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bloodsucker 
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posted July 22, 2020 05:09 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 21:59, 27 Jul 2020.
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Talking About Freedom from Religion
Since it looks like the lion's food won't stop polluting these pages, I decided to open a thread where the free people of this community can post their enlightened opinions about them and other thought enslaved people.
For a start I will purpose some links but feel free to share your own thoughts, if you like.
“The only position that leaves me with no cognitive dissonance is atheism. It is not a creed. Death is certain, replacing both the siren-song of Paradise and the dread of Hell. Life on this earth, with all its mystery and beauty and pain, is then to be lived far more intensely: we stumble and get up, we are sad, confident, insecure, feel loneliness and joy and love. There is nothing more; but I want nothing more.”
Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Infidel
The Evolution of Confusion
The God Delusion
Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Sam Harris & Ayaan Hirsi Ali Debate
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Drakon-Deus
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posted July 22, 2020 05:16 PM |
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What's there to talk about? You're free to believe there are no gods and no afterlife, and I respect your opinions. In fact, I guess I can get along better with atheists than with Catholics. 
But if you were hoping for another pointless debate thread, you can count me out. 
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Blizzardboy
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posted July 22, 2020 05:18 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
In fact, I guess I can get along better with atheists than with Catholics.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 22, 2020 05:26 PM |
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I would call myself an Agnostic, although I like to believe that the God of the Bible is pure fiction.
I simply think that if there is an afterlife I'll know it when my life is over, and if there is no afterlife I will never know it, because I will cease to exist, so there simply is no reason to think about it in life.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted July 22, 2020 05:28 PM |
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At least as an atheist you're allowed to think on your own and not follow doctrine decided by someone else.
And don't take it personally, Blizz. I have many differences of opinion with the Orthodox and with some of the Protestants too.
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Blizzardboy
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posted July 22, 2020 05:34 PM |
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Orthodox and Catholics are pretty much identical though in our thought-enslaved systems. The separation is a result of in-fighting among aristocrats. Tragic, but not unsolvable.
Edit: I'm sorry for the brief thread derailment. I'm going now.
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posted July 22, 2020 08:05 PM |
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@bloodsucker
Btw, I think you meant to say 'freedom from religion' instead of 'freedom of religion'. Unless it was a Freudian slip and you're in the closet about your desire to become Pope.
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bloodsucker
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posted July 22, 2020 08:29 PM |
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Blizzardboy said:
you're in the closet about your desire to become Pope.
I am absolutely not in the closet about my desire to trash Christianity and the Roman Church and becoming a pope would be the most effective way of doing it, so I wouldn't consider it a freudian slip but yeah! that was a typo.
There is an organization with that name that I wanted to call the attention for.
Another very important one, since I believe this is a problem for most midley intelligent ministers is: The Clergy Project
Thanks for pointing that out.
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posted July 25, 2020 09:02 PM |
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I planned to buy The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, and Atheism: A Very Short Introduction. A true book like/than Dawkins is garbage. A true atheist read the Bible and only denied the truth. He's strong. And Dawkins is a neoatheist. A very weak he showed the Bible verses. How? He didn't understand. So he thought beaten the opponent in debate. People laugh him. So I recómmend you buy a true atheist book, what I planned to buy books. Then you get strong spirit.
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bloodsucker
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posted July 25, 2020 09:54 PM |
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Ieh! I got richer from opening this thread. I knew nothing about these two books that are now in my To Read list.
Thanks, Ghost.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 25, 2020 10:09 PM |
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Why would we need books about atheism? The concept is actually pretty simple and easy to understand.
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Baronus
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posted July 27, 2020 10:23 PM |
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Edited by Baronus at 22:25, 27 Jul 2020.
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Baronus
We have a lot of kinds of atheisms! Its not one thinking!
I can only talk that freedom from God is logically freedom from freedom because God created freedom and is no freedom without Him. So only logical result is captivity. As mathematic teach and english language to two contradiction disabling itselves.
Freedom is only in God.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 27, 2020 11:05 PM |
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Look. We talk about religion. This isn't the realm of KNOWLEDGE. It's the realm called FAITH. You have faith that this being called God, as described in the Bible, exists, and exists as described there. Others, me among them do not have that faith.
Faith hasn't got anything to do with logic. Or mathematics. I won't start an argument, like, no, God doesn't exist. If you have faith, fine, why would I argue against that.
But if you want to be taken serious stop pretending that all that stuff based on nothing but faith was fact. Please.
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posted July 28, 2020 09:09 AM |
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every religion is ok, except for all the christian protestant sects, esspecially "church" of England. those go on the pyre.
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Baronus
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posted July 28, 2020 10:42 PM |
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Ofcourse based truths of religions are dogmats are faith but rest is a logical consequence.
And we I tell about christianity. Because only word religion means nothing.
Religion of succes religion of money religion of health. So we must describe what religion we mean.
But political freedom is not faith. Its real state of society. Only free societes we have in countries which are christian! Only Church civilisation build free society. No freedom in other countries! Cast system woman lower status etc. So its mathematical knowledge that modern free society was born from christianity. So logicaly if you lost faith you los freedom.
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bloodsucker
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posted July 28, 2020 11:41 PM |
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Baronus said:
Freedom is only in God.
You mean there is no freedom? Cause your god certainly doesn't exist and if it existed it would only mean there is some delusional tyrannical egomaniac super being with too much power imposing his views on humans with the same legitimacy Trump has to squash Portland supporters.
I wish I had this man's eloquence but I don't, so here are my exact thoughts on the matter but putted in a way I could never do: Stephen Fry on God
This is freedom of thinking. This is freedom from despotism. This is freedom from religion.
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but rest is a logical consequence.
The logical consequence of a fallacy has to be a fallacy.
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So logicaly if you lost faith you los freedom.
I didn't lost my faith, it's only not in bad fiction.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 29, 2020 08:00 AM |
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Good find, Stephen Fry, because I'd do and say the same (and some more).
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Baronus
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posted July 29, 2020 12:34 PM |
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Tyrannical reality you mean is a satan. All satanic systems like communism nacism and other are tyrrany.
And now we see in USA next tyrany marxian mode because American lost faith they are in fact atheists. So they are losing freedom. Logic is logic.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 29, 2020 03:13 PM |
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They are Satanists, you mean.
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bloodsucker
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posted July 29, 2020 03:30 PM |
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Baronus said:
Logic is logic.
It is, that's why when you claim someone made the world as is, you can't claim someone else is culpable of all the injustice and cruelty in it. Specially if you also claim that fictional character is omnipotent.
I particularly like the way Christopher Hitchens puts his objections together.
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