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posted April 02, 2022 09:53 AM |
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AlexSpl said:
But I clearly see his lack of compassion.
Sorry for innocent people. But most of all I feel sorry for the pets.
But insane criminals, of course, must be exterminated.
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And he's not the one of those who bawling "Tanks ahead, let's crush those Ukrainian snows".
Tanks, it seems to me, are a bit of an outdated type of weapon.
A pile of metal that devours an abyss of fuel. Aesthetically, I really like helicopter Ka-52 "Alligator".
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AlexSpl
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posted April 02, 2022 10:01 AM |
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You are pretty far away from reality if you disregard taxes and cost of life.
I speak about Swiss people who were born in Switzerland and lived there all their lives. Of course, it's hard for not so rich foreigners to live in Switzerland.
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Galaad
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posted April 02, 2022 10:07 AM |
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No, I mean cost of life and taxes for a Swiss citizen with a swiss salary. For foreigners it's not hard but impossible to live in Switzerland.
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AlexSpl
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posted April 02, 2022 10:16 AM |
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Galaad
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posted April 03, 2022 11:43 AM |
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Switzerland has one of the best quality of life levels in the world. However, you are completely mistaken if you think the average citizen can become a millionaire under so little time. It's not as this article suggests, I lived and worked there long enough to know. The average citizen pays a rent or borrows from the bank if he wants to buy and it takes all his life to refund, when it's not the children who inherit the debt. Comparing to France, the difference is not so big in terms of your everyday life. It's truly proportional, salary is x3 but everything you need to buy is x3 too!
I'm sorry for the off-topic, but this is something 100%, this "localnews" you quote is painting a reality that does not correspond to what I could live first hand, and I wasn't under the average.
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AlexSpl
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posted April 03, 2022 04:02 PM |
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However, you are completely mistaken if you think the average citizen can become a millionaire under so little time.
Those calculations were for that case when you don't spend money you earn. So, for Russia 191 years and 9 months is the amount of time you'll need to collect $1,000,000 if you are capable of not spending even a cent you earned.
Now think about people which have billions of dollars. I can't fathom what a god on Earth you have to be for that 
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Galaad
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posted April 03, 2022 04:27 PM |
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Yes, but you then said it takes 13 years in Switzerland for the same which is the point I contest. It's more than a lifetime there too.
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AlexSpl
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posted April 03, 2022 04:40 PM |
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I wrote about average salaries. Look here.
You just divide $1,000,000 by a number (multiplied by 12, of course) from that table for your country. Of course, there are different prices in the world, and you must consider the ratio of what you earn and what you spend. But I will tell for sure that $566.45 per month is poverty even with Russian prices.
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ihor
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posted April 03, 2022 05:04 PM |
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Ben80 said:
The Soviet army has always treated the civilian population with care. The same traditions are relevant for the Russian army.
I just couldn't quote this month-old message after reading the news from Bucha. Army of degenerates, mass murderers, looters, and rapists. Treating civilians with special russian care. Shame.
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Salamandre
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posted April 03, 2022 05:04 PM |
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@AlexSpl
You have to compare with cost of life, not just raw numbers. In Moscow housing square metter is 5000 euros. In Paris is 11 000 euros while in Geneve it goes up to 13000 euros.
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AlexSpl
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posted April 03, 2022 05:13 PM |
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Why do you compare renting prices? Russian have their homes like French people. So, you should compare public service bills. Of course, it's expensive to live in London or Moscow if you are not from there.
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AlexSpl
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posted April 03, 2022 05:22 PM |
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And if we speak about import, especially hi-tech, prices in Russia are even higher than recommended by manufacturers thanks to "barygi" (speculants).
A CPU that sells in the US for $220, may cost all $300 in Russia. And no one cares about salaries.
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AlexSpl
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posted April 03, 2022 05:35 PM |
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Army of degenerates, mass murderers, looters, and rapists. Treating civilians with special russian care. Shame.
This war is a sinister improvisation by military already. I think the government lose any control over its military. They care only about "results" and don't give a snow about how military should achieve them.
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Galaad
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posted April 03, 2022 06:43 PM |
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AlexSpl said:
Russian have their homes like French people.
Majority of French people don't have their home and need to rent. I think this extends to basically the whole western world, or at least western Europe.
In Switzerland you need 2500-3000 EUR/month for the rent if you want something decent, or not far away in the mountains. After you paid the taxes, you still need to do the groceries etc. You still live good but you're light years away from being Cresus believe me.
Salamandre said:
in Geneve it goes up to 35000+ euros.
Fixed. And that's for 1 square meter.
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Ben80
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posted April 03, 2022 08:01 PM |
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ihor said:
I just couldn't quote this month-old message after reading the news from Bucha. Army of degenerates, mass murderers, looters, and rapists. Treating civilians with special russian care. Shame.
Watch Ukrainian fakes less. There is a lot of information on the Net about Ukrainian degenerates, but I do not dump all this here, because it is clear that there is an information war going on.
I see that you are not capable of objective analysis. Unfortunately, people like you are defenseless against propaganda. I feel sorry for you.
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posted April 03, 2022 08:24 PM |
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Ben80 said:
ihor said:
I just couldn't quote this month-old message after reading the news from Bucha. Army of degenerates, mass murderers, looters, and rapists. Treating civilians with special russian care. Shame.
Watch Ukrainian fakes less. There is a lot of information on the Net about Ukrainian degenerates, but I do not dump all this here, because it is clear that there is an information war going on.
I see that you are not capable of objective analysis. Unfortunately, people like you are defenseless against propaganda. I feel sorry for you.
Are you trying to deny that the streets of Bucha were covered with corpses of civilians after Russians left? Or maybe you think Ukrainians did it? What's your point? Show your analysis skills.
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Ben80
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posted April 03, 2022 08:37 PM |
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Unlike you, I am not going to pollute the brain of myself and others with all the videos that are being distributed, and unlike you, I am able to add 2 and 2:
it is known that a lot of money is allocated for fakes and information warfare.
Specifically regarding those videos that you mentioned - today I personally saw jambs in staged fakes. For example, a car passes by (the camera is in it), in the mirror you can see that a person (whom the car has already passed by) is rising from the road (because he decided that he had already played his role).
But I repeat - do not litter your brains with these countless videos. Testify only as a direct eyewitness. Read more good literature and sit in front of the screen less.
I hope we don't discuss this kind of rubbish again.
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AlexSpl
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posted April 03, 2022 08:51 PM |
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Ben80
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posted April 03, 2022 09:01 PM |
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If they (Ukrainians) staged it, what reaction did you expect from them after the exposure?
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AlexSpl
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posted April 03, 2022 09:07 PM |
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I wouldn't play with such things. This case definitely deserves an international investigation.
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