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Rimgrabber
Rimgrabber


Famous Hero
It's a fixer-upper
posted October 30, 2020 02:30 AM
Edited by Rimgrabber at 02:43, 30 Oct 2020.

Regarding the faction-specific bonuses, that would probably be disabled, or at least optionally disabled, in multiplayer since it would give some classes an unfair boost on an already powerful set, or incentivize the use of an otherwise bad set for some classes, but for singleplayer I think it would be a fun way to enhance the RPG aspects of the game.

Def agree with H6 being a decent game in a vacuum. I get the urge to play it for nostalgia's sake every once and a while before I'm inevitably bored by how streamlined it is compared to 3 and 5. I even think 7 could have been a worthy successor (though probably not quite as good as 3 and 5) if they made the classes less repetitive and the random skill system better. I read in an interview with Marzhin that the next expansion pack was going to be about Godric and Cyrus helping Sanctuary fend off an invasion from mad king Oleg who was being controlled by Markal who in turn was being manipulated by Sandro. Aside from the fact that I have a soft spot for since Godric was this awesome knight to me when I was a little kid who became my reference point for other knights in fiction, he also said that they were going to utilize the feature that they had in the map editor where you could do alternate line-ups to "de-spiderfy" Necropolis since the spider cult was no longer in charge after the H7 Necro campaign.

After that, they were going to add Inferno and introduce Ignatius as a legacy character. Maybe we would have even gotten the alternate upgrades of H5, and alternate units for other factions besides Necro too. Alas, Ubi was snowty to us, the fans, underfunded their project, and put a developer with 0 TBS experience in charge. They brought it entirely on themselves, but the community and the series are the ones that suffered for it.


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veteran_player
veteran_player


Adventuring Hero
posted November 07, 2020 12:02 AM

Stronghold... Dungeon... Inferno...

I have been playing a lot of HoMM V over this past year; And let me tell you! - These are the weakest races! I cannot win any games! Of course, it is all on impossible; with the H5.5 mod; RC14.

The computer tricks you AND cheats you! Every time! The AI is almost devilish~! But I persist; nonetheless!

I am sorry about my political outburst, earlier... I am in-perfect!
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blob2
blob2


Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted February 01, 2021 10:10 AM

With remasters doing so well in recent years I wonder how things would look like if we hadn't had the lame Heroes HD made by Ubisoft, but sth more in the line of Age of Empires remakes...

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted February 01, 2021 10:53 AM

blob2 said:
With remasters doing so well in recent years I wonder how things would look like if we hadn't had the lame Heroes HD made by Ubisoft, but sth more in the line of Age of Empires remakes...


Had they made something like HotA in 3D I'm pretty sure it would have surpassed their own expectations.
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artu
artu


Promising
Undefeatable Hero
My BS sensor is tingling again
posted February 01, 2021 03:13 PM

3D isnt good for H3. The board game interface is much better + practical.
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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


Legendary Hero
Undorcover modder
posted February 01, 2021 03:47 PM

I once again ask you if you ever played Katauri's King's Bounty games.
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted February 02, 2021 10:20 AM

artu said:
3D isnt good for H3. The board game interface is much better + practical.


I agree 100%. But it does not kill the game either, otherwise H5 would not be as popular.
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blob2
blob2


Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted February 02, 2021 12:01 PM
Edited by blob2 at 12:01, 02 Feb 2021.

If you ask me I'm 100% behind a traditional 2D remaster. Upscaling models (but the actual thing, enchanted animation and such), add some mild graphical enchantments here and there, maybe tweak with town screens. But this would require a passionate team that would not only be respectful for the source material, but also creative in the process.  

Unfortunately Ubisoft completely snows on this intellectual property, this is what Greg Fulton thinks for instance (taken from the Fanstratics newsletter) and can be taken as reference:

Do you happen to know the situation with the HD release? Is there any chance whatsoever that an HD version of the full Heroes III Complete might ever appear?

As to the HD release, Ubisoft claims to have lost the original source code for the Armageddon's Blade expansion, hence the reason there is no HD version of Complete.  This does puzzle me.  If they let someone like myself, or David Mullich, rummage through their archives, we might be able to dig it up, but there's no guarantee.  Personally, I'd work something out with the guys who made VCMI, but as I just stated... if they could make reasonable money from it... only office politics or incompetence would prevent it.


I know it's a bit different when you own someone else's property and you want to cash in on it, but I would bet a treasure chest that many people even in Ubisoft played this game and should treat it with respect it deserves. I think if done right a lot of potential buyers would appear, you can still see a lot of nostalgia whenever someone comments on the game. They could even port it on consoles like Switch, why the hell not? Or maybe I live in a bauble and an idea that it would even sell is a pipe dream...

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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted February 02, 2021 12:06 PM

Galaad said:
artu said:
3D isnt good for H3. The board game interface is much better + practical.


I agree 100%. But it does not kill the game either, otherwise H5 would not be as popular.
Heroes 5 uses a 3D engine, Heroes 3 doesn't. In fact, I very much doubt the Heroes 3 engine could be adapted to use use a 3D system without completely rebuilding the game.

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


Legendary Hero
Undorcover modder
posted February 02, 2021 12:22 PM

Quote:
I think if done right a lot of potential buyers would appear, you can still see a lot of nostalgia whenever someone comments on the game.


So-called HD remake is constantly baiting such people even now. For Ubisoft, this whole thing has been a major success.

And about 3D, I personally think that in the HoMM franchise H6 has done it right for the most part (only that it didn't have 3D town screen, nor hexes). Everything is easy to understand, etc.

However, without very good design while remaking things such as battlefields (not sure what to comment on creatures and most of the other stuff, they were 3D from the beginning), I doubt HoMM3 could get a worthy 3D remake. And again, chances are crazily low it'd get the expansions in 'HD' to begin with. Oh, and a recommended, fixed camera in an H3-like angle would be necessary, one of the main things H5 and H6 lack (dunno if H7 is worth mentioning though).
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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted February 02, 2021 12:39 PM

@MattII

Yes, by that I meant completely rebuilding the game.
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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


Legendary Hero
Undorcover modder
posted February 02, 2021 12:46 PM

HoMM5 was made using HoMM3's engine, but perhaps redoing it from scratch could be easier.
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blob2
blob2


Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted February 02, 2021 12:51 PM
Edited by blob2 at 17:03, 02 Feb 2021.

I would hope for something like this: AoE2 remaster random meme video (pls move along, nothing to see here )

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Galaad
Galaad

Hero of Order
Li mort as morz, li vif as vis
posted February 02, 2021 02:18 PM

@blob

I'm unsure that's the link you intended to paste
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blob2
blob2


Undefeatable Hero
Blob-Ohmos the Second
posted February 02, 2021 05:00 PM
Edited by blob2 at 17:02, 02 Feb 2021.

Galaad said:
@blob

I'm unsure that's the link you intended to paste


Ha ha yeah, here's what I actually had in mind: the "intended" AoE2 remaster clip

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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted February 02, 2021 11:13 PM

FirePaladin said:
HoMM5 was made using HoMM3's engine, but perhaps redoing it from scratch could be easier.
HoMM5 used a modified version of Nival's Silent Storm engine, which has no connection at all to HoMM3.

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


Legendary Hero
Undorcover modder
posted February 03, 2021 12:00 AM

Dunno, afaIk Quantomas says that H5 is based on H3, and the guy has the source code too.
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MattII
MattII


Legendary Hero
posted February 03, 2021 01:09 AM

FirePaladin said:
Dunno, afaIk Quantomas says that H5 is based on H3, and the guy has the source code too.
'Based on' can mean a lot of things, although in this case I suspect it means a lot of the faction themes of H5 were, if not exactly the same as, then at least decidedly similar to those of H3.

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FirePaladin
FirePaladin


Legendary Hero
Undorcover modder
posted February 03, 2021 01:11 AM
Edited by FirePaladin at 01:17, 03 Feb 2021.

No, it's totally about the code in this case lol. I do know that H5's AI (what the guy is developing) is partially compatible with H3 to begin with.

Edit: I just found his post regarding that, I'll ss and share it here tomorrow if anything.
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MattII
MattII


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posted February 03, 2021 02:24 AM
Edited by MattII at 02:25, 03 Feb 2021.

FirePaladin said:
No, it's totally about the code in this case lol. I do know that H5's AI (what the guy is developing) is partially compatible with H3 to begin with.
It might be the AI, but it's certainly not the graphics engine. The HoMM3 engine is 2D, the HoMM5 one is 3D. I'm fairly certain the two aren't compatible.

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