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purerogue
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posted October 26, 2022 05:11 PM

turn on the sound

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posted October 26, 2022 05:16 PM

Can unofficial UN member kicks out, and we take an official Ukraine? If you are read, so you are brainy.. But maybe Putin gets 1-3M troops.. A such life!

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posted October 27, 2022 02:08 AM

purerogue said:
turn on the sound


the ak is one of the easiest firearms to learn to shoot. the safety on those things are huge; not knowing how to operate it, and watching that guy/kid/whoever ride the bolt forward, too... ffs.

that said, maybe try teaching and verifying that the soldier understands the basic mechanics of a simple firearm BEFORE putting him in the prone position?

to be fair, the guy/kid/whoever is probably terrified of what he's being forced to do; which'll effect performance. so i can't realistically be disgusted by his actions. but i can, by the person yelling at him. drill instructor/superior or no, the one lying on the ground is being forced into a conflict just to add more dead whites to the jews' tally.

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purerogue
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posted October 27, 2022 03:18 AM

It was so freakin funny when he pulled out the magazine

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artu
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posted October 28, 2022 08:46 PM
Edited by artu at 20:46, 28 Oct 2022.

Salamandre said:
Identity politics is a complex concept.

Right wing movements attract masses by praising cultural identity,  which is not same as group identity. Culture is a constantly moving concept, however within a specific civilization historically settled and proved values, like mixing reason with morale, freedom with responsibility, science with religion etc. Its role is to create a solid and unbreakable bound within people who believe in same things, regardless their race and gender identity. Cultural identity is about where you come from and how far you can go as a civilization.

On the other side, the left wing movement use the group identity as they need the new masses of uneducated immigrants to keep voting, elsewhere they can't win any race, mathematically speaking. As usually those immigrants don't care about the history and culture of the hosts - and even hate it because they have been lobotomized about how it kept them down -, the left keeps darkening and erasing the cultural and historical achievements of the past then cancels any attempt to restore patriotism and that cultural bond. Group identity is about how you look and doesn't care one second where you come from or where you go. Then it settles how you should think based on your look, and if you don't bow, the group will expel you.

Who bows and fuels the critical race theory, right or left?

The left fractures the national unity, our declining west societies prove it enough. It also heavily penalize the debate and the free market of ideas, by censuring and canceling anything challenging its weak ideology. Do you really believe I can start a public debate about my ideas and not put in jeopardy my job and social survival? You are naive, this is how far it went, the "tolerant" left.

Now, about artists and intellectuals, you are right, such people, by the nature of their work and education tend to prioritize universalism and absolute equality, however when reality hits back and your daughter is raped by a Sudanese who had nothing to do there, or your entire work is canceled as one word offended the blue haired transfools illiterates, universalism becomes the last of your priorities.

First of all, first objecting to how right-wing politics arent populist and then giving an example such as how a Sudanese immigrant will rape your daughter is cheap sensationalism at its best. No matter your stance on mass immigration, most people, immigrant or not, arent rapists. That's an extreme example which doesnt signify anything. And unlike you, most people arent obsessed with immigration to the point that they make everything about it. Left-wing and right-wing politics differ on a variety of subjects, from economy to freedom of speech, from education to what constitutes culture and if we have to generalize at the cost of overlooking some national or periodic distinctions, the basic difference is that one is conservative and the other is progressive. And in this regard, of course most artists and intellectuals are not conservative and even the ones who are, such as Dostoyevski or TS Elliot, are not traditionally conservative. They have their own aboriginal conservative values they individually developed.

Cultural identity is a form of group identity. We all have group identities based on culture, interest, occupation, social-class, nation. It's not wrong to have them, it is even impossible not to have them, but it's flawed to be reduced into them and let them define our decisions by herd mentality. I'm not saying only right-wing people fall for that, it's a very common weakness of human nature, it has its evolutional origins based on consolidation and security. The herd protects you. But in modern times, it is not left-wing but the core foundation of right-wing conservatism: Traditional values define you according to which group you belong and its inherited set of values.

The left is usually not sympathetic to "patriotism" because it defines patriotism as a bait of the ruling class for the working class to their dirty work. When you enlist and "serve your country," it is usually a conflict of interest between the upper-classes of those countries. The enlisting ones' lives wont change much no matter what comes out of the war. The left wasnt symphatetic to patriotism way before the times of mass immigration, because it had a universal argument that claimed to overlook national identities. It looked at national wars as the wars of those nations' ruling classes wars. What the working class was supposed to do, was to unite against this, not participate. Needless to say, this is also quite a reductionist perspective, class conflict is not the only element in wars but it is not about "how you look."

When it comes to critical race theory, you may think of its arguments exaggerated, overblown, even completely false (they arent completely false though) but critical race theory doesnt focus on race in the sense you accuse it. It claims society already does that despite it shouldnt, without even knowing it. Now, I would agree, when you claim something like that, it would be extremely problematic to determine where to draw the line on positive discrimination but the counter-argument for that is cetainly not picking some exceptionally successful minorities, mostly from sports and art, and then claim such thing doesn't exist at all.

And yes, I do think you can start a public debate with THESE opinions above and keep having your job and social status or whatever. If you have more marginal opinions that you keep to yourself though, I cant speak for that. I dont think the cancel culture you speak of is non-existent btw, I just think you are exaggerating it, maybe the same way you think some people exaggerate racism.
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purerogue
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posted October 28, 2022 08:57 PM

artu said:
critical race theory


no

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Salamandre
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posted October 28, 2022 09:20 PM

@artu

You said it yourself, people in EU are lending towards right political spectrum more and more, and it is not because some "populism" you can't even define  (what's populist into recalling criminality is over represented through immigration category, since acknowledging reality and facts will call for wise decisions and save lives), but because all the pretentious talk like yours doesn't convince anymore and proved giving catastrophic results, through more fractured societies than ever.

It's funny how you arrogantly question the immigration concern in EU while you  comfortably sit in a country which will take very harsh measures to any attempt of cultural contamination. At this point I think you are totally clueless on the dramatic issues we face, in France, Sweden, Italy and so on, but I get such disarray, given the biased sources you probably consult.  

No, I never said immigration is "everything" which is wrong (actually it was a single sentence in my post), but when you can't go out, in many areas, without risking your life or when your 12 yo daughter is raped, cut in 4 then stuffed in a box by an illegal alien, and such things occur every week again and again, you may think the state is a total failure into protecting its people. And when the left says "let them all in and respect the diversity", you are in right of questioning their sanity, seeing the carnage which follows.

The basic differences between left and right is that the right cares about the citizens it is supposed to protect while the left fakes carrying about the whole world and "universalism", because it is clueless on how to solve pragmatic issues as equality, safety and sovereignty.

Intellectuals are on the left? Great, that only proves what I was saying, so many intellectuals in power, so calamitous results. Let them talk, that's all they are able to.

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artu
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posted October 28, 2022 09:57 PM
Edited by artu at 22:16, 28 Oct 2022.

Lol Sal, what's arrogant is you assuming Turkey has no immigration issues, the official amount of Syrians is around 3.5 million, the unofficial number is 10 million according to some, add to that hundreds of thousands from Afghanistan who mostly support sharia law. If you are under the impression that only you have right-wing nationalists who appeal to the masses by playing the "this is an invasion" card, better think again, because at the moment we are like the immigrant barricade of the EU. And you never said immigration is everything but with you every subject comes to that.

And dont twist my words, I didnt question any immigration concern, on the contrary, I said no matter your stance on immigration, giving example of a daughter getting raped is cheap sensationalism, and it is exactly that.

You have no problem with France going global when it comes to having the benefits of a global economy, but defend a national culture when it comes to taking in the people? How many investments, mines, natural resource do French companies have in Africa that benefits French people the most and not Africans? So it's no borders when it comes to business and protect the borders when it comes to people? That is hypocrisy. We all know about the problems mass immigration brings, saying immigrants are lobotomized rapists is really not the best solution though. And it's only natural to end up in anti-intellectualism with such cheap rhetoric. Keep in mind that you also "just talk" but I guess we both agree not so intellectually.

(Btw, it is also false to claim the that left is "in power," especially globally, you yourself admit that right-wing political movements are on the rise, than claim left has the actual power. Kind of like how you claim artists and intelluctals being mostly leftist is a myth but than explaining it with peer pressure. How come the peer pressure exists if it is a myth, how come left has all this power if right-wing is so good at problem solving and won everybody's hearts.)
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Salamandre
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posted October 28, 2022 10:24 PM

artu said:
Lol Sal, what's arrogant is you assuming Turkey has no immigration issues


Where did I say that? I said Turkey is doing whatever it can to ensure cultural homogeneity, aren't Syrians and Afghans same religion as Turks? Turkey is 99% muslim. In 2015, Turkey approved the first church in 90 years, and you dare to talk about France issues on "populism"?  Get out from Turkey if populism is so terrible, will you? Of course not.

artu said:
How many investments, mines, natural resource do French companies have in Africa that benefits French people the most and not Africans?


What that ever means? Does France steal them or use through mutual agreement? Show me any french exploitation in Africa where Africans get no benefit. Waiting.

artu said:
We all know about the problems mass immigration brings, saying immigrants are lobotomized rapists is really not the best solution though
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Recalling some are and pointing to state responsibilities is not saying immigrants are rapists.

Without noticing you emphasized the core problem. Criticizing and questioning the downside of immigration is a right wing marker, for you as well as for the entire left. And that's exactly why they will never address it, therefore they are unable of providing safety. That makes them totally inapt for ruling.

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artu
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posted October 28, 2022 10:54 PM

Well, this may come as a big suprise to you Sal, but not all muslim cultures think of themselves as one homogenious community! Turks, (and I'm not talking about atheist, intellectual snobs such as myself, disconnected from such lovely patriotic Islamic values) consider themselves very different than Arabs or Afghans in many ways. That's like saying both Russians and Ukraniansare Slavs,so what's the fuss about.

I dont leave because I'm on the Agean part which is practically much more similar to Greece etc. I sometimes think about leaving due to Erdogan regime and Islamism but it is not felt on a serious level on a daily basis on the parts I live. And it would be a financial challenge, I got juice here but Europe would be a different story, I wont migrate if I will be dependent on welfare.

No, I havent claimed there is a military invasion of France in Africa at the moment like in colonial times but I mean, come on... We both know how neo-liberal economy and its transnational companies work and how less developed countries are affected by that.

The rest, I already answered to, I wont repeat myself. You are the one who puts immigration at the heart of such distinctions, not political terminology.
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artu
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posted November 03, 2022 02:46 AM

The recent Putin talk in the Valdai Club was interesting to watch, I mean there is a lot of post-truth propaganda in the beginning like how the so-called  liberals ban Dostoyevski and Tchaikovsky in the West (it was one teacher in Italy, postponing a single lecture the day right after the Ukranian attack, you can buy Dostoyevski books from any bookstore in Europe and he compares this to Nazi book burnings) and Putin is certainly trying to also appeal to the conservatives of Europe taking his lesson from "culture-wars."

But there are actually interesting points he also makes about serious subjects, especially after 31:30.

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posted November 03, 2022 04:32 AM

artu said:

But there are actually interesting points he also makes about serious subjects, especially after 31:30.

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certainly a lot more astute than biden
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Salamandre
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posted November 03, 2022 07:57 AM

artu said:
I mean there is a lot of post-truth propaganda in the beginning


Cardiff Philharmonic Orchestra canceled a musical evening dedicated to  Tchaikovsky, while theaters in Switzerland and Poland have dropped his operas. Spain's Teatro Real, a major opera house, has canceled performances by the Bolshoi Ballet an internationally renowned classical ballet company based at the Bolshoi Theater in Moscow. Moreover, the boycott has also been extended to include aspiring young Russian artists.

A high-level violin competition organized by the Sibelius Academy of the University of the Arts of Helsinki decided to bar Russian participants from competing.

Yuri Gagarin the legendary Soviet cosmonaut - didn't escape the banishment. The Space Foundation, an American nonprofit, decided to rename its annual fundraiser called "Yuri's Night" in his honor and changed it to "A Celebration of Space" instead.

Russian teams are banned from international soccer and hockey tournaments and the Paralympics. Russian tennis players were also barred from participating in the Wimbledon tournament.

Denis Matsuev, Anna Netrebko, Valery Gergiev, Boris Berezovsky - outstanding Russian artists,  have lost all their connections at west and were dropped by their agencies upon their refusals to take a side in the conflict.

Others, as Alexander Malofeev or Kirill Petrenko had to condemn their own country, in order to pursue a career.

And again, I must say, it wouldn't shock me if a) the same who advocate the ban aren't the same giving constant lessons worldwide about tolerance and not mixing individuals with ideology (like when defending toes and nails muslims) then b) just imagine how everyone would react if we applied the same attitude to Israel artists, actors and writers, since Israel is the most condemned state (60 times) for basically same atrocities Russia supposedly did, then c) medias constantly parrot that Putin's high popular support is due to terror and despotism, yet  we agree to punish those we labeled as system victims, which makes a lot of sense indeed.

We gave Putin every reason to held such speeches and operate a definitive cut from Occident.
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posted November 03, 2022 12:02 PM

Talk is cheap.

I mean, OF COURSE the West is capitalist and guilty of everything capitalism can be accused of.
But Russia is capitalist as well. Economically, Russia is like a 3rd world country that sells its natural ressources, with a chosen few "oligarchs" profiting, becoming billionaires in the process.

The world is certainly suffering from a couple of illnesses, but Russia isn't the cure. It's obviously part of the problem.

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posted November 03, 2022 12:17 PM

Remember today Russia is 2nd threat to USA. Thanks for Ukraine. USA said threat is China, because in there build a nuke silo also economic OP, etc

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posted November 03, 2022 01:26 PM
Edited by Ben80 at 13:33, 03 Nov 2022.

JJ,
there has been no technological progress in the West for a long time. The West produces a lot of quality consumer goods and sells them at inflated prices. There is nothing to be particularly proud of here. See what things are being done in Russia now - https://www.neimagazine.com/news/newsrussias-bn800-fast-reactor-fully-fuelled-with-mox-10000041
These reactors will provide energy for hundreds of years to come. They allow the use of spent nuclear fuel. No other country has such technology.

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posted November 03, 2022 02:19 PM

Oh, come on.

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posted November 03, 2022 02:29 PM
Edited by Ben80 at 14:29, 03 Nov 2022.

It is absolutely incomparable. New nuclear reactors are a real revolution. The West knows how to improve existing technologies and make a product out of it. However, technical progress itself is not moving forward there, and partly artificially. It is impossible to call technical progress the endless improvement of a vacuum cleaner or a refrigerator.
I expect real technical breakthroughs in the coming years from Russia.

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posted November 03, 2022 02:55 PM

They are not new and they are certainly no revolution, because the BN reactors are in their core pretty old. The technology is also pretty unsafe, actually, and a dead end anyway. The BN-1200 project has been delayed because of that.

Capitalism is pretty simple - if something promises a profit it's done. If not, it isn't - or, only when some rich philantrop pays for it.

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posted November 03, 2022 03:17 PM
Edited by Ben80 at 15:25, 03 Nov 2022.

The novelty is not so much in the reactor as in the new type of fuel. No, there is nothing dangerous there. Fully workable technology to be used soon.
Additionally, it is also a solution to the problem of spent nuclear fuel, which is used in the reactor.

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