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iliveinabox05
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posted June 16, 2021 08:35 PM |
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Heroes Chronicles: Tipping the Balance
Hello there! I’ve decided to go ahead and post about this particular project I’ve been working on quite a bit. I decided to post this in the HoMM 4 forum, since it takes place after the HoMM 3 plot.
What is Heroes Chronicles: Tipping the Balance? It’s a novelization of my take on the events of The Reckoning, taking place during and post Sword of Frost campaign. As a huge Song of Ice and Fire fan, I’m treating this text as if it were HoMM in that kind of setting. Maybe not quite as brutal, but trying to integrate all of the characters and their actions and also adding some realism. I also really want to give a reasonable send off to all of the heroes that just died offscreen in The Reckoning.
From the title, I’m sure you’ve guessed that the main protagonist is the Immortal Hero, Tarnum. I currently have 24 Tarnum chapters written, totaling 185 google docs pages (around 280 manuscript pages), So I’m reasonably far into his story arc.
I haven’t done nearly as much writing for the other heroes who will have point of view chapters, but I have been planning and plotting out story points for them.
At the moment, since I’m no George RR Martin, I plan to write through each of the story arcs one at a time. If I tried to bounce back and forth between characters, there would more than likely be some bleed over between them, so I want to make sure I’m keeping each of the hero points of view distinct from each other.
I’m releasing the first three chapters: Prologue, a Kija point of view, and a Tarnum point of view (though the second and third chapters could potentially shift when I get further along with other hero chapters). If there is any interest I could potentially just release all of the Tarnum chapters I have written, but I would prefer to wait until I have more story written for the other heroes.
Here they are.
And just to be clear, this is going to be a fully fleshed out novel, so if you’re expecting or looking for a light or fast read in the HoMM/MM universe, this won’t be for you.
I appreciate any and all feedback, even if it’s negative (though if negative, please make it something more constructive than “I don’t like it!”).
Big thanks to Jonny (Verriker/Erwinner) who has been a massive help in keeping this story as consistent as possible with the HoMM/MM lore.
Also big thanks to Michael (Karmakeld) who helped out a lot when this project was still a HoMM4 campaign.
Note. This is all still a very rough draft. I have a lot of polish I need to go back through and add, especially descriptions. I focused primarily on the events and heroes, with the intention to do several passes to enhance what is written.
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NimoStar
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posted June 17, 2021 02:29 AM |
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Edited by NimoStar at 02:29, 17 Jun 2021.
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A novel. Interesting?
At first I thought this was part of the secret creature project and you would make all Heroes Chronicles campaigns in H4 engine with custom H3 creatures and was like "damn, that's some real competition, the heat is turning up" 
Well, I am not an expert on Might and Magic lore so I will not be one of the most overjoyed by this, but I wish you the best of luck and I guess it's a testament to the endurance of the series.
Probably you will want to post it on some fanfiction sites for anthology as well.
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iliveinabox05
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posted June 17, 2021 03:13 AM |
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Haha yeah not quite that good! This is just one of the other projects I've been working on.
It's mostly for anyone who was annoyed like I was that there is nothing to bridge the gap between H3/Chronicles and H4. I'd prefer to make these playable H4 campaigns, but it just adds too much time once map making enters the picture.
I've always enjoyed playing through games with linked stories, so I'm planning to eventually do play throughs of Heroes 2 and 3, Chronicles, read this novel, and then play the H4 campaigns. I just like the long epic journey stuff.
It's also good practice for writing an actual book, haha.
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Galaad
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posted June 19, 2021 02:58 PM |
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Nice.
iliveinabox05 said:
Big thanks to Jonny (Verriker/Erwinner) who has been a massive help in keeping this story as consistent as possible with the HoMM/MM lore.
Also big thanks to Michael (Karmakeld) who helped out a lot when this project was still a HoMM4 campaign.
Do make a post in here guys so I can bestow you your rewards as well. 
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Baronus
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posted June 19, 2021 08:33 PM |
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Edited by Baronus at 20:35, 19 Jun 2021.
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24!!! Campaigns?! You must fast contact to VIP! We need new campaigns scenarios writers! Mapmakers too but not tu much as a scenariomaker! VIP has skill to realise it as playable campaign!
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iliveinabox05
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posted June 19, 2021 10:33 PM |
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Thanks Galaad!
Baronus said:
24!!! Campaigns?! You must fast contact to VIP! We need new campaigns scenarios writers! Mapmakers too but not tu much as a scenariomaker! VIP has skill to realise it as playable campaign!
24 chapters, not campaigns. 24 campaigns would definitely be a lot, haha
Just finished the 25th chapter.
I'm not familiar with VIP. I would definitely welcome help getting a campaign made for the various characters I'm writing about.
Is it for H3?
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Baronus
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posted June 20, 2021 10:00 AM |
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Yes for Heroes 3.
We are looking for new Tarnum stories to make more campaigns. Its is possible cut your story for separate campaigns? Eg. by partitions of main story line for a few adcentures?!
We have some class unused in official stories. Tarnum cleric, archer, druid, battle mage, alchemist, witch, elementalist, planeswalker etc. Can be used.
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iliveinabox05
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posted June 20, 2021 06:49 PM |
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Baronus said:
Yes for Heroes 3.
We are looking for new Tarnum stories to make more campaigns. Its is possible cut your story for separate campaigns? Eg. by partitions of main story line for a few adcentures?!
We have some class unused in official stories. Tarnum cleric, archer, druid, battle mage, alchemist, witch, elementalist, planeswalker etc. Can be used.
Have you spoken to VIP? Before this project was a book, it was an H4 campaign with 3 maps complete and a 4th in progress, so it was already chopped up into texts for a H4 map.
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posted June 20, 2021 07:48 PM |
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Very good so you have a lot of this in parts to paste into map! Yes we are collecting all Tarnum material to use it in great Heroes Chronicles Edition. Now its 9 campaigs but with your may be 10. Or if your story is long can be cutted to more than one campaign. VIP was here few days ago. So when he will come again we will can tell him. We are searching new Tarnum story. Is good occasion.
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iliveinabox05
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posted June 20, 2021 08:30 PM |
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Baronus said:
Very good so you have a lot of this in parts to paste into map! Yes we are collecting all Tarnum material to use it in great Heroes Chronicles Edition. Now its 9 campaigs but with your may be 10. Or if your story is long can be cutted to more than one campaign. VIP was here few days ago. So when he will come again we will can tell him. We are searching new Tarnum story. Is good occasion.
So has he created another Tarnum campaign then? What's the 9th title?
The Tarnum arc I'm working on is realllllllllyyyy long right now, so if it were to be made into a campaign, it might be better to separate them into more than one campaign.
I also have plans to take this story past the H4 timeline (second book), but I don't know if I will get that far. Have to finish this book first 
The title of the second book I was targeting is Heroes Chronicles: The Final Chapter. There is probably a lot more story before that particular chapter takes place.
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posted June 20, 2021 09:42 PM |
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9th campaign is Glory of War by herooflight for Era, but Vip ported it to HDMod!
Very long? Beautifully! How many maps? 16,24,32! It may be cutted to stages. All stage can be special quest to done. It may be something another than 8 map campaign. 4 x 8 map campaigns?! Of course the best would be if each 8 map stage will be closed story.
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iliveinabox05
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posted June 21, 2021 06:12 PM |
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Baronus said:
9th campaign is Glory of War by herooflight for Era, but Vip ported it to HDMod!
Very long? Beautifully! How many maps? 16,24,32! It may be cutted to stages. All stage can be special quest to done. It may be something another than 8 map campaign. 4 x 8 map campaigns?! Of course the best would be if each 8 map stage will be closed story.
Ah, I haven't tried out any of the WoG/Era stuff, so that's why I missed it! Is the version VIP ported in English? I may have to take a look if it is.
I had 7 to 8 maps originally planned, with the 1st map being a prologue and the last map being an epilogue.
There is a bit more writing now, so the earlier maps could potentially be split into more than one map (especially the first map, since there is a ton of story in it).
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posted June 22, 2021 11:26 PM |
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Galaad said:
Nice.
iliveinabox05 said:
Big thanks to Jonny (Verriker/Erwinner) who has been a massive help in keeping this story as consistent as possible with the HoMM/MM lore.
Also big thanks to Michael (Karmakeld) who helped out a lot when this project was still a HoMM4 campaign.
Do make a post in here guys so I can bestow you your rewards as well.
Woah.. well I've come here to be bestowed then..
And you're most welcome iLiVe and I can only thank you too, though my memory tells me you never really did much testing of my campaign  but you've been helpful in many other ways.. anywho guess we've both moved on to yet another paused project lol
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Galaad
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posted June 24, 2021 01:21 PM |
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Yes I remember starting testing it, it was nice. Sadly RL caught up then yes we know how "pauses" happen and also how long they can last...
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iliveinabox05
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posted June 25, 2021 04:18 PM |
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karmakeld said:
And you're most welcome iLiVe and I can only thank you too, though my memory tells me you never really did much testing of my campaign but you've been helpful in many other ways.. anywho guess we've both moved on to yet another paused project lol
Whatttt, I think your memory is mistaken! I definitely remember the Goblin Knight, aka Monty Python Black Knight  Though I probably could have tested a bit more
I think as far as this novel is concerned, I will actually release each of the character story arcs when I complete them.
If I do end up getting them all done, and I really plan to, then I'll mix them all up into a giant novel.
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posted June 25, 2021 09:11 PM |
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Nice! I thinked next version chapters with Tarnum about "Tarnum Pirate" .
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NimoStar
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posted June 26, 2021 08:16 AM |
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karmakeld said:
Woah.. well I've come here to be bestowed then..
And you're most welcome iLiVe and I can only thank you too, though my memory tells me you never really did much testing of my campaign but you've been helpful in many other ways.. anywho guess we've both moved on to yet another paused project lol
If there are playable new campaigns, I am definitely interested in distributing them with H4 Ultimate, so give me a call.
I can also test it though of course, with the mod enabled.
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karmakeld
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posted June 26, 2021 11:51 AM |
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NimoStar said:
karmakeld said:
Woah.. well I've come here to be bestowed then..
And you're most welcome iLiVe and I can only thank you too, though my memory tells me you never really did much testing of my campaign but you've been helpful in many other ways.. anywho guess we've both moved on to yet another paused project lol
If there are playable new campaigns, I am definitely interested in distributing them with H4 Ultimate, so give me a call.
I can also test it though of course, with the mod enabled.
Not nessecarily a bad idea, but balance could be an issue. In one of my maps balance was specifically made for the equlibirs change of neutrals always stacking in 3, and going back to eg stacks of 1 would make some battles impossible. Case could be the same for ilives maps, if they've been balanced based on certain aspects or setting.
So yeah a balance testing would be a good idea.
Oh, iLiVe my memory IS certainly failing me then haha. Sorry about that.. 
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NimoStar
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posted June 26, 2021 12:43 PM |
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Well, personally I am of the thought that campaigns should not be balanced around mods mostly if at all possible - not equilibris and not my own.
But in default H4 stacks do separate. The enemy will separate in up to four stacks if you have up to four stacks. So unless the campaign is made for alone hero only it should be easy to make the enemy split. Just splitting one wolf accomplishes this.
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Also, speaking of campaigns , there were two missing H4 campaigns made for Heroes VII
https://www.celestialheavens.com/forum/22/15725
Since heroes VII sucks, and these campaigns were meant to bridge H3 with H4 (one of them is about ending "fire, earth, air and water" magic, the other is about Dogwoggle and Kilgor), it would be good rather to have them in H4. Is your own campaigns related to this or do you have any additional knowledge about this?
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karmakeld
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posted June 26, 2021 03:44 PM |
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NimoStar said:
Well, personally I am of the thought that campaigns should not be balanced around mods mostly if at all possible - not equilibris and not my own.
But in default H4 stacks do separate. The enemy will separate in up to four stacks if you have up to four stacks. So unless the campaign is made for alone hero only it should be easy to make the enemy split. Just splitting one wolf accomplishes this.
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Also, speaking of campaigns , there were two missing H4 campaigns made for Heroes VII
https://www.celestialheavens.com/forum/22/15725
Since heroes VII sucks, and these campaigns were meant to bridge H3 with H4 (one of them is about ending "fire, earth, air and water" magic, the other is about Dogwoggle and Kilgor), it would be good rather to have them in H4. Is your own campaigns related to this or do you have any additional knowledge about this?
Single hero vs neutrals IS exactly the case in my example, so in that case it would 'tip the balance' so to speak ;D
But I find it kinda hard to do an allround balance that wouldn't at some point clash with eg a mod. Atleast if you set up specifict terms for a battle. That could be 1 hero vs xx bandits. Huge difference between 1 stack or 3 stacks. A hero accompanied by Elves vs. xx Wolves. If the battle has been adjusted so that skills, spells and artifacts would require certain tactics against their first strike/doubble attack, changing the wolves ability could cause serious balance issues.
As for the unreleased H4 campaigns, you could
take a look at these treads.. I could happen to know just a tiny bit about them..
For a more indept reading you could read this article..
the Bullard files
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