tower for example. Mages are rarely build because there's simply no time, so only Master gremlins can really utilize it, and they become obsolete quite fast.

So if you would get Archery soon, it would be good for towns that can utilize their early game shooters as a power stack: Castle, Rampart, Tower, Inferno, Conflux, Cove and maybe Dungeon, if your really stretch it.

For late game, your original shooters are quite likely dead or abandoned, so the Archery is mostly good for only your cyclopses, but that sometimes is your main power stack, so Archery can still be viable in the end as well.

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phoenix4ever said:

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My maps, with my rules, last at least 4-5 months, so it's all a matter of perspective I guess.  

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FirePaladin said:

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But this is only for short templates like Jebus and MP... In the maps I play, I can develop my first towns fully. And I also mentioned that it's good for large maps, not little maps or little templates where you just rush as best as you can and don't even experience the full game.

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FirePaladin said:

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And what? Is late game week 3? That's still late early game for me. I'd rather play a big satisfying map instead (but not too easy either. It doesn't mean it's easy if it's big).

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