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Heroes Community > Heroes 7+ Altar of Wishes > Thread: Lore: Ideal universe
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Dj
Dj


Promising
Supreme Hero
Always loyal to HC
posted July 02, 2020 10:55 AM

Poll Question:
Lore: Ideal universe

Hello, guys!

For some of us, lore is a very important part of the game. We need to know why, how, where from etc. of every little detail of the game. It's part of entertainment and it activates our imagination.

My question is, if there was to be a new Heroes game, what universe would you like for it to be in and why ?


a) Ancient Universe, picking up the story from HoMM 4 - WoW

b) Ashan Universe, continuing the story from MM:H7

c) Both Universes, finding a way to fuse the universes into one (taking copyright issues into account)

d) New Universe, restarting the story in a fresh new universe altogether.

+ if you're up to the task, what story elements would you like to see and what would be your ideal setting  (focus on characters, focus on wars, focus on Gods etc.)

Also, how does the idea of the player leaving a mark on the story sound to you?





Responses:
Ancient Universe
Ashan Universe
Both Universes
New Universe
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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted July 02, 2020 11:13 AM

Urgh, needs an option to ignore 4, and just pick up from 3, even if it's on another continent than Enroth or Erathia.

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Dj
Dj


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Always loyal to HC
posted July 02, 2020 11:46 AM

Both Enroth and Axeoth are part of the Ancient universe. Im sure that there is a fine way to continue the story on both planets (even a 3rd planet is an option).

The problem is with the copyright matter, which i thought of only in the Ashan Universe case, but it applies to the Ancient universe too.

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monere
monere


Supreme Hero
posted July 02, 2020 12:42 PM

I voted "new universe" but don't care about my opinion cause I'm not familiar with the lore / universe aspect of HoMM, nor have I ever cared about it.

I just voted for the fun of it
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Dj
Dj


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posted July 02, 2020 12:52 PM
Edited by Dj at 12:53, 02 Jul 2020.

Any opinion matters. Thank you!

So far, i see total expulsion of Ashan. Basically, the community prefers a new universe than to use Ashan haha.

Let's see how it goes further.

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Zydar
Zydar


Hired Hero
posted July 02, 2020 12:59 PM

Ancient Universe

Because HOMM game in M&M Universe, One of the greatest RPG, One of the unique Universe in Video Game
If we can make HOMM Geat Again, I would hope M&M shine again like ES,BG.
For me story is important as Fun Factor, make more connected into the game

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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


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posted July 02, 2020 01:25 PM

I voted for using the Ancient Universe but I wouldn't say no to a New Universe.

I don't know how many others would agree but I think it would be nice for the campaigns to focus more on the war aspect and on the diplomatic relations between the factions, with the player being a general in service to a ruler and commanding his/her armies, while also having the power to make decisions like taking specific quests in order to gain an alliance with another faction, and even to betray and change sides at a key point. And your decisions lead to different possible endings to the story. Kind of like what the original Heroes 2 campaigns of Roland and Archibald were like.

Sure, focusing on a specific character's story is also rich with possibilities but I prefer the approach that I described above.
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Jiriki9
Jiriki9


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posted July 02, 2020 03:58 PM

Dj said:
So far, i see total expulsion of Ashan. Basically, the community prefers a new universe than to use Ashan haha.


Well, it's no true news I think.
Ashan was never a community favorite, as far as I know. It was not really inspired, but neither was it TRULY fulfilling High Fantasy. It always felt a warhammer fantasy clone to me...

For new vs. old universe...I'd personally prefer a new one, because it would give new faction opportunities.

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Alon
Alon


Adventuring Hero
posted July 02, 2020 06:58 PM

I voted new universe on the assumption it's a fan-made game or an indie inspired by Heroes without being literal H8 (hi, Songs of Conquest). If somehow Ubi goes back into it and makes H8 then I'm not sure.
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Baronus
Baronus


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posted July 02, 2020 09:09 PM

I think that best is HIII and HIV universe. Both can be joined. Destruction of Antagarich must be cancelled. It was stupid. We must accept that old planet was destroyed only partially not whole. And after catastrophe all was rebuilt!
I see new great story!
Restoration of Erathia!
After great cataclysm queen Catherine faced a challenge to restore kingdom!
Next story is to whats going on in second continent Enroth.
Third story Jadame!
I see new 3 HOMM games and 3 MM! Gigantic chaos... A lot of ruins and monsters!
Next they must find gate to Axeoth!
I see next HOMM and MM games! Especially better MMIX!
There is a lot to work :0))) All needs heroes! World must be saved!

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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted July 02, 2020 09:36 PM
Edited by MattII at 21:40, 02 Jul 2020.

Dj said:
Both Enroth and Axeoth are part of the Ancient universe. Im sure that there is a fine way to continue the story on both planets (even a 3rd planet is an option).
Heroes 4 effectively destroys Enroth though, so no, needs to be a distinction. Still, going for Ancient Universe.

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Rimgrabber
Rimgrabber


Known Hero
It's a fixer-upper
posted July 02, 2020 09:52 PM

I've always been kind of stuck between both universes because I grew up with H5 and loving the Ashan characters. It was the first game I ever really played and the first universe that introduced me to my love of fantasy. But I can recognize that its a mess, especially after MMH6 and onward. The old universe is definitely more unique, and while I'm generally not a huge fan of sci-fi it blends the 2 genres together very nicely. I'd like to see them combined with the explanation that Ashan is just another one of the Ancients' planets and the "dragon gods" are just really powerful elementals trolling the inhabitants.

I think a new universe is probably for the best though. It can utilize characters from both timelines and blend them together in a way that doesn't feel awkward and forced, and it gives total freedom over what factions can be included.
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Valen-Teen
Valen-Teen


Famous Hero
UFOlolOgist
posted July 02, 2020 10:47 PM

Folk, stop poking the corpse of old universe and hating Ashan lore.
We really need new one to forget about comparing between them.

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Elvin
Elvin


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Omnipresent Hero
What if Elvin was female?
posted July 03, 2020 07:43 AM

Irrelevant. The real question is whether you'd rather see the old universe butchered or more innovations(Ashan or otherwise) like creepy doll mimes, spider imagery, soccer uniform teams, one wyvern for each element and the like. It's not a matter of liking or disliking change, just the wrong team for the series.


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frostymuaddib
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posted July 04, 2020 11:35 AM

I'd go for universe of competent writers and designers. Competent people could make good stories even in Ashan (with some necessary retcons, of course), and, dare I say, they could make it interesting universe.  

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted July 04, 2020 11:51 AM

That's quite the challenge there frosty
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frostymuaddib
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育碧是白痴
posted July 04, 2020 12:54 PM

I know But I still stand behind my words

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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted July 04, 2020 01:42 PM

Not really a big challenge, unless you're looking specifically at Ubisoft.

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Alon
Alon


Adventuring Hero
posted July 04, 2020 06:02 PM

The broader challenge is weaving multiple factions' stories well; H3, for example, just tells a castle story and to some extent a necropolis story.
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MattII
MattII


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posted July 05, 2020 11:44 PM

Alon said:
The broader challenge is weaving multiple factions' stories well; H3, for example, just tells a castle story and to some extent a necropolis story.
There's side campaigns for the other factions too though. Also, unlike in Heroes 5, Heroes 3 isn't about everybody dog-piling Inferno, but different factions having their own goals.

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