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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Worst Tower hero
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Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted July 30, 2022 04:45 PM

Poll Question:
Worst Tower hero

Now I tell you those heroes are poor in RoE. Take your lesson, but advanced AB and/or SoD players can give a comment. Remember common brainy, this isn't HotA nor WoG/ERA. Ok then I do worst heroes to everyone 9 Alliances. Ok I know the worst Tower hero is Josephine, because I never played her since RoE. Ok I vote a Josephine
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Responses:
Josephine
Piquedram
Rissa
Torosar
Halon
Serena
Theodorus
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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


Undefeatable Hero
posted July 30, 2022 05:56 PM

My vote to Serena.
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Gandalf196
Gandalf196


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posted July 30, 2022 06:07 PM

All towers heroes suck hard. Indeed, I argue that Wizards should be "wearing the crown of magus of the magi" and for a very simple reason: first, the word's etymology refers to wisdom, meaning that wizards are known by their intellectual, not physical, prowess. In the Might and Magic Universe (and to fantasy settings in general), wisdom/intelligence is equated to arcane lore, which can be achieved, generally speaking, in two ways: either you're born with the gift or through extensive study. No magic class of Heroes III suggests the first and, the way I see things, classes are mainly differentiated by their interests/what they do with their time most of the time (a metaphor for the probabilities of advancing in their primary skills). Therefore, it makes way more sense that this archetypal conjurer's time is entirely dedicated to the pursuit of arcane lore. In fact, by making their advancement 30/20/20/30 after the tenth level, one is creating an entirely new kind of spellcaster, a snow battle mage, maybe? (the snow was added to avoid copyright lawsuit from the Stronghold golbin lawyers).
Also, it makes 0 sense that the town whose very foundation is magic: they live in a magocracy, they have the library to learn more spells, etc. should have such a mediocre magic class. One could argue that worlocks should rival Wizards in power and I tend to agree. I think Heroes II did a better job in this aspect: sorceresses would favor knowledge over spell power, Warlocks would favor the opposite, while Wizards would take both (not to mention that there they did not have the wretched post level 10 scaling : Heroes II Primary Skill Advancement . However, Wizards, then, were seen as the superior magi (thus, their unique building was a magic one and they had better chances to get magic secondary skills), which, the way I see things, makes way more sense and enriches the diversity of the classes.
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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


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posted July 30, 2022 06:12 PM

I knew Gandalf would be here to rant about the Wizard class.

Voted Serena btw.

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Hourglass
Hourglass


Famous Hero
posted July 30, 2022 08:38 PM

This one isn't very hard, as it's Serena. Eagle Eye specialty is yuck and Dispel turns out to be one the worst possible starting spells. Only good thing about her is the big mana pool, otherwise she wouldn't be just the worst hero in Tower, but could be the worst hero in the whole game.

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heymlich
heymlich


Known Hero
posted July 31, 2022 12:05 AM

I vote Piquedram. I actually restart if I get him. He doesn't bring any gremlins and those gremlins are needed in week 1.

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DarkAtom
DarkAtom


Adventuring Hero
posted August 02, 2022 01:35 AM

My vote goes to Serena. Whoever plays with her must enjoy dispelling Dragon Fly's weakness in early game, I can't think of any other reason why you would need this spell instead of literally anything else (even Remove Obstacle would be more useful in early game). Not to mention that in 90% of mage guilds you find either Cure or Dispel. As you can see, I completely ignored her specialty and secondary skill, because I wanted to give her an extra chance.

Gandalf196 said:
All towers heroes suck hard.


Maybe not that far.
Solmyr is really good in early game with that Chain Lightning (the Sorcery is the only thing that you can complain about, but I can live with it). Cyra is OP if used correctly (assuming Diplomacy skill isn't banned/crippled in some way). Daremyth's specialty is useless, but otherwise she is a great and Intelligent hero (it's a skill that I value almost as much as Earth Magic).
Notice how I mentioned Wizards only, Alchemists are a different story. Every single one of them has a trash skill. Iona and Torosar seem to be the only usable heroes (as well as all heroes that produce resources).

Hourglass said:
but could be the worst hero in the whole game.


Along with Sanya. But at least she is not surrounded by so many idiots in her town.
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NimoStar
NimoStar


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posted August 02, 2022 02:17 AM
Edited by NimoStar at 02:27, 02 Aug 2022.

Hum, is everybody forgetting neela?

https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Neela

I don't mean she's bad but the oppossite, sayiung "all alchemists have trash skills and specialties"...

Neela is one of the best heroes in the game in the long run. Armorer even becomes stronger than offense.

Some will argue Scholar makes her not as good. Could be, but I like even that skill for flavor reasons, and it's always a nice surprise when you trade with two heroes and they learn eachother's spells.

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Anyways, it's a bit pointless to ask who is the worst hero in general, probably nobody can beat eagle eye girl, BUT the blandest most boring hero after that is Torosar. Seriously, I hate ballista, I hate ballista specialty and how every town gets one... the late game scaling is terrible (+2 atk from 10 to 12 at level 15, really?), it's also boring.

And you know what? He DOES NOT EVEN have artillery!
In fact, he is the only Ballista specialist without the skill, making him extra-bad, even amongst bad specialists.
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Gandalf196
Gandalf196


Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
posted August 02, 2022 04:50 AM

Phoenix4ever said:
I knew Gandalf would be here to rant about the Wizard class.





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heymlich
heymlich


Known Hero
posted August 02, 2022 07:36 AM

NimoStar said:
Hum, is everybody forgetting neela?



No, we are not forgetting her. The Armorer Special is quite good, but that doesn't change the fact that she is an alchemist. Any random Overlord or Ranger will do better than her.

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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


Legendary Hero
Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted August 02, 2022 07:55 AM

Not all Tower heroes are bad.
Neela, Rissa, Aine, Cyra and Solmyr are good.

Torosar is extremely stupid though, specialising in Ballista, without having Artillery. In HotA he at least always comes with a Ballista, but without Artillery it's not worth much.
I changed his starting skills, so he starts with Artillery instead of Tactics, also buffed the Ballista.

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Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted August 02, 2022 08:34 AM

Interesting good writings.. Remember race, culture, etc An example Russia has nuclear weapons, Settlers game those kingdoms, etc So the same Heroes 3.. You find some stupid techinque like Russia or maybe Settlers Amazon.. But you must know their race, culture, then you produce fast, rich, development, powerful kingdom Tower.. Ruler matter.. But Josephine has two worthless skill, because of magician appropriate.. How I can develop militaria.. I don't keep a Serena is bad, her one skill, even if Fear spell, etc So fast development Spell skills than Josephine.. Serena always lost only one good skill.. Belive me! Serena must be poor hero since AB.. Many things I can't write precisely..

Ok @@In HotA he at least always comes with a Ballista@@

Really? Then can't buy a Cannon, first he must destroy a Ballista..
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Phoenix4ever
Phoenix4ever


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Heroes is love, Heroes is life
posted August 02, 2022 08:45 AM

Ghost you keep mentioning Fear. It was in 1 obscure version of RoE that no one plays any more. Fear does not exist, only in the way of Azure Dragons, if you wanna count that.

Serena has one useless skill and specialty, her spell is not really worth anything either, she is pathetic really.

Yeah Ballista specialists became kinda obsolete in HotA thanks to the Cannon, not a good design choice HotA...

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Drakon-Deus
Drakon-Deus


Undefeatable Hero
posted August 02, 2022 12:55 PM

NimoStar said:
Hum, is everybody forgetting neela?

https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Neela

I don't mean she's bad but the oppossite, sayiung "all alchemists have trash skills and specialties"...

Neela is one of the best heroes in the game in the long run. Armorer even becomes stronger than offense.

Some will argue Scholar makes her not as good. Could be, but I like even that skill for flavor reasons, and it's always a nice surprise when you trade with two heroes and they learn eachother's spells.




Nice to see another fan of the Scholar skill.

When I play with Tower, which is not that often, I pick Neela or Aine to start with.

@Gandalf

Come to think of it, in addition to what you said about the hero class, the Wizard town in H2 was the best of the Good alignment towns and one could argue even second best in the game next to Warlock. Tower in H3 feels like a downgrade...
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DarkAtom
DarkAtom


Adventuring Hero
posted August 02, 2022 02:07 PM

Drakon-Deus said:
Tower in H3 feels like a downgrade...


It's like the devs really didn't like magic or something. Tower isn't just a magic faction, it should be the definition of a magic faction. After all, all magic-themed campaigns in HoMM are centered on the Wizard/Tower/Academy faction. And it's sad that the most popular HoMM game has the worst version of it.
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heymlich
heymlich


Known Hero
posted August 02, 2022 03:29 PM

DarkAtom said:

It's like the devs really didn't like magic or something.


When they changed to the mana system in H2, magic became a bit too strong. They tried to scale it down in H3 and overdid it.

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Gandalf196
Gandalf196


Disgraceful
Supreme Hero
posted August 02, 2022 06:07 PM

Three good comments in a row. Where am I anyway?
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Hourglass
Hourglass


Famous Hero
posted August 03, 2022 08:18 AM

About Torosar:

Maybe it's just me, but I think he is actually quite good hero, when you completely look him from the secondary hero perspective. If you get Torosar in your tavern, you can simply steal his ballista. After that, he still has few things he can offer: Tactics heroes are always useful, especially in the early game they can do certain fights better than a main hero would. It's mainly a Hota thing, but it should be said that I really appreciate the combination of Mysticism and Magic arrow too, as Mysticism kind of allows us simply to spam the arrow, and we can still have mana in the upcoming day for next fight as well.

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bloodsucker
bloodsucker


Legendary Hero
posted August 03, 2022 09:54 AM

About Piquedram:

while it's terrible to start with Tower and find him in tavern day 1/1/1, he is a decent supporting hero in HotA, where both his starting skills were buffed. He always comes with a speed 7 creature and that alone makes him one of my favorite scouting heroes.
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Ghost
Ghost


Legendary Hero
Therefore I am
posted August 03, 2022 01:37 PM

Interesting "facts", thus your experiences, but I thought to solve a problem and mystery, what I read now, this is without result

@@If you get Torosar in your tavern, you can simply steal his ballista.@@

I forgot H3C and HotA allow to "steal" warfare. You can't loan, steal or change warfares in WoG/ERA..
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