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Thread: Custom Mod
ExpertAirMagic
ExpertAirMagic

Tavern Dweller
posted April 03, 2022 11:47 PM

Custom Mod

I really like the original game (complete version) as it is. But I had some ideas how I want to see the game get expanded. I know many members of this community are experts in modding this game. I would be happy to compensate you for your work.

Below I will list the kind of custom Heroes III game I would like to play. Let me know if you are interested in helping me or whether you have suggestions how to do this in currently existing mods.
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Castle:
a) Has an 8th building called "Hovel", it recruits peasants per week at the base rate of 50 per week. Peasants are level-one creatures which cannot be upgraded.
b) Arch-Angles health increased to 300 hp. Can resurrect twice.
c) Royal Griffins can only retaliate one extra time, not unlimited.

Rampart:
a) Has an 8th building called "Magic Lantern", it recruits pixies per week at the base rate of 30 per week. It can be upgraded to a sprite. This is a level-one creature.
b) Homestead building can be upgraded to "Treetop Tower", which upgrades Grand Elves to Sharpshooters. This is a level-three creature.

Tower:
a) Workshop can be upgraded to "Thatched Hut", it recruits halflings at a base rate of 30 per week. This is a level-one creature.
b) Golem factory has a total of four upgrade paths, from stone, iron, gold, and diamond golems. However, any upgrade from iron to gold/diamond golem will upgrade iron golems by their properly scaled HP and diminish the numbers after the upgrade. Diamond golems are now a level-six creatures but with a smaller growth rate.  
c) Mage Tower can now be further upgraded to recruit Enchanters. Any mage upgraded will have his upgrade numbers cut in half and Enchanters  grow at half-the-rate per week.

Stronghold:
a) Hobgoblins now have a third upgrade to Boars. Any upgrade from Hobgoblins will scale with Boars HP. The growth rate of Boars will also reduce down to a base rate of 8 per week.
b) Wolf Raiders now have a third upgrade to Nomads. Any upgrade will scale with HP. Nomads base growth rate will be set at 8 per week and they are considered to be level-three units.
c) There is an 8th building called "Rogue Cavern" which recruits Rogues as level-two units at a base growth of 8 per week. They have no upgrade path.
d) Wall of Valhalla now gives +2 Attack per hero.

Fortress:
a) There is a 8th building called "Troll Bridge" which recruits trolls at a base rate of 4 per week. They have no upgrade path. They are considered to be level-five units.
b) Chaos Hydra has unlimited number of retaliations.
c) Cage of Warriors now gives +2 Defense per hero.
d) Defensive Towers under siege do double-damage.
e) Every hero starts with Armorer.

Necropolis:
a) Skeletons cannot be upgraded. There are no skeleton warriors.
b) Skeleton transformer can transform any level-7 creature into a bone dragon.
c) Zombies have a third upgrade path to Mummies.
d) Ghost Dragons has 100% aging effect on strike. Ghost Dragons entirely remove moral bonus from all combat.  

Inferno:
a) Every hero starts with Fire Magic and spell book.
b) Imps/Familiar's base growth rate increased to 30 per week. Familiar's channel 1/3 of all mana.
c) Magogs do area damage but do not damage friendly units.
d) Pit Lords can summon twice.
e) At level 5 mage guild always includes Sacrifice spell. The sacrifice spell now leaves the dead stack on the battlefield allowing pit lords to summon demons from that stack.
f) Demons can no longer be upgraded. Instead they just receive +1 speed.
g) Arch-Devils entirely eliminate all luck from opposing team. Any stack hit by Arch-Devils becomes cursed.
e) City Hall provided 2500 gold per day. Capitol provides 5000 gold per day.

Dungeon:
a) Battle Scholar Academy now gives +2500 Experience.
b) Resource Silo gives +1 of each rare resource per day and +2 of wood/stone per day.
c) Mana Vortex triggers each week for each hero.
d) Portal of Summoning can be used to summon any unit, from anywhere, as long as the dwelling is flagged.
e) Dragon cave can be upgraded for a 3rd time allowing the player to upgrade Black dragons into Azure dragons. It will require 4 black dragons to upgrade into one Azure. There is no growth rate of Azure dragons and they can only be upgraded from Black dragons.

Conflux:
I am not a fan of this town. It feels too forced. None of the units are any interesting other than the Phoenix. I do not have any ideas where to put the Phoenix. But I would like to see Conflux be removed, or at least, the option to disable them from appearing.




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RerryR
RerryR


Promising
Supreme Hero
Researching Magic
posted April 04, 2022 01:26 PM

For which platform do you plan to add these changes?
A couple of them are really very easy to do with simple ERM commands if you plan to use ERA 3. Some already exist to use, like Magogs do not damage their own troops.

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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted April 04, 2022 01:38 PM
Edited by AlexSpl at 13:55, 04 Apr 2022.

I like a) ideas regarding invitation of neutrals, make sense and very consistent. But how one is supposed to add a building if there is no free room left for it in village/town/city hall dialogue? Will such dwellings be always built from start? Or do you plan to redesign the original dialogue window? Another question is how to place those dwellings on a city screen for them to not look alien. This is the most complicated part of your mod, I think.

Other ideas are relatively easy to implement via plugins. Some of them can even be done in 10-30 minutes.

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ExpertAirMagic
ExpertAirMagic

Tavern Dweller
posted April 04, 2022 02:24 PM

RerryR said:
For which platform do you plan to add these changes?



Just the base game and compatible with the HD mod. There is tab in the HD mod which says "plugin", so I imagine that is what it is there for.

AlexSpl said:
But how one is supposed to add a building if there is no free room left for it in village/town/city hall dialogue? Will such dwellings be always built from start? Or do you plan to redesign the original dialogue window? Another question is how to place those dwellings on a city screen for them to not look alien. This is the most complicated part of your mod, I think.


Yes, that does seem like the most complicated part of the mod, since it requires something new. But basically a redesign of the town center. You make a good point to possible rename the dwellings so they remain consistent. So this part of the mod will require some artwork.

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fanofheroes
fanofheroes


Famous Hero
posted April 04, 2022 04:58 PM

In regards to Dungeon

"d) Portal of Summoning can be used to summon any unit, from anywhere, as long as the dwelling is flagged."

Isn't that what it currently does anyway? I mean you can flag neutral dwellings too, and the POS will recruit those units.  Did you mean perhaps that even if the other players have flagged the dwelling, then you can recruit those as well?

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RerryR
RerryR


Promising
Supreme Hero
Researching Magic
posted April 04, 2022 07:23 PM

ExpertAirMagic said:
RerryR said:
For which platform do you plan to add these changes?



ExpertAirMagic said:
Just the base game and compatible with the HD mod. There is tab in the HD mod which says "plugin", so I imagine that is what it is there for.



Well in that case I am out of the business.

My recommendations would be to work on ERA because it is a platform explicit design to write and create mods for. It has propper documentation and you can use other mods to start learning and have hundreds of ready-made scripts.
If you want to stick with plugins and base SoD there are only two or three people here who could teach you anything.

Usually, no one will implement the changes you suggested, these times are long gone. You mostly will have to do it on your own and get some help on the way.

As for the new buildings, as Alex already mentioned, it is difficult to do anything in the town screen with new graphics. It is easier to open new windows on any click event and create a new window which somehow enables you to build new stuff. This is probably as good as it gets.

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NimoStar
NimoStar


Responsible
Legendary Hero
Modding the Unmoddable
posted April 06, 2022 01:00 AM
Edited by NimoStar at 01:03, 06 Apr 2022.

Many mods have made new buildings to recruit creatures. What he asks for is not very strange. Changing the construction dialogs is not that hard either.

A third/fourth upgrade doesn't need a new button layout, it just appears in place after the previous one is done, too.

(though mostly would be done with ERA)

What I think this person is asking here is to PAY someone to do his changes.

I for one think most of these thanges are pretty terrible (with a few exceptions). I mean upgrading gremlins into halflings... pls. Some creatures with 3/4 upgrades, others zero. That's inconsistent.

But it is a lie that they cannot be done by a dedicated modder.

And I don't think he minds to do them with or without ERA, as long as the ERA in question is properly de-wogified.
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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted April 06, 2022 01:14 AM

Quote:
I mean upgrading gremlins into halflings... pls.

Not to upgrade, this is indeed nonsense, but to settle them in their native town. If your are familiar with HoMM 2, you will understand, why Peasants belong to Castle, Sprites to Rampart, and Halflings to Tower.


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AlexSpl
AlexSpl


Responsible
Supreme Hero
posted April 06, 2022 06:22 PM

Quote:
What I think this person is asking here is to PAY someone to do his changes.

I think it's fair. But also I think it's fair to designate in advance how much you can pay to turn your ideas into reality. Modders are not in the big industry, which can allow itself to sell their games for, say, 50 bucks. They can sell games for $50, because they know that their games will be bought by thousands - if not millions of people. For a single modder plus-minus 50 bucks are nothing at all. You either work for free, because you just enjoy your work and know how to do it properly, or you just skip such "lucky opportunities", because you understand that the other side hardly provide you with decent amount of money for your work. Just random thoughts of a modder

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Baronus
Baronus


Legendary Hero
posted April 07, 2022 05:36 PM

You can have a lot of these effects using simply hexediting effect.

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RerryR
RerryR


Promising
Supreme Hero
Researching Magic
posted April 07, 2022 07:29 PM

AlexSpl said:
Quote:
What I think this person is asking here is to PAY someone to do his changes.

I think it's fair. But also I think it's fair to designate in advance how much you can pay to turn your ideas into reality. Modders are not in the big industry, which can allow itself to sell their games for, say, 50 bucks. They can sell games for $50, because they know that their games will be bought by thousands - if not millions of people. For a single modder plus-minus 50 bucks are nothing at all. You either work for free, because you just enjoy your work and know how to do it properly, or you just skip such "lucky opportunities", because you understand that the other side hardly provide you with decent amount of money for your work. Just random thoughts of a modder


gotta agree with you on this one.

That's why I always tell people: Do it yourself or it won't happen.

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zmudziak22
zmudziak22


Supreme Hero
Heroes 3 Fan
posted April 08, 2022 04:59 PM

Well Pixies and Sprites will collide, if they are both in Rampart and Conflux, unless you put something else in Pixie slot in Conflux town.
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ExpertAirMagic
ExpertAirMagic

Tavern Dweller
posted April 09, 2022 03:32 AM

NimoStar said:

What I think this person is asking here is to PAY someone to do his changes.



Yes, that is correct. I want to pay someone to do these changes for me. This community has a lot of experienced modders. I can pay in advanced for what they think is fair. Then the modder's work will simply become a public release on this forum for anyone else willing to play around with the custom game. I am also willing to pay in advance.

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Truthlove
Truthlove

Tavern Dweller
posted April 09, 2022 06:49 AM
Edited by Truthlove at 08:43, 09 Apr 2022.


I'm glad to see some friends who like to modify. I have studied the modification of the original version for more than ten years and wrote a lot of disassembly code. Most of the modifications you said have been implemented, and some unrealized contents need to be studied separately, but these contents are more complex. People who understand disassembly know that although the disassembly platform is almost omnipotent, it has high requirements for the ability of operators, and many functions may not be realized. I seldom go to this forum.If you need someone to complete your customized functions, You can send me an email: 13928166032@163.com

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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted April 09, 2022 09:54 AM
Edited by Phoenix4ever at 09:55, 09 Apr 2022.

If these neutral creatures were to be put in towns, they would also need a native terrain. Anyone knows how to do that?
An alternative would be to give all neutral creatures +1 attack, +1 defense and +1 speed, I suppose.

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ExpertAirMagic
ExpertAirMagic

Tavern Dweller
posted April 10, 2022 01:10 AM

Truthlove said:
I have studied the modification of the original version for more than ten years and wrote a lot of disassembly code. Most of the modifications you said have been implemented, and some unrealized contents need to be studied separately, but these contents are more complex. People who understand disassembly know that although the disassembly platform is almost omnipotent, it has high requirements for the ability of operators, and many functions may not be realized. I seldom go to this forum.If you need someone to complete your customized functions, You can send me an email: 13928166032@163.com


That looks good!

I will send you an email later tonight or/ tomorrow.

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Everyone else on the forum, please post your ideas/suggestions, to restructure each of the original factions (possibly eliminating Conflux). If we get this mod done successfully then it will be a release on this forum for everyone to enjoy.

How would you feel if Rampart lost gold dragons but instead got Firebird/Phoenix at double growth rate (but slower speed than original Phoenix).  

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Salamandre
Salamandre


Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
posted April 10, 2022 01:23 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 01:29, 10 Apr 2022.

ExpertAirMagic said:
That looks good! I will send you an email later tonight or/ tomorrow.


Look at members profiles and eventually mods released before you "pay in advance".

Not saying the guy is a thief, just pointing something obvious - prudence : his only post in this forum occurred after you offer money and nobody heard of him before.
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Era II mods and utilities

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Truthlove
Truthlove

Tavern Dweller
posted April 10, 2022 03:44 AM
Edited by Truthlove at 03:48, 10 Apr 2022.

Some code written before,Show only a small part




1. Two person battle can also be automatic battle (convenient for players to watch automatic battle)

2. After escaping or surrendering, the magic value and movement force are cleared (you can't just HR)

3. Streaking normalization

4. In flight, you can hover over the monster

5. Creatures that can attack the landing site

6. The war machine can be treated

7. Close the prompt after learning tactics

8. Turn off the hint that the hero can move when crossing the sky

9. Turn off the hint that magic has no effect on all targets

10. The spell can still be cast on the target when the magic is invalid (it is still invalid, but it can let the caster waste Casting Opportunities)

11. Initial must take Level 2 barracks

12. Start with three teams

13. Morale and luck launch probability adjusted to 3 times of the original

14. Sound effect hard straight time after canceling the building

15. You can also gain experience points by destroying the war machine

16. Dig treasure at will, but the movement force is still cleared after digging treasure

17. Infinite arrow

18. Long range troops can also double-click close attacks

19. The default difficulty of the game is 200

20. There will be no countdown after no city

21. It is forbidden to generate wild monsters at the intersection to prevent wild monsters from blocking the road

22. The month of eliminating plague

23. Unlimited architecture

24. The terrain in the underground world becomes the original terrain when fighting, and it is no longer an underground cave forever

25. Hero initial equipment without catapult

26. Cancel the hard straight time of battle waiting, sky waiting and failure waiting

27. Defending the city can also summon the crossbow

28. You must have a catapult treasure to summon a catapult. The attacker and defender can also summon a catapult at ordinary times, and the biological bank can also summon a war machine in battle

29. The treasure remains after the war machine is destroyed (catapult effect)

30. Catapults can attack creatures

31. The catapult can still be controlled without urban defense

32. 25 points will be obtained without digging treasure

33. It can rob the enemy's war machine

34. The war machine can be put in the bag

35. The catapult can be removed and exchanged

36. You can rob the enemy's treasure

37. Take Dabao by plane, and Dabao will not be lost:

38. No treasure will be deducted when doing tasks, no artifact will be deducted when building miracles, no creature will be deducted when doing tasks, and no resources will be deducted when doing tasks

39. Break through the hero level limit of campaign tasks:

40. York in the battle brave invincible can buy magic books:

41. The combination treasure does not occupy the space, and the storage position of components after splitting the combination treasure is changed to luggage

42. The refresh time of treasure store is changed to 1 week (convenient for refreshing treasure)

43. Long range attack can launch biological skills

44. Adjust the number of wild monsters according to the difficulty of the game

45. All wild monsters must wear vests

46. Put a vest on the creature nest guard:

47. Biological nests can accumulate organisms (up to 1 month)

48. Biological bank and black market will refresh in the coming months

49. Arrow tower can enjoy the hero's attack bonus

50. Get rid of the restriction on power selection. You can choose the exclusive power of the computer at the beginning. You can reselect the power when loading a single player game. When loading a multiplayer game, you can use a single player to play the game. When loading a multiplayer game, you can choose the progress of only one human exclusive power

51. When entering the recruitment arms interface, the maximum recruitment value is selected by default

52. Remove the restriction that some official campaigns cannot choose difficulty, and the default difficulty of campaigns is extremely difficult

53. The default initial reward of the map is changed to treasure

54. Break the difficulty limit and reset the difficulty of the game when loading the game

55. Heroes are no longer invincible. When they are defeated, they will disappear forever and can no longer be recruited. Heroes who retreat and surrender can be recruited again

56. AI heroes cannot escape when there are only war machines left and there is no artillery

57. Tents can revive allies

58. Level 1 soldiers in the field need to spend money to recruit

59. Heroes learn the Kung Fu of floating on the water and can walk on the water

60. When fighting on the water, if the hero is not on board or does not know how to navigate, the speed of the army will be reduced by 2 points



62. When assembling an artifact, you only need to put any component on your body, and other components can be combined even if they are put in your luggage

63. You can surrender to the wild monster

64. Add a new version of the summoning door (the arms can be set freely, temporarily set to level 5 soldiers of the family)

65. The faction has more than one town. Each town increases hero's movement power by 200

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Truthlove
Truthlove

Tavern Dweller
posted April 10, 2022 03:53 AM
Edited by Truthlove at 04:06, 10 Apr 2022.

For more details, please visit here,Because of my poor foreign language level, please use translation software when browsing

https://tieba.baidu.com/p/7129120821


The post is attached with a free test program. All the functions in the test program are developed based on the original version 3.1. You can download it by using Baidu online disk. You can also send the test program to you by email (due to the limitation of email attachments, only send exe files). You can choose the functions you like in it. The functions not in the test program can be customized by email, If you really need to test, you can ask your friends in China to test the program for you, or you can ask your friends in China about me

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