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JollyJoker
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posted January 24, 2022 02:34 PM

*Sigh*

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Corribus
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posted January 24, 2022 02:57 PM
Edited by Corribus at 15:02, 24 Jan 2022.

Sorry, all of that is bullsnow and you should be ashamed for repeating it.

Let's start with the Plaquenil nonsense. Plaquenil is an immune modulator and has shown some evidence in in vitro studies of possibly affecting the life cycle of Sars-CoV2 and related viruses. It certainly merited investigation. But clinical trials have consistently shown no evidence that the drug displays efficacy at preventing viral transmission or treating the disease in vivo.

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/

The fact that you think polling data from a tiny number of people, even if we accept it as true (which I dont, where's the source?), constitutes scientific evidence says a lot about the merit of your arguments.
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posted January 24, 2022 03:19 PM

Corribus said:
Sorry, all of that is bullsnow and you should be ashamed for repeating it.

Let's start with the Plaquenil nonsense. Plaquenil is an immune modulator and has shown some evidence in in vitro studies of possibly affecting the life cycle of Sars-CoV2 and related viruses. It certainly merited investigation. But clinical trials have consistently shown no evidence that the drug displays efficacy at preventing viral transmission or treating the disease in vivo.

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-and-or-azithromycin/

The fact that you think polling data from a tiny number of people, even if we accept it as true (which I dont, where's the source?), constitutes scientific evidence says a lot about the merit of your arguments.




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posted January 24, 2022 05:03 PM

Hydroxychloroquine has only been effective, in any way shape or form, in controlled hospital settings, and only because it helps manage the more dangerous effects of severe covid (specifically, organ inflammation.) It cures nothing, and there are better drugs for the role that it plays, but in that one specific scenario it's a useful mostly-harmless supplement to more radical anti-inflammation regimens. But only while in higher doses than you can get prescribed, and only in a drug cocktail in a controlled hospital setting... and even then, it won't help if you're really far gone, when your lungs are filling with fluid, because it only helps manage the inflammation part of severe covid.

It doesn't prevent catching covid, it doesn't cure it when you have it, and it won't help anyone who has a mild case get better faster. I had to explain this so many times as a pharmacy technician and my pharmacist flat-out refused to fill Hydroxychloroquine prescriptions until he'd called the doctor to see what they were for because we would have run out for the people that needed it because of malaria and crud ten times over because of this misinformation BS asckndiusfhrwkedmcfgiuqhiudwjkcmxqiadwjfhjiaucjwdcnxuiowgfjqweiucdn

I'm not exhausted and mad, you're... those things. Yeah. So there.
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posted January 24, 2022 05:27 PM

that's funny, i remember when gnomes gave a public service announcement and repeated what they said in the media, that hydroxychloroquine was a hazardous horse paste, and that it shouldn't be consumed by humans...

it seems he may have "changed his mind".

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posted January 24, 2022 05:54 PM

That’s ivermectin you vapid ghoul. The horse paste version is not fit for human consumption and helps in no way shape or form. And I distinctly recall telling you to leave me alone, though perhaps I didn’t explain my reasoning for it clearly enough:

You are the single most anti-community, disrespectful member on this board, and I am sick of dealing with you. I’ve stopped talking to you, taking snipes at you, or even referring to you and engaging in your threads. You made a wish that people who disagreed with you would stop engaging with you earlier this month. Remember that? Well that’s what I’m doing. Return the favor.
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posted January 24, 2022 05:55 PM

Remember tiny fact, if large news service publishing, we can trust the fact, but now's tiny fact tells fake things. News service don't share a tiny fact us. You can't take a seriously. News service know what's the true. Why you interested?

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posted January 24, 2022 06:06 PM

Gnomes2169 said:
That’s ivermectin you vapid ghoul. The horse paste version is not fit for human consumption and helps in no way shape or form. And I distinctly recall telling you to leave me alone, though perhaps I didn’t explain my reasoning for it clearly enough:

You are the single most anti-community, disrespectful member on this board, and I am sick of dealing with you. I’ve stopped talking to you, taking snipes at you, or even referring to you and engaging in your threads. You made a wish that people who disagreed with you would stop engaging with you earlier this month. Remember that? Well that’s what I’m doing. Return the favor.




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posted January 24, 2022 06:17 PM

Gnomes2169 said:
That’s ivermectin you vapid ghoul. The horse paste version is not fit for human consumption and helps in no way shape or form. And I distinctly recall telling you to leave me alone, though perhaps I didn’t explain my reasoning for it clearly enough:

You are the single most anti-community, disrespectful member on this board, and I am sick of dealing with you. I’ve stopped talking to you, taking snipes at you, or even referring to you and engaging in your threads. You made a wish that people who disagreed with you would stop engaging with you earlier this month. Remember that? Well that’s what I’m doing. Return the favor.


i stand corrected, but i also stand by what i said. hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin, you posted a public service message completely negating the fact that a human version of the medicine even existed, exactly like the msm did at that very same time.

and, i stand to correct you. when i wanted your kind to stop responding to me, it wasn't because you simply disagreed with me. it was because your kind repeat and enforce plain propaganda pushed by the msm, and because none of you had any perception of that fact. then you all call me a conspiracy theorist even after i post proof of what i'm pointing out, and do so over every single topic covered by the msm, and EXACTLY like the msm. all of YOUR messages are the SAME messages pushed by the msm, and they're all grounded in propaganda. that's not a simple "disagreement" between people. that's a "you have no idea who you're backing and what you're doing" situation.

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JollyJoker
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posted January 24, 2022 08:11 PM

Current covid meds situation in Europe.

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posted January 27, 2022 06:37 AM
Edited by antipaladin at 06:41, 27 Jan 2022.

but are you saying? that pharma companys win anyway?
or that this situation could have been avoided?
it is true that many people here had terrible reactions to the shots, myself included, but that being said babys who get vacinated are often very criry in the first couple of days past the vacination.
i believe its really is each to his own in the end, weather he does those shots or no.
also omicron variant is not as fetal as previous 4, and i would reckon herd immunity will get us though.
who are we backing for agreeing i do not know. i prefer not to believe in some consipiracy because that would mean i am insignificent .
that being said 120 years ago we'd given heroin as a cure for everything..
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JollyJoker
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posted January 27, 2022 08:33 AM

It's just a link to a list of meds in Europe already allowed for covid TREATMENT plus those that are being tested and of those that are in the process of being approved for treatment.
It's NOT vaccines, but meds.

Mind you, ALL meds have side effects, so the covid ones will have them as well. Everything pharmaceutical is give and take, obviously.

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posted January 27, 2022 09:26 AM

relavent to december 2021
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Direct statistics from Israel's Ministry of Health:
Severe cases, by age group, per 100k people:
Under 60:
Unvaccinated: 1.7
Vaccinated, two jabs: 0.7
Vaccinated with booster: 0.1
Over 60:
Unvaccinated: 30.9
Vaccinated, two jabs: 5.9
Vaccinated with booster: 0.7



As you can clearly see, the vaccines don't work.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 27, 2022 09:47 AM

Oh. You talk with fred.
Best of luck, then.

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antipaladin
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posted January 27, 2022 10:06 AM
Edited by antipaladin at 10:06, 27 Jan 2022.

i was trying to make a point, for both , for neither, forwhomever  listens, JJ.

every coin has two sides.
i just think your both overthinking it.
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JollyJoker
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posted January 27, 2022 10:34 AM

Do I?

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antipaladin
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posted January 27, 2022 04:59 PM
Edited by antipaladin at 17:28, 27 Jan 2022.

for all, save omicorn.
but the problem is that those aren't numbers. those are people.
you shouldn't consider them as numbers. since every life basically counts. and vaccines also could have negative affect. of course those numbers are minor in compression to the success rates, that being said its lesser of two evils.
which is why i think JJ is overthinking it all, much like Fred or this thread entirely. I'm up for both ways. i think it should be a valuable option that everyone makes for himself, nor do I think anyone should be forced or harmed incase he doesn't fallows any leads. its perfectly logical choice for everyone to make for oneself.

those are all, though the work of our previous government. uncourtly ever since Naftaly Bennet and Lapid ware chosen as CO prime ministers, this country is nigh destroyed. and not because they are leftist, no, because the economic policy they bring forth is so bad, people are litterly going hungry.
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posted January 27, 2022 05:38 PM

It's not that simple, though.

I don't have any problem with people making bad/wrong decisions for themselves, but in many cases a bad decision of one individual has consequences for others as well.
In this case, it's pretty obvious that vaccines are reducing the number of serious cases among vaccinated by a hefty percentage.
To illustrate the point that is coming, keep the following in mind: Land mines are designed not to be deadly, but instead to maim. Why, because an advancing army has a lot more problems with a severely wounded soldier than with a dead one.
The same is true here. The less people there are who are vaccinated, the more will go to the hospital and take up hospital beds that are needed by those with regular problems. If enough people decide, no, thanks, it may get ugly.

And then there are those who CANNOT be vaccinated (for health reasons - because they have a condition that makes it impossible). Every person not vaccinated increases THEIR risk.

Then there are reasons in connection with immunology and the workings of virusses and their mutations that makes a high basic protection within a population desirable.

And then think about the situation for friends and relatives. Say, your 70 year old dad or granddad has diabetes - but doesn't want to be vaccinated because he's afraid. So what do you do now? Refuse to visit, because you don't want to risk infecting him? Visit him and risk infecting him, so he might die, saying, his choice?

It's not that simple.

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posted January 27, 2022 06:17 PM

JollyJoker said:




And then there are those who CANNOT be vaccinated (for health reasons - because they have a condition that makes it impossible). Every person not vaccinated increases THEIR risk.

Then there are reasons in connection with immunology and the workings of virusses and their mutations that makes a high basic protection within a population desirable.





I disagree.
because like I said, I had an allergic reaction to the vaccination. everyone knew I was going to have, since I stated I'm allergic to ethylenediamine. though the vaccine have ethylene glycol and it is slightly different substance none the less, a reaction would be likely, so I had to get the ministry of health permission to do so.
I didn't want it because i wanted it, but because many places i had work in closed they're gates infront of me without a "green passport" a certificate that I had 2 shots.
The ministry of health couldn't answer me, since they are not doctors, shockingly they are clerks, and they sent me to my doctor again. he sent me to an immunologist professor who stated it was preferable for me to suffer a reaction rather then get covid, so i got the first shot, and I had a mild reaction and i was hospitalized for one day for it.
the second shot that i got 1 month later , the reaction was even more violent, and life threatening, and it took me 3 days to recover from it.

point is if i can avoid doing the booster jab, ill probably will.
I stand with my previous statement that its personal issue and shouldn't be enforced.

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posted January 27, 2022 06:48 PM

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Also I thought Israel was on their 4th booster by now?

recently approved for 60 and over age as well as for med personal.
for the 59-18 not yet.
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I've read about people with allergies who after consulting their doctor choose to get the vaccine and was admitted to the hospital just in case, but while I don't know how severe the disease is, it doesn't sound at all like it was the correct call to gamble and give you a second injection considering what happened. It's difficult for me to fathom a doctor advising you to do so again considering what happened.


I cannot really compare Israel doctors to anything else really, but that being said, I'm pretty much certain im not the only one.
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What are some of the activities you have to give up on if you can't have the passport, and do you feel it is worth the risk if it comes down to it?


work mostly.
Since I am a freelancer , I'm obligated to fallow whatever protocols the hosting client have endorsed.
if I want to make a living, I have to do as they say.

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