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Gandalf196
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posted November 12, 2020 11:58 PM |
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fred79
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posted November 13, 2020 01:11 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 01:54, 13 Nov 2020.
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here is more information on election fraud in pa, where democrats unintentionally expose their fraud themselves with their OWN affidavits.
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What should have happened, by PA law:
1.canvassers can’t check mail-in or absentee ballots until the morning of Election Day.
2. must be handled securely, ballots in secrecy envelopes, etc.
3. no redos or curing allowed; vote in person if notified on Election Day that your ballot was invalid.
instead, what actually happened:
1. democrat party workers opened ballots before Election Day to notify voters of errors that needed to be cited, which is illegal.
2. local county officials let them cure the ballots to be counted, which is illegal.
3. a bunch of Biden voters signed affidavits about being contacted to cure their ballots illegally.
conclusion: at the very least these ballots are now invalid and should not be counted.
any of you reality deniers wanna challenge this?
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2020 11:01 AM |
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You guys still in your bubble?
Biden won Arizona as well and is at 290 now.
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posted November 13, 2020 11:05 AM |
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Galaad
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posted November 13, 2020 11:32 AM |
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The real internal issue in all this is... Whoever wins, the other side will 100% feel that the election was stolen from them. And the other side is like 50% of the country... It will be tough for either Biden or Trump.
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Salamandre
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posted November 13, 2020 11:44 AM |
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You mean like in the last 4 years, right?
The "fraud" narrative is 4 years old, not one week as they try to pretend. Now it's Sleepy Joe's turn to experience how it feels when half the country hates you.
Good that he has mainstream on his side, that will lessen the damage.
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2020 11:46 AM |
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I think, it will be only a minority of Trump/Republican voters who'll keep think that. In a recent poll only 3% claimed Trump had won the election.
I don't think Corribus' parents are such a special case. A big part will have simply voted "Republican" and accept the de facto result when it's official.
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Minion
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posted November 13, 2020 11:46 AM |
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Well yes the country will be torn apart, that is the legacy of Trump. Where other losers have admitted defeat to unify the country, he will milk his supporters for cash as long as he can. In case you didn't know Trump’s voter fraud lies are actually a fundraising scam! 60% of the money go to Trump to pay his debts and other expenses. Keep on donating boys, the self proclaim billionaire needs some moar dollahrs 
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2020 11:55 AM |
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Salamandre said:
You mean like in the last 4 years, right?
The "fraud" narrative is 4 years old, not one week as they try to pretend. Now it's Sleepy Joe's turn to experience how it feels when half the country hates you.
Good that he has mainstream on his side, that will lessen the damage.
Except that thos were true. I quote the wiki article dealing with the Senate Intelligence Committee on Russian Interference in the 2016 election:
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On April 21, 2020, the Senate Intelligence Committee released a unanimous, heavily redacted report reviewing the January 2017 intelligence community assessment on Russian interference. The committee felt that the assessment brought a "coherent and well-constructed intelligence basis for the case of unprecedented Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election", specifically that the interference was unprecedented in its "manner and aggressiveness". The Senate committee heard "specific intelligence reporting to support the assessment that Putin and the Russian Government demonstrated a preference for candidate Trump", and that Putin "approved and directed" the interference.
The committee praised the assessment as an "impressive accomplishment", noting that the assessment "reflects proper analytic tradecraft" despite a limited timeframe. The committee also stated that "interviews with those who drafted and prepared the ICA affirmed that analysts were under no political pressure to reach specific conclusions." A disagreement between the CIA and the NSA of the agencies' confidence level of Russia's preference for Trump "was reasonable, transparent, and openly debated among the agencies and analysts." Additionally, the committee found that the Steele dossier was not used by the assessment to "support any of its analytic judgments".
On August 17, 2020 the Republican-controlled Senate Intelligence Committee released the fifth and final volume of their 996-page report ending one of the United States "highest-profile congressional inquiries." The Committee report, which was based on three years of investigations, found that the Russian government had engaged in an "extensive campaign" to sabotage the election in favor of Trump, which included assistance from some members of Trump's own advisers. Volume 5 said the Trump administration had used "novel claims" of executive privilege to obstruct the inquiry. The report said that Trump's 2016 campaign staff were eager to accept Russia's help, however after the release of the report, acting Senate Intelligence Committee Chair Marco Rubio issued a statement stating the committee "found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election."
And it was TRUMP, who cried "fraud!", when they told him he had lost the public vote and ordered a commission to investigate for Democrat fraud.
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Galaad
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posted November 13, 2020 12:05 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 12:05, 13 Nov 2020.
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Minion said:
Well yes the country will be torn apart, that is the legacy of Trump.
I see, but the legacy of Obama was like the worse of all of the US foreign's policy history and, Biden was there taking active part in it. So while I'm not a Trump fan, I'm genuinely scared of what Biden will do on that field. And it's a field that affects the rest of the world not only the US...
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2020 12:08 PM |
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Salamandre
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posted November 13, 2020 12:12 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Except that thos were true. I quote the wiki article dealing with the Senate Intelligence Committee on Russian Interference in the 2016 election:
On April 21, 2020,
Look, I am no fan of the fraud thing, if Trump lost he should go away and learn from.
But you realize that you give as argument the result of a 4 years investigation, while in same time you consider peanuts any fraud claims no older than one week because it's the other side. Sounds fair to you?
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Galaad
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posted November 13, 2020 12:16 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
Huh?
First google search. Is TheGuardian an OK newspaper for you? Otherwise I can look out for another one...
And do not tell me the bombing only got terrorists... There is countless civilians deaths in this... It was showed on documentaries on mainstream channels (ARTE in France).
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Minion
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posted November 13, 2020 12:22 PM |
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Obama foreign policy was quite bad but to say it is worst of all on US history is a bit much, I'd put Bush as worse for example with the Iraq war and all.
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2020 12:26 PM |
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Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
Except that thos were true. I quote the wiki article dealing with the Senate Intelligence Committee on Russian Interference in the 2016 election:
On April 21, 2020,
Look, I am no fan of the fraud thing, if Trump lost he should go away and learn from.
But you realize that you give as argument the result of a 4 years investigation, while in same time you consider peanuts any fraud claims no older than one week because it's the other side. Sounds fair to you?
Yes. Because I hope YOU do realize that the investigation of an intervention of a foreign country into an election isn't quite the same thing as investigating the claim of "voter fraud" which can not only easily checked, but there is also no evidence for.
Note that I don't say they shouldn't investigate when there actually IS evidence, but look at the cartoon above.
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Galaad
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posted November 13, 2020 12:32 PM |
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Minion said:
I'd put Bush as worse for example with the Iraq war and all.
I know it's shocking, but no.
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2020 12:47 PM |
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Galaad said:
JollyJoker said:
Huh?
First google search. Is TheGuardian an OK newspaper for you? Otherwise I can look out for another one...
And do not tell me the bombing only got terrorists... There is countless civilians deaths in this... It was showed on documentaries on mainstream channels (ARTE in France).
The US have the tendency to continue their wars over a long period of time, and Obama inherited the US conflicts in 2008, that he hasn't started, but the Bushs.
Obama decreased the danger for the US soldiers, by increasing the amount of (unmanned) drone strikes, which is - and I admit this sounds heartless - the adequate strategy against what is mainly guerilla war resistance. It's basically the only alternative to leaving, if you don't want to risk the lives of your soldiers, sending THEM (into ambushs).
And the decision for just leaving isn't that clearly preferable. There is a lot of speculation about Trump using his remaining time to retreat from Afghanistan, and everyoe cries foulplay because that would mean the civil war in Afghanistan starting all over again.
Anyway - it's a thankless decision to make how to proceed with an inherited war, and I don't think there are many options against fanatical and determined opponents. Civilians are always hostages in any armed conflict, especially when guerillas and terror is involved.
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Galaad
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posted November 13, 2020 12:54 PM |
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"Increasing bombing is the adequate strategy", fair enough as your opinion. I obviously disagree but I don't have the time to post more than one liners nowadays...
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Minion
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posted November 13, 2020 01:42 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 13:46, 13 Nov 2020.
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@Galaad
During Mr Obama's eight years in office 1 878 drone strikes were carried out, according to researchers. By March of 2019 under Mr Trump in 3 years there have been 2 243 drone strikes.
In addition President Donald Trump has revoked a policy set by his predecessor requiring US intelligence officials to publish the number of civilians killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.
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posted November 13, 2020 01:52 PM |
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The big difference is that investigating collusion doesn't stop a president from being president. It just means there is an investigation. Also, there was probably more drama from Trump's hysterical response to the investigation than there was from the investigation itself, such as the obstruction of justice. During different times with a more normal president who doesn't have a borderline personality, it wouldn't have been able to be as big of a story, except in this case Trump fanned the flames at least as much as the media did.
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