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Geny
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posted October 24, 2021 07:52 PM |
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Edited by Geny at 19:59, 24 Oct 2021.
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Except Palestinians and Israeli are not that intertwined, unlike Palestinians, Israeli citizens flew to a lot of other countries and back during the summer bringing with them the new version of the virus and Palestinian authorities have a much firmer grasp on their population than Israeli ones.
Also, since you like curves so much, here's a few.
Lower one is the percentage of vaccinated people: dark green - 1 shot, light green - 2 shots, blue - 3 shots.
Upper right is number of daily confirmed cases under the age of 60, out of 100,000 of the same sample: dark green - fully vaccinated, light green - at least 6 months since last vaccination, blue - not vaccinated.
Upper left is number of total severe cases under the age of 60, out of 100,000 of the same sample: dark green - fully vaccinated, light green - at least 6 months since last vaccination, blue - not vaccinated.
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Baronus
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posted October 27, 2021 01:21 PM |
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Yes but it was told that high vaccination rate is complete remedium for covid. As you see they lies all the time.
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Galaad
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posted October 27, 2021 02:01 PM |
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Edited by Galaad at 14:07, 27 Oct 2021.
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Baronus said:
Yes but it was told that high vaccination rate is complete remedium for covid. As you see they lies all the time.
I never read or heard such news. It was said that vaccine protects against severe forms of the virus, drastically reducing the number of people getting hospitalized for reanimation. It was also said that the antibodies last for 6-8 months, which is why you need to get jabbed 2-3 times a year, depending on your age and health status. It was never said that the vaccine is a miracle, but the best weapon we have against the virus insofar.
Just compare the death rates on the mostly vaccinated countries vs the poorly vaccinated ones. See Russia has above 1k deaths daily with roughly only a third of the population vaccinated.
Here in France with almost 70% of the population fully vaccinated life is back to normal. Israel, they basically have no more covid deaths at all.
People don't trust the vaccine because they don't trust the government. This is a real problem. Science is not politics.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted October 27, 2021 03:04 PM |
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 Galaad said:
Here in France with almost 70% of the population fully vaccinated life is back to normal. Israel, they basically have no more covid deaths at all.
People don't trust the vaccine because they don't trust the government. This is a real problem. Science is not politics.
If you call requiring a "health pass" for doing nearly everything normal...
And speaking of government, here they're trying to push a law that every employee has to have the "green pass" or no more work for you. I call that discrimination. The way I see it, this "vaccine" is only an excuse to make restrictions harder for people who choose not to get jabbed.
I don't see how any of this is normal.
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Galaad
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posted October 27, 2021 03:44 PM |
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@DD
You are talking politics again, I agree 100% they are awful.
The real issue for me is that if you don't get a health pass, it means you are more scared by the vaccine than by the disease. One way to get the health pass is to get the disease though.
The governments saw the health pass as the only way to try to keep the economy alive. What is the alternative?
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Drakon-Deus
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posted October 27, 2021 04:30 PM |
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As you said yourself Galaad, the vaccine supposedly protects you from a severe form, but even so there are people who died or got a severe form after three doses of vaccine. So I'm sorry, but I don't trust it. If you don't get jabbed, you are blamed if you get infected, but if you get jabbed and still get infected, it's because, well, the vaccine doesn't protect you 100%.
I won't talk about how absurd the restrictions are again because you know that already.
And I think it's entirely the politicians' fault because we distrust them. At least in my country they turned the pandemic into a political farce instead of a health problem.
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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted October 27, 2021 05:01 PM |
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Baronus said:
Yes but it was told that high vaccination rate is complete remedium for covid. As you see they lies all the time.
I don't remember hearing that either. Maybe, maybe in the very first months of the outbreak, before there even was a vaccine, when no one knew anything and everyone was guessing, maybe there was some such statement then. But when the vaccines actually came, no one said it was fool proof. People said that it was the best way to get back to more or less normal lives, but not that it would protect perfectly from the virus.
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Galaad
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posted October 27, 2021 08:49 PM |
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You are right DD, the vaccine doesn't protect you 100%. But no vaccine protects you 100%. I remember Corribus posting about this, here.
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LouWeed
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posted October 27, 2021 10:42 PM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
Not drink-driving supposedly protects you from getting into car accidents, but even so there are people who died in a car accident, even when driving sober. So I'm sorry, but I don't trust it, will continue to drive drunk
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Drakon-Deus
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posted October 28, 2021 06:21 AM |
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Whatever, "Lou". Go get your fourth dose then, hurry up!
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JollyJoker
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posted October 28, 2021 08:37 AM |
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It's just words. In the end you trust/gamble that you'll be better off getting covid than being vaccinated. Or, if you prefer, that you are better off getting covid without the vac than with it.
I could accept that if not many had been vaccinated until now and there were no data. But as it is, your stance is irrational and more like a superstition than anything else.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted October 28, 2021 09:08 AM |
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So why does it bother you so much if I don't want it, for a superstition or for whatever reason? If you think the vaccine is good, then take it, but don't force it on me.
I only replied here again because Galaad said life was back to normal in France, when actually I don't think it's normal at all to require a health pass to do anything.
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fred79
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posted October 28, 2021 11:44 AM |
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it bothers them because you're not part of the collective. they're emotionally invested in what they're trained to think. it's a feedback loop.
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posted October 28, 2021 12:28 PM |
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Correction, I just pull away the thin veneer of justification you come up with for something that is just silly and irrational.
The bottom line is quite simple: you are more afraid of the vaccination than of the virus, and considering how many people died and suffered from both you could just as well hit your head against a wall and claim sanity.
I could also explain to you why a high vaccination rate is important - but since you don't want to understand the simple statistical facts and the conclusions they present that would just be a waste of time.
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Galaad
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posted October 28, 2021 12:39 PM |
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LouWeed said:
Not drink-driving supposedly protects you from getting into car accidents, but even so there are people who died in a car accident, even when driving sober. So I'm sorry, but I don't trust it, will continue to drive drunk
This analogy is not so great because it puts the emphasis on being a danger to others, while someone unvaccinated can just be careful.
The better analogy for me is the seatbelt one. The seatbelt exists to protect you in case of an accident, just like the vaccine exists to protect you in case you get infected. No vaccine is 100% fool proof or even 100% safe. We did see some severe side effects. They are a minority, but they exist. We can say the same about the seatbelt, or the airbags. It can happen as well, also very rarely, that during a car accident it's the security disposal that kills you in the end. Will you still never fasten your seatbelt while driving the highway? The obvious answer seems to be, that you will fasten your seatbelt. The benefice-risk balance clearly goes in favor of the benefice, even if it's not 100%.
Drakon-Deus said:
I only replied here again because Galaad said life was back to normal in France, when actually I don't think it's normal at all to require a health pass to do anything.
I ask again, what is the alternative? More curfews and lockdowns? Talk about restrictions. You don’t want excess mortality to go crazy either, nor saturating hospitals.
Yes, it’s conditional, and yes, it’s discriminatory. Imo the pass is the ultimate testimony on how our "elites" have failed. Basically forcing a cure(!) down people’s throats. Surrealistic.
If you see it from the other side though, the discrimination applies both ways. If mass-vaccination permits the various shops, restaurants, clubs etc to be open, as it blocks the virus (not totally, but apparently enough to avoid more drastic measures), why would people choosing protection suffer from (stronger) restrictions that are not necessary for them anymore? This is where the guilt argument about the collective becomes unbearable. This is how a vaccine works to stop the spreading, a strong majority has to do it for it to be efficient enough. You are not reassured about the vaccine and you certainly don’t want to get jabbed and it’s your most precious right, to do what you see fit with your own body, and I agree and respect that 100%.
So you see, I am not trying to change your mind or make you feel bad or anything, I do find it interesting to exchange viewpoints and I thank you for being civil in the discussion. 
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posted October 28, 2021 01:01 PM |
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Thank you too, Galaad. I'm glad we can find some common ground. It would be good if more were like you on the matter. 
I have nothing more to say to others who can't even be minimally respectful when addressing me. Ciao.
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fred79
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posted October 28, 2021 01:49 PM |
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Galaad said:
This is how a vaccine works to stop the spreading, a strong majority has to do it for it to be efficient enough.
wrong. vaccines work(by their definition, before the globalists changed it to include a fake "vaccine") by making you immune to whatever the shot was actually for. and please, for god's sake, don't give me that globalist bs narrative "vaccines don't work 100%". they JUST STARTED saying that, and it's bullsnow. that whole "my vaccine doesn't work unless you take yours, too" is globalist lying tripe. it's amazing to me, how people have completely thrown away their common sense and freedom, and the history of knowledge on these things, simply because the globalists, and all the media they control, said something different suddenly.
and all in the name of "security". they did the same thing with "terrorists bomb planes, so remove your shoes and you can't carry beyond this amount of liquid and we have to run you through an x-ray every time you board a plane and we might have to stip search you and grope you and your children" at airports, and "the police need these military style enhancements against the mostly law-abiding populace because it's for your own SECURITY against terrorists", and the "you don't need guns because we'll protect you even though everything we've ever done has proven otherwise, forget about that pesky Constitution", and the "we change the voting laws after we break them to make all of our obviously illegal election fraud, legal" bs.
they keep overreaching and gaining MORE CONTROL OVER YOU and giving you inane excuses for you to feel morally justified in accepting their overreaching changes and ever-expanding control over the populace, and it's obscenely ridiculous to anyone that still has a working brain, that people continually fall for this bullsnow. now, they're injecting the populace with EXPERIMENTAL snow that has been proven to do MORE harm than good(but you won't hear about that in THEIR MEDIA), and they're LYING about what it does, and they're making it MANDATORY to get it or you won't be able to be a part of THEIR EVER-MORE CONTROLLED SOCIETY, and you guys buy the official story time and time again, because they know how to play on your FEELINGS. they KNOW that your FEELINGS supercede your INTELLECT. they know your WEAKNESSES, and they EXPLOIT that knowledge. EVERY TIME. EVERY TIME.
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Galaad
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posted October 28, 2021 01:55 PM |
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Fred, we agree that by being vaccinated you protect yourself and you don't need others to do it to be protected yourself. However, if you see it on your country scale, if you want life to get back on track, with social interactions and the economy running, which is good for your country, then you need a high vaccination ratio.
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fred79
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posted October 28, 2021 02:07 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 14:09, 28 Oct 2021.
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i wholeheartedly disagree. even IF the "vaccine" was actually a vaccine for covid, the only people who would NEED to get it would be those at greatest risk. there was never a reason for the shutdowns, period. that was about control too, and it had nothing to do with a virus that 99% of people were immune to, in the first place; because all covid IS, is a glorified flu. i suspect, that what killed most people(and the people that ACTUALLY DIED FROM THE EFFECTS OF COVID, not the fake numbers the cdc used for anyone who died while covid was just in their system), wasn't covid itself, but the "treatment" they were given in hospitals.
add to that, the fact the lying globalist media started speaking out against ivermectin and claiming it was only for horses(and "forgetting" the fact there are two versions of the snow, and that one kind is used for various medical uses for humans), while at the same time, 200 members of congress were prescribed ivermectin by a doctor, themselves. but you won't hear about THAT in the globalist-controlled media, either.
and add to that, that NOBODY in congress has to get the covid shot.
what is it going to TAKE, for people to put two and two together?
the bs is PAINFULLY obvious, as long as you are EDUCATING yourself, instead of taking the msm narrative as FACT. do you still believe that the U.S. went to war in iraq over "weapons of mass destruction", also?
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JollyJoker
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posted October 28, 2021 03:56 PM |
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*Sigh*
See, Galaad, that's what you get when you try to "discuss" with people that left the building or are on their way out.
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