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Thread: Who will be the next president of the United States ? This thread is 17 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 · «PREV / NEXT»
Zenofex
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posted August 14, 2020 08:34 PM

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Zenofex has been making posts of the sort since I joined HC in 2008. That was 12 years ago. He doesn't seem to care about the fact that he's constantly wrong. Don't let facts get in the way of feelings I suppose. If I was really bored I could go back and look for a few and post them for the lolz.


Eh? You're sure you know what you're talking about?

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Kipshasz
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posted August 14, 2020 09:01 PM

Blizzardboy said:
What is happening: I don't think Kip realized that libertarians are far right, and now he's pivoting instead of saying "my bad" because that would be a fate worse than death.


all that soy has really screwed up your text comprehension skills, hasn't it? The only ones to adhere to their core values (which are division and racism) in USA are the Democrats. and the supposed "party switch" that soys like to throw out is bullcrap.

also, wanting to legitimise drugs and other crap like this is "far right"? Last I checked far right is rather authorative and has a strict stance on drugs, at least in it's core classical concepts. The typical "strong family - strong nation" type of propaganda, which even the bleeping Soviet Union, starting with Stalin, partook in. drugs, as one 4chan ebonyposter philosophised, is the ultimate "blue pill" if we refer to the slang of cuck-right(alt-right), which some of you soy based brainlets think I'm part of. usage of them is counterproductive in majority of the cases. A stoned nation is a weak nation.

Not looking at Europe's chief destructors, the germans and their 1933-1945 continent wide dumpster fire of fail, because that isn't really far right what the failed painter envisioned. except for some small bits here and there.

And yes, I'm aware militaries used to and are still feeding the goons with amphetamines and other garbage so that the mouthbreathers stay sharp or performs better in combat. still doesn't make it better or an argument for "legalisation"
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posted August 14, 2020 09:11 PM

Zenofex said:
Eh? You're sure you know what you're talking about?
What do you think?
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posted August 14, 2020 09:57 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 22:16, 14 Aug 2020.

I'll get these two posters out of the way first:

Baronus said:
Bliz are you blind whats happen around you? I know this blind in Russia 1917. We are strong! Nothing can happen. Its typical for falling empires. US sumpremacy goes to end. Game Over. US goverment dont controll his own big cities... ,Politicians' playing Big country boom!  games. Its your reality. Awake!


Okay. Thanks for the heads up.

Bloodsucker said:
I have nothing of substance to add to the thread but I follow Bliz around everywhere he goes and am still fuming about something he said 7 weeks ago What do you think?


You first. What do you think?

Also, harassing a man painting a slogan on his own property is racist.

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posted August 14, 2020 09:57 PM

Zenofex said:

Eh? You're sure you know what you're talking about?


That's you, remember? 2008-2020. Always sure.
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posted August 14, 2020 09:58 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 22:08, 14 Aug 2020.

Kipshasz said:
Blizzardboy said:
What is happening: I don't think Kip realized that libertarians are far right, and now he's pivoting instead of saying "my bad" because that would be a fate worse than death.


all that soy has really screwed up your text comprehension skills, hasn't it? The only ones to adhere to their core values (which are division and racism) in USA are the Democrats. and the supposed "party switch" that soys like to throw out is bullcrap.

also, wanting to legitimise drugs and other crap like this is "far right"? Last I checked far right is rather authorative and has a strict stance on drugs, at least in it's core classical concepts. The typical "strong family - strong nation" type of propaganda, which even the bleeping Soviet Union, starting with Stalin, partook in. drugs, as one 4chan ebonyposter philosophised, is the ultimate "blue pill" if we refer to the slang of cuck-right(alt-right), which some of you soy based brainlets think I'm part of. usage of them is counterproductive in majority of the cases. A stoned nation is a weak nation.

Not looking at Europe's chief destructors, the germans and their 1933-1945 continent wide dumpster fire of fail, because that isn't really far right what the failed painter envisioned. except for some small bits here and there.

And yes, I'm aware militaries used to and are still feeding the goons with amphetamines and other garbage so that the mouthbreathers stay sharp or performs better in combat. still doesn't make it better or an argument for "legalisation"


This is a long diatribe with very little substance. The libertarian party is a right-wing leaning party. My guess is that you were thinking of a very old context from the 19th century, not that you're ever going to admit to this but I'm assuming that's where you got the confusion from. Either that or you never knew in the first place.

Next question.
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posted August 14, 2020 10:14 PM

Kipshasz said:

also, wanting to legitimise drugs and other crap like this is "far right"? Last I checked far right is rather authorative and has a strict stance on drugs, at least in it's core classical concepts.
It's not far right, it's utterly meaningless. It's like being for men can wear skirts. And, if I'm not completely wrong, the main thing here is, that drugs are not federal business.
So ultimately it's a completely irrelevant and meaningless point. Besides, Göring was a morphine addict. Hitler took everything his personal "doctor" gave and injected him, and was consequently0 addicted to a ton of crap. All soldiers got speed.
The right is against "hippies" - that is, drugs that make you daydream. The rights is not against drugs that help the individual to function the way they are supposed to.

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posted August 14, 2020 10:15 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 22:16, 14 Aug 2020.

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The libertarian party is a right-wing leaning party.
You're right, libertarianism has to do with the free market and the laissez faire capitalism, a position traditionally held by the right. Liberals are right-wing, not leftists.
Any social-democratic party worth their name wants a strong intervenient government, so can't be considered libertarian.

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posted August 15, 2020 09:48 AM

Kipshasz said:
also, wanting to legitimise drugs and other crap like this is "far right"? Last I checked far right is rather authorative and has a strict stance on drugs, at least in it's core classical concepts. The typical "strong family - strong nation" type of propaganda, which even the bleeping Soviet Union, starting with Stalin, partook in.

Legitimating everything, including drugs is libertarian. Controlling everything, including drugs, is authoritarian. Neither is inherently left or right as that relates to economy. Stalinism is totalitarian left, about as far to authoritarian and left as you can go. National Socialism is totalitarian centre.

The division for left/right happens between uncontrolled economy(right) and controlled economy(left).  For the authoritarian/libertarian it's individual rights(libertarian) and collective responsibility(authoritarian).

Strong family - strong nation is conservative nationalism. Somewhat right and very authoritarian ideology. Most of them land somewhere between national socialism and thatcherism(which is somewhat authoritarian and very right).
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artu
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posted August 15, 2020 10:00 AM
Edited by artu at 10:21, 15 Aug 2020.

Left & right are used under two contexts, economic and cultural. When the terminology first emerged, it was about the ones who supported the king and the ones who stood against him. So basically, it was about conservative versus progressive, then French Revolution happened. When Marxism came, it defined the new left because its claim was that it was the future, it was progressive and it was the next revolution mankind needed. So, the term became more about state controlled economy and egalitarian welfare.

The American libertarians are basically defined by being against government control about almost everything. They think the goverment interferes too much, even in the U.S. So this puts them in right wing in an economical context and left wing in a cultural context.
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Zenofex
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posted August 15, 2020 10:22 AM

Blizzardboy said:

That's you, remember? 2008-2020. Always sure.

It seems I have memory gaps because I joined in 2010 and don't remember writing anything of that kind. Now, if you're calling your subconscious fears Zenofex, that would explain it.

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posted August 15, 2020 11:38 AM

I also dont remember a single time Zenofex predicting the downfall of U.S. I’d say you’re confusing him with another member but then again I cant recall any member who constatly predicts such a thing for years. The dooms day person would be fred but he’s usually ranting about how humanity is doomed, not predicting its day.
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posted August 15, 2020 12:05 PM

In fact far left communism is mix anarchy and tyrrany. Its horrible system but people living in communist countries knows it very good. Libertarianism is somalisation of country. As you see in present US. All can do what he want so freedom enemies make his dark forces as BLM antifa etc to end freedom. You must tolerate it because libertarianism. Nonsense.
So only wise system is monarchy but based on christian values. No other. No freedom for enemies of freedom. So correctly state must exterminate all satanist revolutionists psychopats to save freedom. Easy. Logicaly. As Bible said. If you want be wise you must read Bible.

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posted August 15, 2020 12:21 PM

Come to think of it the only right leaning libertarian is the crackpot John McAfee. the guy who made some antivirus software and tried to run for president of the US. now on the run from the feds for tac evasion or something. give him a follow on twitter, the guy is Alex Jones tier in terms of entertainment.
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posted August 15, 2020 12:35 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 12:46, 15 Aug 2020.

Baronus said:
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So only wise system is monarchy but based on christian values. No other. No freedom for enemies of freedom. So correctly state must exterminate all satanist revolutionists psychopats to save freedom. Easy. Logicaly. As Bible said. If you want be wise you must read Bible.


You realize the ancient Jews didn't have a monarch and this was discouraged; it only happened because the masses insisted on it.

It is true that dictatorships/fascism/communism etc. aren't necessarily oppressive in the sense that most people don't want it. All of these things can easily come about through popular support. Dictatorships are better aligned with human nature than any kind of legislature, or at least that always seems to be what forms once a society moves beyond small units of tribes. I think the Iroquois were the only group of tribes in the entire W. Hemisphere to have a kind of democratic system.  
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posted August 15, 2020 12:40 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 12:49, 15 Aug 2020.

Kipshasz said:
Come to think of it the only right leaning libertarian is the crackpot John McAfee.


And also all other libertarians.
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posted August 15, 2020 12:47 PM

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No freedom for enemies of freedom. So correctly state must exterminate all satanist revolutionists psychopats to save freedom.

So the Bible guy turns out a lunatic. How original!

@blizz
mvass was a libertarian, would you call him far-right? When I think of American far-right, I think of people like the KKK.
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posted August 15, 2020 12:52 PM
Edited by Blizzardboy at 13:00, 15 Aug 2020.

Libertarians want less government intervention on economics - which is what right-wing is - and they want less government intervention on social issues.

This is how the word has been used for a very long time. Mvass was roughly in the same league as Ayn Rand (so was I, at one point), so yeah, he's right-wing. For a couple years in late high school/undergrad in college I was a libertarian.
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posted August 15, 2020 01:00 PM
Edited by artu at 13:03, 15 Aug 2020.

As I said, left wing has economic and cultural subtexts. Marxism is about economy and social class, that’s why it’s idiotic to call things like gay rights etc. “cultural Marxism.” Left-wing politics is a broader term though, this is how wiki defines it:

“Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy. It typically involves a concern for those in society whom its adherents perceive as disadvantaged relative to others as well as a belief that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.”

Also check out: Left-libertarianism
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posted August 15, 2020 01:49 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 14:31, 15 Aug 2020.

I'm starting to believe this is going to be the next, next president. And I'm cheering for her.
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