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posted December 04, 2020 12:49 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 12:50, 04 Dec 2020.
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@ ohfor:
i don't have faith in them. but my point was, testimony alone(those hundreds of affidavits) should be enough to declare the election fraudulent. it was lying testimony from only one or a few people that got Trump impeached, if you remember. hundreds of testimonies all declaring fraud will blow this bs election out of the water, all by themselves.
funny how the left conveniently forgot the power of testimony, and the previous coups to remove Trump.
now, you'll know the supreme court is corrupt as well, if they don't invalidate the election. at that point, Trump will actually have to go above and beyond. he has millions behind him, who all want the corruption and globalist bs erradicated.
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posted December 04, 2020 01:25 PM |
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Right, the patriotic thing to do: start a civil war.
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posted December 04, 2020 01:40 PM |
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you know nothing of patriotism. the existence and reasoning for the U.S., period, is beyond your grasp.
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posted December 04, 2020 02:10 PM |
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Lol fred, to emphasize with a period, you must use it in the end: “The existence and reasing for the U.S. is beyond your grasp, period.” That’s why it’s a period and not a comma.
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posted December 04, 2020 02:14 PM |
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fred79 said:
you know nothing of patriotism. the existence and reasoning for the U.S., period, is beyond your grasp.
... To make a crapload of money without British taxes or the risk of having Britain abolish slavery in the 13 colonies.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 04, 2020 02:15 PM |
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And you know nothing about the constitution of the country you are living in, because you propagate a violent coup, followed by a bloody civil war.
Calling that patriotism is just, well, delusion.
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fred79
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posted December 04, 2020 02:27 PM |
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@ artu: addressing the format and not the content, shows you have nothing to say on the subject.
@ the others: neither of you understand jack snow WHY a civil war(or a violent conflict) would happen at this point. you haven't educated yourselves enough to understand. this country is on the brink of civil war, because of the corrupt, but moreover, because of people like you, who keep your heads in the sand and take the word of liars as gospel. if everyone was of the same understanding, there wouldn't BE such a danger to everyone; just to the corrupt in power.
if you think it's ok that such blatant corruption is a-ok, then you are a traitor. it is the rampant corruption that is causing this lean towards violence as a solution.
obviously.
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posted December 04, 2020 02:37 PM |
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...or you can say I’ve already said my piece and prefer not to repeat it to a brick-wall. Gnomes summed it up quite well, with much better elaboration than I have patience or determination for at this point, I’d say you read his last post five times a day and maybe some light will shine through a crack on those bricks.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 04, 2020 02:42 PM |
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I understand that you left the foundation of your constitution and are now deep in fascist territory.
Rantings, logic and justification, all fanatically fascist.
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posted December 04, 2020 02:49 PM |
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Yeah, fascist is the word.
Trump isn't the problem, he will most likely accept the transition and will concede loss, at the right moment - January. He already said it numerous times, wonder why people of bad faith keep this "coup" narrative. Well, we know why: hate takes precedence over intellect and common sense.
The problem in your way is his electoral base, they will not let it sink so easily, and this is why Trump can allow himself to postpone final results and make all this ridiculous noise. During four years they have been called by worldwide mainstream racists, white supremacists, indoctrinated, fascists, dumb and you name it. All that without any broad evidence but cherry picked examples here and there, dishonest methods that can be used about any side, granted you own a media who can
Trump will be gone but his electoral base will surely not accept and abide to Biden, because of the pretentious moral monopoly he pretends to impersonate, then for the endless slanders they have been targeted for so long.
When you pretend to unify a nation, you prepare it in advance, not claiming it only from the moment you acquired the power by such means. I think there will be 4 difficult years. You reap what you sow.
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posted December 04, 2020 03:01 PM |
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Salamandre said:
Trump will be gone but his electoral base will surely not accept and abide to Biden.
And do what exactly?
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posted December 04, 2020 03:05 PM |
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Fred said:
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now, you'll know the supreme court is corrupt as well, if they don't invalidate the election. at that point, Trump will actually have to go above and beyond. he has millions behind him, who all want the corruption and globalist bs erradicated.
That says: if we don't get the power by legal means, we'll take it by illegal means (force) to finally "eradicate" whaat stands in our way.
That is not only slightly fascist - it is the full package.
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Salamandre
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posted December 04, 2020 03:42 PM |
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artu said:
And do what exactly?
I don't know, those past 4 years have aggravated many things beyond natural healing, and in my opinion it is not Trump's fault. But that's an impossible debate.
Will see, "not my president" will go both ways now.
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posted December 04, 2020 04:17 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 17:00, 04 Dec 2020.
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“Hundreds of affidavits” are basically worthless as far as evidence goes. An affidavit is a document signed by an independent observer that lays out what a witness’s material testimony is and asserts that the testimony was provided without coercion. Importantly, an affidavit does not ensure veracity of its contents, or their material character to a specific purpose. The primary utility of an affidavit in court proceedings is that it establishes the testimony at a time closer to when the observation was witnessed, counteracting the well-known fact that accuracy of testimony diminishes as the witnessed event goes deeper into history, and as a matter of standard court procedure. I believe an affidavit is required for most witness testimony in the US.
Courts do not treat affidavits as evidence except in some highly unusual circumstances (like, the witness is dead at the time of a hearing). Almost without exception, testimony is only considered evidence if the witness is made available for cross-examination. Obviously, an affidavit does not permit cross-examination, therefore it is evidence of nothing. The quality of the testimony provided in an affidavit also determines its value – even if a person swears in an affidavit that they overheard Robert saying he witnessed a crime, this is hearsay and is not admissible as evidence without Robert being made available to provide his version of events.
Affidavits are sworn legal documents, so theoretically the person making the testimony is vulnerable to criminal penalties if it is shown that he or she provides knowingly incorrect information in his testimony. Some people will point to this fact as illustrating that testimony provided in affidavits must be assumed to be true. But in reality, the chances of facing criminal penalties for providing incorrect information is an affidavit are low because it would have to be shown that the witness intentionally provided false information. That can be nearly impossible, so in fact it is very easy to lie in an affidavit as long as you aren’t stupid enough to provide documentation elsewhere that you lied – like bragging to a friend on Facebook that you just lied in an affidavit. The fact is, that almost nobody is convicted of perjury from an affidavit. It just doesn't happen.
In the case at hand, there have been many people who have provided affidavits attesting that they witnessed election-related crimes. That’s a fact. But also a fact is that courts have judged most of these to be inadmissible as evidence. Under scrutiny, it was determined that many affidavits were based on hearsay, which isn’t evidence according to established legal standards in the US. (Hearsay is considered evidence in many authoritarian regimes, of course.) Other affidavits were recanted before they could be admitted as evidence. Some testimony was determined to be based on mistaken interpretation of truthful observations. Trumps lawyers even judged a large portion of them to be unreliable for unspecified reasons. In fact, the Trump campaign hasn't even submitted most of the affidavits they have, although they like to parade the big stacks of paper around as though they were smoking guns. In some cases, the witnesses submitting the affidavits refused to come to court to testify in person, making their testimony worthless – it’s only evidence if it is submitted to a judge. In other cases, the witnesses did come to court, but their claims fell apart upon cross-examination. Which is why cross-examination is required. In other cases, witnesses just basically asserted beliefs for which they had no evidence. "I don't think my vote for Trump was counted" may be a truthful statement, but it's certainly not evidence of anything, even though it is the basis for an affidavit. Affidavits don't have to be based on lies to be worthless.
But beyond all that, even if we took it at face value that the affidavits were all based on verifiable facts, and all the witnesses came to court to deliver their testimony, and the judges determined that fraud occurred in every case: we are still left with the fact that the margins of Biden’s victory far exceed the number of instances of claimed fraud attested to by affidavits, so it still wouldn’t be nearly enough to affect the election.
So, no, the affidavits are not as yet shown to be evidence of widespread election fraud. At best you might say that they establish that there might have been some isolated incidents of fraud that should be looked into by law enforcement.
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posted December 04, 2020 04:21 PM |
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imagine if jfk wasn't assassinated, and was up for a second term. and, that election was stolen out from under him from corrupt human garbage.
when you understand this from that aspect, you will understand the people willing to fight for what's right in the U.S.
we've never been a fan of corruption and tyranny. if the globalists have their way, we'll never get another honest election again, and the law-abiding people's rights will go out the window.
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posted December 04, 2020 04:55 PM |
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Reading material on a hate site (which would be my guess based on the content coming from you) is not an education. It is hurting you Fred.
Some riots and a few dozen deaths is tragic but it isn't remotely close to a Civil War. You need something more than a 0.00001 chance of dying in a protest to say a war is happening. Instead of using your mental resources to get further swept up in a hate group it would be nice if maybe you took some classes, got a certification in something, see if there is any independent contracting you can do, etc. See if you can start spending less and saving more. You said you're not in contact with your family anymore so joining a club might be good, at least when more things start to open up again. Take a break from social media and consider using software to block websites you may be addicted to. Video games are okay but some more active form of recreation would be really beneficial. Find something to make you laugh. Do some writing or some artwork. Enjoy the outdoors.
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posted December 04, 2020 05:09 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 17:36, 04 Dec 2020.
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my sources are not hate sites. my sources are where information is gathered.
your sources are the msm and other liars.
you, or anyone else claiming any of the evidence isn't evidence, don't have a leg to stand on. you're all full of snow. the amount of arguing you guys do, even after the evidence is presented, tells me you don't care about facts. you only want to see "bad orange man" gone, by any means necessary. you people are no different than the people who actually committed the fraud.
that's another unpleasant fact you won't accept.
@ cor: ok, i'm responding as i read. you are incorrect regarding the quality of said testimony. from personal experience, bs testimony by itself can be used in court. it was used against Trump for his impeachment, and it was used against me personally(as well as other people i have met). so that argument holds no water.
you seem to be under the impression that despite the fraud, biden would have won regardless. if fraud exists at all, then the election was fraudulent. you're also missing the scope of the fraud. it wasn't JUST viewed by poll workers who then filled out affidavits.
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posted December 04, 2020 05:33 PM |
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Yep, fascism rears its ugly head. 
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posted December 04, 2020 05:36 PM |
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Fred, impeachment isn't a court proceeding. The standards of evidence dont apply at all. It has no relevance here. C'mon, man, you are better than this.
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posted December 04, 2020 05:38 PM |
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@ cor: i finished my response to you. it's above.
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