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Salamandre
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posted July 08, 2021 11:57 PM |
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First, claiming that Trump is authoritarian is opinion. I don't see any laws or important decisions Trump took and acted despite his whole staff being opposed, do you? From memory, some of the controversial proposals (the wall for example) were countered by the congress then he chilled off.
Then most if not all of "shocking revelations" are from intimate discussions - thats why there is always one source alone and unverifiable, not from president speeches. So no.
Kelly just monetized the thrust he had from Trump, who would ever read his gibberish if there weren't some spicy "orange man bad" quotes.
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artu
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posted July 09, 2021 12:04 AM |
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Well, he’s not 1930’s level authoritarian, sure. But most people who worked with him emphasizes his “my way or the highway” attitude and rather than merit, he prioritized unquestioned loyalty. And he didnt ask for that as a visionary, he asked for it to consolidate his own power. That part is quite plain to see.
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Salamandre
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posted July 09, 2021 12:16 AM |
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Not "most of people", but a few, to count on one hand fingers. Most of people who worked with him were rather positive, we can make lists and compare.
Also you start stretching concepts who used to have a precise meaning. Trump was by no means authoritarian. There wasn't a single attempt during his presidency to restrict freedom in any of its forms.
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artu
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posted July 09, 2021 12:37 AM |
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1, 2, 3, 4…
There is a limit to how you can abuse authority, if there is a sunk in tradition of checks and balances, I’m not saying he had Stalin’s iron fist but that would be a pretty absurd standard to compare now, wouldnt it. You can claim all of this is propaganda, of course. But Trump’s abuse of power had been criticisized by both Democrats and Rebuplicans alike, since his early days. Considering the times and the country, he is as authoritarian as he can manage.
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Salamandre
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posted July 09, 2021 03:46 AM |
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Yeah, considering the time, the country and the unshakeable determination to undermine both his persona and his presidency, if any of such speculations had some substance he would have been impeached, prosecuted then condemned. None of that is close to happen, I guess that ends such void debates.
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posted July 09, 2021 04:03 AM |
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I’d say the system functioned as a break mechanism. It’s far from perfect but it’s still the difference why things didnt play out as they would have in the 1930’s Europe. You think like they shouldnt have happened, I think, it’s good they did happen. I experience first hand what megalomaniac president results in without such seperation of powers.
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fred79
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posted July 09, 2021 04:07 AM |
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"abuse of power"...
pot, meet globalist kettle. to call anything trump did an "abuse of power", is obscene; when you consider the world powers that conspired against him ever since he announced his run for president. absolutely perverse and obscene. this kind of flipped-reality globalist propaganda bullsnow INFURIATES me. 
if anything, that man DIDN'T USE the power he HAD.
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artu
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posted July 09, 2021 04:27 AM |
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Sorry, but wasnt your latest rant about how Trump sold out the true Americans freddy? It’s hard to keep up with you.
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fred79
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posted July 09, 2021 05:29 AM |
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that fat bag of gas turned on the true americans. however, that doesn't change the fact that the globalists, their lackeys, and the brainwashed used every effort except assassination, to oppose/remove him from day one.
i know it's a difficult thing for your kind to grasp: the hatred of someone not outweighing the facts.
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artu
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posted July 09, 2021 06:10 AM |
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You just summed up why populism works.
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fred79
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posted July 09, 2021 06:43 AM |
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Edited by fred79 at 06:44, 09 Jul 2021.
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i'm not a populist. that would imply i don't think there are vermin among the people; there absolutely are. all the garbage qualities that make people less than decent, are abundant in every class. it's a human problem; not a class problem.
the main issue, is filtering out the garbage from positions of authority. that is first and foremost the most important issue in every nation and organization. you have to have leaders who lead by example; and who put the people of their nation before any other, as well as themselves.
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JollyJoker
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posted July 09, 2021 08:43 AM |
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There WAS NO "economic recovery" in Germany under Hitler, not in the sense Trump and basically everyone else understands this.
Instead, Hitler simply went into massive dept with Germany to prepare for war (which was always aimed at the Soviet Union). With the interest rates of the time (as opposed to now) he committed everyone to actually go to war, because once the machine was running, the only way to keep it from collapsing was - going to war and plunder stuff. Which actually didn't work as well, as they had thought (in France).
Think about this: people worked overtime like mad, HAD TO, no choice. They had no rights anymore. Germany wanted to become self-sufficient, so even for the people who had some money the quality of life dropped because many things suddenly were not available or available in the form of "ersatz" (like coffee, for example - sure, the brass and wealthy would get some, but the population?).
It wasn't economic recovery, but economic suicide. Everything was thrown into building the war machine, and the truth is - and that should have been obvious for the politicians at the time -, the economic policy made war UNAVOIDABLE. It was the only way to keep going.
It's like in every game you play: if you take on loans to build armies and the logistics to support them, not only you have to pay back the loans, but the people and supplies and money you need to keep the army running are out of the production cycle as well. Additionally, once a certain level of supplies is reached, it doesn't make sense to produce more, more weapons, more ammunition, more uniforms and so on.
So the only way to rectify this is to make your armies productive and use up the supplies to keep the machine running, create a demand for more supply and bring "plunder" in to pay back the debts.
That's not economic recovery. It's simply preparation for large scale war and amounted to do or die.
There seems to have been a point when a return IN THEORY would have been possible, and that is 1936, when military spendings were in excess of 10% of the GNP and there was some pushing for decreasing this. But of course, "peace" (and peacetime economy) wasn't in the cards.
And it has no sense to start debating or discussing this. You can instead try to inform yourself, starting maybe here and if that's not enough, follow links and so on.
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artu
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posted July 09, 2021 11:19 AM |
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@fred
I havent said you are a populist, I said you summed up why it works: That is, as long as there is people with such an astounding lack of comprehension, such cheap tactics shall work.
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fred79
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posted July 09, 2021 03:51 PM |
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uh-huh. whatever you say, sparky.
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Gandalf196
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posted July 13, 2021 05:43 PM |
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Gandalf196
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posted July 17, 2021 05:42 PM |
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posted October 02, 2021 06:20 PM |
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posted October 03, 2021 02:10 AM |
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So this is the same people who were talking about how corrupt Arizona's election was and how a third party, non-election specialized auditor needed to come in to look at it, right? The same people who revealed that Biden won by more votes than had been reported, and that Trump had been given too many votes in the first place?
There was no widespread fraud. There never is. This is grasping at straws to keep a pearl-clutching outrage attitude about an election loss going, and it's costing a lot of time, money and public stability in the process. It's also an excuse to make voting harder in Republican strongholds, because those strongholds are becoming less and less partisan and conservative pundits have been losing votes and influence for a while now.
So yeah. 2020's election has been done for a while now. Trumplestine lost, Byedon won, womp, womp, nothing will come of this audit.
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posted October 03, 2021 11:04 PM |
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That article was clearly written by someone that has no idea how the process works.
The "duplicate" ballots they keep referring to, intentionally using the word "duplicate" to make it sound nefarious, are a completely normal part of the process. Many of those ballots are likely from military people and citizens living overseas. Citizens in these circumstances still get to vote as US citizens and are allowed to use their last stateside residential address to vote from. This also explains some of their address "discrepancies" they supposedly found.
These ballots can either be mailed or emailed to these voters and they indicate their preference on the Federal Post Card Application (FPCA) they send to the election office as a ballot request form. They also have the ability to email the completed ballot back to the election office. They print the ballot, fill it out, sign the attached oath, and then scan both and email them back to the election office. Then the signature is verified before the process proceeds. These ballots obviously cannot be put through ballot counting machines so a team of two with differing party affiliations gets together and creates a "duplicate" of the original to allow it to be counted. Both the original and copy have a corresponding serial number that can be verified later if necessary. And they have been during the multiple recounts Maricopa County elections did.
The other reason for "duplicates" is just because sometimes ballots wont go through the machines. Sometimes a voter spills coffee on their ballot and it gets warped. Other times they bring it to their doctor appointment and get blood all over it. Sometimes a kid decides grandma's ballot is a good canvas for their latest crayon creation. Or, more boringly, the ballot is ripped slightly making it unsafe to process through the machines. Just like with the FPCA voter, a copy with a serial number is created by a bipartisan team so it can be counted. (These are all real instances I have seen by the way).
You can learn more about the FPCA and Federal Voting Assistance Program at FVAP.gov.
The allegations of fraud all over the country are lies meant to break voter confidence in elections and it is working. Election workers work extremely hard to make sure elections are fair and follow all the laws in their state.
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