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Blizzardboy
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posted November 13, 2020 01:57 PM |
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Minion
UAVs are an emerging technology though that will only get more dangerous. The military has almost 700 of them now. It isn't entirely fair to compare drone strikes from one president who started in 08 to a newer one, but yes, Trump taking away the alleged 'red tape' is scary.
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Galaad
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posted November 13, 2020 02:20 PM |
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Well these wars were started by Obama... He didn't get much choice than to continue... He already brought back some troops from Syria... In Afghanistan he couldn't do much there was already NATO down there and all...
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Minion
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posted November 13, 2020 02:50 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 14:57, 13 Nov 2020.
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It sounds a bit like making excuses for all other Presidents atrocities but Obama lol, but lets just agree to disagree.
Edit: @Blizz, yah I agree with you on that.
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Galaad
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posted November 13, 2020 03:08 PM |
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Oh I'm not making excuses for anyone... Neither for Bush nor Trump... I am just worried about what Biden will do but future will tell...
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posted November 13, 2020 03:14 PM |
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What wars did Obama start?
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Blizzardboy
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posted November 13, 2020 03:34 PM |
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For the past 30 years, Republican presidents and a Republican Congress do the wars and Democrats inherit them. I don't count Clinton because Serbia was more European-led and the war was already happening on its own. The only reason we didn't have another one in 2018 is because Trump ignored his cabinet.
There are legitimate reasons why pulling out is hard to do once you already have soldiers on the ground. Just look at ISIS. Obama was stuck between a rock and a hard place in 08 and Biden will have it easier.
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posted November 13, 2020 06:48 PM |
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Edited by artu at 21:18, 13 Nov 2020.
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Salamandre said:
JollyJoker said:
Except that thos were true. I quote the wiki article dealing with the Senate Intelligence Committee on Russian Interference in the 2016 election:
On April 21, 2020,
Look, I am no fan of the fraud thing, if Trump lost he should go away and learn from.
But you realize that you give as argument the result of a 4 years investigation, while in same time you consider peanuts any fraud claims no older than one week because it's the other side. Sounds fair to you?
The Russian interference wasnt about direct voter fraud. It was rather spreading fake news from fake social media accounts and so on, it was an attack of disinformation. So, there’s no need for a conspiracy that would require too many insiders involved, neither from government, nor from press.. And the investigation wouldnt have resulted in Trump leaving the office, fake news or not, he got the votes. There is a 4 episode mini-series, The Comey Rule, adapted from the book of the FBI Director in charge of the investigations during those days. It’s quite insightful. I suggest everone to spend a night over watching it.
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posted November 13, 2020 06:50 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
What wars did Obama start?
Libya, which destroyed the country, making it go from the highest developed country in Africa to a warzone with slave markets.
That and his administration got us involved in supporting Saudi Arabia's genocide in Yemen.
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2020 07:31 PM |
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Not true.
In case of Libya Obama was following a resolution of the UNSC, backing it (with action).
The US SUPPORTED SA's intervention (very probably due to the fact that Bush senior has been tying the US and SA pretty close), but at the end of Obama's presidency relations between US and SA were worse than ever since Bush sr., for a couple of reasons.
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Galaad
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posted November 13, 2020 08:15 PM |
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Here is most of the stuff Obama did, list is very long and everything is sourced.
@Blizz : Except for the stuff the Reps inherited from the Dems... It goes both ways.
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Minion
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posted November 13, 2020 08:29 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 20:40, 13 Nov 2020.
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This is pretty ridiculous, first Galaad uses the increase in drone strikes to make Obama look bad compared to Bush. Fair enough so I give him that. That is logical. But when I point out that Trump has increased the strikes by more than 400% now suddenly it doesn't matter anymore, although it was used as an example before. Now his hands were tied because the badness of Obama has ruined his presidency also, lol.
That is so biased I can't even....
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2020 08:40 PM |
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And the source is foolish. Just take wiki.
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Salamandre
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posted November 13, 2020 09:06 PM |
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yeah, is not like Trump had to deal and bomb Isis in first place, right?
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Minion
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posted November 13, 2020 09:09 PM |
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Edited by Minion at 21:10, 13 Nov 2020.
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Trump had to deal with the 5% that was left of ISIS.
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posted November 13, 2020 09:20 PM |
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i've already addressed the "russian collusion" bs repeatedly... snow it. bs after bs, and you still argue like anything you people say is valid, while denying FACTS. i'm out.
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Minion
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posted November 13, 2020 09:24 PM |
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Keep donating to Donald  Make sure he gets half of your income at least, he needs it more than you do 
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JollyJoker
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posted November 13, 2020 09:24 PM |
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Galaad
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posted November 13, 2020 09:27 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 21:32, 13 Nov 2020.
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I am not "trying to make Obama look bad", I just explain why I think he's bad, and by extension explain why I am not optimistic at all about Biden. I am not saying that to defend Trump, I am saying that because I am genuinely concerned about what will come next. And everyone is biased a way or another. 
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And the source is foolish. Just take wiki.
Most of the sources quoted there come from mainstream medias including some like NBC news, Fox News or New York Times...
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posted November 13, 2020 09:35 PM |
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Censorship, I tell you!!! No more - no less!!!
Moderators have no ultimate privileges! 
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posted November 13, 2020 09:51 PM |
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Galaad said:
Most of the sources quoted there come from mainstream medias including some like NBC news, Fox News or New York Times...
Everything is arranged in an accusatory, propagandistic way in order to let things look bad. All those "details" don't mean anything without context. It's sheer propaganda, arranged with a specific agenda.
I mean, don't you see that? Don't they teach that in school anymore?
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