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Gandalf196
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posted February 19, 2021 06:40 PM |
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Poll Question:
Who won this debate?
Krauss, Meyer, Lamoureux: What’s Behind it all? God, Science and the Universe.
https://youtu.be/mMuy58DaqOk
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JollyJoker
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posted February 19, 2021 08:42 PM |
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Who cares? Three people, one common goal: selling books.
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Rimgrabber
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posted February 20, 2021 04:02 AM |
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Debates are largely a waste of time. They're not about informing people, or coming to an understanding, or change people's minds. It's just about who is the best at zingers and soundbites. It's impossible to have a genuine nuanced discussion in that format. There's plenty of amazing debaters whose arguments would fall to pieces if they had to actually talk about them, and likewise plenty of brilliant people who are awful debaters because they can't properly fit their entire point into 45-second clips.
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Salamandre
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posted February 20, 2021 04:50 AM |
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A good debate is not a chit chat. Is neither about the debater persona, fitting into a 45 seconds clip, having to be genuinely nuanced or changing people's mind. Is about being able to present your points with evidence and in an organized way, so what people mostly learn from a successful debate is not necessarily what to think, but how.
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artu
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posted February 20, 2021 06:30 AM |
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Edited by artu at 06:31, 20 Feb 2021.
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Intelligent Design is not biology and has no scientific credbility anyway, so there’s not much point in trying to debate as if it has. People like Meyer are fixated:
In March, 2002, Meyer announced a "teach the controversy" strategy, which alleges that the theory of evolution is controversial within scientific circles, following a presentation to the Ohio State Board of Education. The presentation included submission of an annotated bibliography of 44 peer-reviewed scientific articles that were said to raise significant challenges to key tenets of "Darwinian evolution". In response to this claim the National Center for Science Education, an organisation that works in collaboration with National Academy of Sciences, the National Association of Biology Teachers, and the National Science Teachers Association that support the teaching of evolution in public schools, contacted the authors of the papers listed and 26 scientists, representing 34 of the papers, responded. None of the authors considered that their research provided evidence against evolution. On March 11, 2002 during a panel discussion on evolution Meyer publicly told the Ohio Board of Education that the "Santorum Amendment" was part of the Education Bill, and therefore that the State of Ohio was required to teach alternative theories to evolution as part of its biology curriculum. Professor of Biology, Kenneth R. Miller replied that Conference Reports do not carry the weight of law and that in implying that they do, Meyer factually misstated the nature and gravitas of the Santorum Amendment.
At this point, it is a war of attrition, people like Meyer repeat disinformation and lie until it sticks. No biologist will watch this to check out if ID is true or not, it is a settled matter. But he will keep on saying things like “dna must be designed, rna cant happen by itself” etc. and since most of us dont know biochemistry on a technical level, people who are desperate to believe him, mostly religious ones, will believe him because they want to believe him.
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Rimgrabber
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posted February 20, 2021 06:42 AM |
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Yes exactly. In a more open format, that would quickly become clear to the uninformed observer. In a debate format, it's much easier for someone to muddy the waters.
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